Re: The Nokia N800?
 

ouch ... now this is a really, really bad one.
there has to be a really good reason for this (such as "OS2007 doesnt fit the 770s memory" or such), otherwise i take this personal. they kick in my face.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

The N800 is different hardware - new CPU with floating point support and other features, webcam, Bluetooth 2.0 - so the new firmware isn't likely to be compatible with the 770 hardware. That doesn't mean it isn't possible to build a version of OS2007 targetted for the 770, maybe that will happen in time but I guess Nokia have been busy getting it ready for the N800.

The OMAP2420 CPU in the N800 is more power efficient than the OMAP1710 in the 770, so it may be that power consumption is roughly the same in both devices (the additional memory will draw more power, as will the camera etc.).


Opera 8.5 and Flash 7

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Nokia N800 Press Release: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1096861
Nokia N800 page: http://www.nseries.com/products/n800

"Fill it with your favourite videos and songs" Yeah sure, if you have videos in the very limited formats supported by the Nokia video player and don't mind poor framerates and tearing... :(

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Interesting accessory for the N800: http://www.europe.nokia.com/A4156071?s=800

It's a case (should provide the screen with some protection) and it has "two additional magnets allow you to attach your Nokia N800 Internet Tablet to where you want to keep it, like the refridgerator door." Riiiight!

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

A sticker he couldn't take off perhaps ? :-)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I know it's new hardware - that's what it's all about. :)

However, I also know that I can easily compile all of my Desktop OS for a new platform. - You know, the reason why I get a bit upset here is that this is exactly the one point that made me choose a (supposedly) "open" device rather than one based on proprietary SW like Microsoft's: When Microsoft says a new Zune-Firmware will not run on 1st Generation Zune-Hardware, I'll live with it because I knew from the start these things would happen.

Nokia, on the other hand, claims that their 770/N800-devices are built around free software; this would mean the community had access to all the sources and could happily build a version of the OS2007 that will run on a 770.
We always knew that Nokias Software is not free at all, we knew that they did include proprietary parts. But we never cared that much, did we? We were happy to play with the toy. - Now it's the first time that we suffer the consequences: They decided not to make OS2007 available to the early adopters, to their most faithful customers, and there's nothing we can do about it. It's closed source, in fact. They take from the community, but what they give back is just not enough.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

You don't believe Omap2420 can handle video formats better than 1710? At least it has 2d/3d graphics accelerator and imaging video accelator and higher clock speed. http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtb...contentId=4671

Maybe they have some driver problems that doesn't allow N800 to take everything out of 2420 (dunno haven't seen N800 in action:) ) but I'm sure it's better than 770 in that area.

Jaykie

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Mhm... What is it you're experiencing? I regularly watch full movies (90min or such) in fullscreen in good quality when I'm on the train with my 770; I never had reason to complain about the framerate or even tearing.

In fact, I consider the multimedia capabilities one of the 770s strengths.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Yep, the OMAP2420 has hardware video support that allows 30fps VGA video decoding, and of course it's a more powerful CPU and has floating point support. But that's of no value unless the software is there to take advantage of the hardware.

I don't have an N800 yet (on order - maybe tomorrow or Wednesday) but if the video decoder is anything like that in the 770 then pretty much every video I have will fail with "Unsupported Format" or whatever the error is. No video larger than 352x208 supported etc. Still no DivX or XVid support in the N800!

There are tons of video formats and resolutions that will cause the 770 choke, I can only hope the N800 is significantly improved, but suspect it will support the usual subset of video formats. Sure I can transcode all my DivX/XVid videos to a supported format but wouldn't it be better if the 770 and N800 weren't so picky?

Why Nokia haven't thrown their support behind Serge and the mplayer port I really don't know. :(

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

OK, so they're not *that* mad after all :-)
Official price for France as of this morning is 399€ (the "euro tax" :-), which is only 40€ more than the 770 a year ago. Even less actually, because at the time shipping was extra, but now it's included. So not too bad...

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Hi,

i up-to-date ordered the N800 - make me happy - Supply latest Wednesday this week - I hoppe, "Internet Tablet OS 2007 edition", Flash 7, the new CPU Power, more RAM and 256 MByte Flash-Storage an improvement :)

Fidibus

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I ordered mine, too! And my wife's birthday will be tomorrow, perhaps I will have success in figuring she out that's her new toy... Hmmm, that one will be rather hard :D

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

EDITED:
This post refers to a press release that was obviously wrong; the N800 is available through Nokia Online Shops for Europe now, too, and it's € 399 including taxes. I keep it here in small print because someone quotes it below. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by fpp (Post 28086) OK, so they're not *that* mad after all :-) Official price for France as of this morning is 399€ (the "euro tax" :-), which is only 40€ more than the 770 a year ago. Even less actually, because at the time shipping was extra, but now it's included. So not too bad...

A german language press release stated "€ 399 without taxes", which could mean up to €479 including tax depending on where you live/buy. :mad:

I bought my 770 for € 249 (=USD 295 back then) in March 2006. - The package included a D-Link wireless router.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

:D That's by far the best comment in this thread ... Tell us if it worked and, if it did, how you managed it. I see some very, very exciting possibilities on the horizon :)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

399€ for Germany (i think everywhere in europe)

just ordered one :D

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Don't worry idangazit, solid.gold.code will be sure to continue development for the 770 for as long as there is at least 1 770 left in existence. Mark my words. :D

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Let me predict the future:

January 2008 Nokia will announce new internet tablet, model N900. It will feature minor hardware upgrades, hw keyboard, 3d support, two cameras and OS2008. Software developed for N900 won't be fully compatible with previous models and OS2008 will not run in 770 or N800. Software developers will be pribed to new device by offering it to them at 1/4 of the normal retail price in order to ensure their intrest solely to new hardware version.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Good one, but even then there will be continued development for previous Internet Tablets, because some of us still think there's still some more tricks left in the 770 bag that have yet to be performed. And the N800 will no doubt be just as magical. :D

Re: The Nokia N800? usb port powered?
 

can anybody tell me if the usb port on the N800 is this time a powered one

looking forward to get one

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

If you are right with your prognosis, the processor for N900 is already available: OMAP3430

N800 +/- rocker button?
 

Are the buttons on the top site of the N800 user configurable in Opera? With OS2005, I was able to edit an INI file in order to change the functionality of the +/- rocker button on the top side of the 770 from zoom in/out to page up/down in Opera but this "feature" was disabled in OS2006. Does the N800 and OS2007 re-introduce this ability?

Thanks in advance.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

You know, that accessory mentioned in post #124 and the two magnets/refrigerator door >> I would, actually, stick it to the fridge door as I often use my 770 to find new recipes to try out/destroy in the kitchen! :)

Ok, I guess I again revealed how horribly low tech I am.. and for that I am also happy to see on Maemo that N800 app downloads are supposed to be "single click/button" -easy. Hooray! :)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

They had better be neodymium super strong magnets otherwise I have visions of myself absently mindedly slamming the fridge door after removing a bottle of milk, totally forgetting I've attached with magnets a fairly weighty and expensive chunk of electronics and glass which, while suspended in mid air, gives up the battle against gravity and subsequently slams into the kitchen floor from a height of about 5.5 feet... :(

Perhaps it can claimed as a warranty repair considering Nokia recommended it? :)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Anyone know if the N800 is available anywhere in Southern California, preferably near San Diego? The two CompUSA stores I visited yesterday here in San Diego didn't have them, didn't know when they'd have them.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Not really, it would be more like installing Vista on a machine that shipped with XP SP2, i.e. Suboptimal, but it works and is often worthwhile.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Milhouse, excellent point.. luckily the side of my fridge is also exposed so I won't have to put in on the door exactly. :)

Ah the dilemmas of the moder consumer: whether to buy N800, or one or two N75s for my wife and I, or wait for the N95... Too many, too difficult choises > obvious, inevitable conclusion > have to buy them all.. :D

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

when will it be available to the masses? CompUSA doesnt have it on their site, or in the two stores i went to yesterday. the press release is out, when is the official launch date?

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Got mine in Fountain Valley (Orange County) CA, Saturday night. So they're out there.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

No. Despite the short time span, there is a "generation's" difference between the two devices. Far too many changes for 100% backward compatibility, suboptimal or otherwise.

I find it ironic that some people who asked for more power are now complaining about the unexpected consequences. ;)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

We have a faster CPU, of the same architecture, more RAM, a webcam, BT 2.0 and 2 full-size SD/MMC slots.

While this is great, I will be buying an N800, the upgrade is to my eyes incremental, apart from the webcam, the changes are those that were expected in a revised 770 (which is what the N800 is).

I understand that the two devices would represent different build targets for the OS, but I see nothing that would prevent the 2007 OS from being relatively easily backported to the 770.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Looks like those involved with its development did...

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

That's not what I'm hearing...

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I know the Skype cooperation (just also announced in Kallasvuo's webcast) is evil for some purists, but to me that's exiting news. Let's face it, no one uses Google Talk for now, and having the webcam and not being able to use it would be silly - from a marketing, sales, and everyday usability point of view, that is. Same goes for the announced Rhapsody coop.

Nokia IS aiming to make this a consumer product this time, not just a developer produt. Perhaps its too early, I don't know. But that's where its going, it seems to me.

And WiMax next year (i.e. new tablet next year, right?).

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I've tested the webcam with Google Talk-- no go for now. Google Talk needs the Festoon plugin for video functionality and the tablet software can't seem to deal with that, and vice versa. :(

??? then why the info on maemo?

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

I don't know. There's nothing definitive on maemo.org which says a version of OS 2007 will never be released for 2006, not even on the compatibility page:

http://www.maemo.org/downloads/maemo...atibility.html

Is it internal or external information which makes you believe otherwise?

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

... except, of course, the fact that marketing people might think they could sell more N800s if they break compatibility intentionally and thereby force consumers to get the new hardware sooner.

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that this is the only reason. You see, there's this Nokia executive, and his tech people tell him:
"We can make the OS2007 available for the 770. It will take some extra time and effort for the original N800-codebase to separate things a bit, clean up the mess. And of course the team will then need xy weeks to do the backporting and testing. We estimate costs of EUR xy for the whole project and a delay of xy days for the N800."

Then this Nokia-guy asks:
"Sounds expensive. What if we don't do all that?"

The techs:
"That would be really bad, software development would focus on the new OS2007 pretty soon and leave our existing 770-users without 3rd party updates sooner or later. They'd probably have to buy a N800, then."

Now the Nokia executive understands:
"Now, you tell me plan A is to invest money and sell less N800s. Plan B is to have the new OS2007 available sooner, not invest any extra money and make more people buy the N800. - Well, this is a tough decision. Let me think about it for a moment..."

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Hang on-- it's everyone else making the absolute claim. *I* said everyone was jumping too fast, and just made general comments about the issue. I apologize if my comments led anyone to think I knew for sure it was completely incompatible-- I just answered comments stating it was as if they knew what they were talking about.

So someone else tell me: what definitvely says there will never be a 2007 OS for the 770? Is that just an assumption? Because I don't have any further info on that particular subject.

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

so where can I get this wallet/case for the n800 (the one with the refrigerator magnets) I see it listed the europe.nokia.com site but I can't find it on the US site, any ideas on where to pick this up?

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

Mhm... The site does't say much about the case, does it? Could it be they're selling a replacement for the metal cover separately now? I'd be interested in the material and design of the thing. The picture doesn't show much... it looks more like a rectangular piece of leather to fit the screen than a case.

If anyone gets one of these, I'd be interested in pictures. :)

Re: The Nokia N800?
 

It's out. No OS2007 to 770.

They expect applications to be made available for both - and just how they think they can force 3rd party developers to do that? Or are they going to do it at Nokia? I think now is the time warn anyone thinking of buying N800 - prepare to buy new one next year!