Re: Returning my N900
 

I am well aware of the other Maemo Powered tablets - Like I said I DID MY RESEARCH.

I even ran Mer in a VB before I purchased the N900 from the Nokia Store.

The point of @guber99 NOT doing his research before purchasing the phone was proven WAY before me and you stayed this little sub-thread - Nokia didn't say this phone supports Microsoft Exchange Email and Calender Sync - For Christ's Sake it is a Linux Powered Device!!!!

That is like buying an Apple Powerbook and then getting mad when it doesn't run windows apps.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Nokia is simply compling with the European directive for microUSB charger. I can change a tip on a multi charger and achieve the same. I think you will find the same issue occurs with newer Blackberry devices too.

Re: Returning my N900
 

I was at my brother's house and my N900 died . . . lucky his Boost Mobile Motorola uses the same charge!!!!

I wish that it was the STANDARD mini USB but I guess the microUSB will become more wide spread in the future.:rolleyes:

Re: Returning my N900
 

Sorry to burst your bubble but you are not entirely correct on this one. I spent literally about 5 minutes with Wikipedia checking this and found the answer before the N900 was even released. Nokia also answered my email the same day. As both the web and email seem to be standard tools on the internet I am puzzled as to how you failed to find a simple solution.

Re: Returning my N900
 

You're still missing the point, mrebanza.

It's a lot more complicated than enabling application catalogs, installing rootsh, making sure apps are optified, and ultimately does it fit into your lifestyle.

Guber99, albeit rather annoyingly; has a true issue with provisioning and MS Exchange. Provisioning needs to have some combination, in most deployments, to allow a device to synchronize to that company's MS Exchange mail server. If you're not the MS Exchange admin, it's highly doubtful that the company will change their policies for one device. Especially when other devices exist that will work "out of the box".

There's no setting, there's no command line, there's not a patch; there's not a hack, there's not... much of anything at this very moment to support that. To go along with that potentially frustrating situation; there's zero documentation before he purchased it - or after for that matter outside of these forums and his own findings - that support the fact that the N900 doesn't support certain provisioning types/limits/criteria, if at all (well, that's been stated in this thread or another at least a couple of times though).

Simply put, even if he had done his homework; he would still be stuck with a phone that does not support his work e-mail.

I'm glossing over a lot, ignoring some complaints (ok, a lot of the complaints) and yet that's the core of his situation.

Human Penguin is another user here that's having a problem with getting his USB connector fixed. Nokia policies say one thing, Vodafone UK is refusing to touch the thing... and he's had at least two or three different statements and he's in limbo not sure if his phone will be fixed or not; and that comes after the fact that it's been unofficially stated that the problem has been addressed. Apparently from the initial 300 that went out to a few of the first batch of N900's that were considered "production", the problem persists. To what extent... nobody from Nokia has established that yet.

That's yet another situation where doing your research would have led you to believe something other than what people are dealing with. In this case, "it was solved"... apparently it wasn't. It's not resolved, the statement(s) that Nokia will or will not fix it, consider it a manufacturing problem... that's up in the air.

The final thing... for me at least, is that despite doing research; there is no definitive answer for whether or not the N900 will receive Maemo 6 on it, in a full form, or not. That also means that Skype and other third party apps - much like they were left on the N810 - might get one, perhaps two upgrades before the Maemo 6 device debuts later this year.

That part... if you're doing your research; will not be resolved. Those things; and many more are important to people making a decision. And there's no clear answer(s), no clear way to get those things answered other than patience.

And that's what I've decided to do. I'll not budge until I have each and every answer to my concerns answered. Not a moment before.

The whole "go somewhere else" mentality has got to go... you, or myself, do not control, own, nor dictate who stays, goes, or whatever should happen whilst here. Instead, we can get upset about petty stuff - I allowed myself a rant earlier - or we can remain civil, try to actually add to the community, document those grievances, when their answered, add them to the wiki. If it's a good idea, create a Brainstorm. And if it's a grievance, stop acting like it's the end of the damn world - by the person complaining and the people complaining about the complaining.

I still do not have my proof that some documentation around certain grievances just don't exist nor are they addressed fully. And screaming, yelling, calling people trolls... doesn't solve a thing either.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Maybe the US market being non-standard and of less interest than the rest of the world has something to do with it? Funnily enough the whole world doesn't revolve around the USA!

Re: Returning my N900
 

Bootcamp, VMWare Fusion and Parallels all facilitate that. I'd pick a better analogy.

Re: Returning my N900
 

How did I know you were going to say that? :D

Re: Returning my N900
 

You lost this and several other arguements the other day on here but continue to repost the same rubbish claiming that you aren't ranting. Maybe Nokia don't want to be big in the USA due to people such as yourself.

Re: Returning my N900
 

So does that mean that you can't read MS Exchange e-mail even on a Linux Desktop Computer????

Re: Returning my N900
 

You are kidding right? When I am in the middle of something e.g. carrying my baby who I am pampering to sleep and my phone rings I want to know e.g. if it is my wife calling me or my mum calling me from abroad or if it is a friend who I can always call back later. I don't each time want to have to disturb my baby just because the N900 doesn't tell me who is calling (either by ringtone or by saying the name of the caller). This is just an example. There was another example I think on this site giving by someone who works in the emergency services.

Apart from that it simply makes the phone more interesting just like adding your own background makes it more interesting. Having four different images of my son on my desktops is something I particularly love about this device. I hate Apple and could never by an Apple product again (I forced myself to have an ipod touch because Zune HD wasn't coming to Europe but could not live with myself anymore and had to sell it after 3 months). One thing I hated about the ipod touch was the inability to customize my own device. If I did not hate Apple I would not buy an ipod due to this lack of customization.

I can't remember now but I think I knew about this ringtone thing when I bought the N900. However, coming to this forums and hearing about how the device was hackable and completely open I was under the impression this problem would be fixed if not by Nokia or by developers. If I heard that it could never be fixed then I don't think I would even have gone for the N900.

Re: Returning my N900
 

After reading through the seemingly endless rants and flame wars, I think everyone needs to take a step back. First off, to set the stage, I have the N900, I love my N900, I did my research as best I could before buying it, but was still surprised by how unfinished it was. Thankfully, with the help of the good people on this forum, I was able to get the phone to my minimum requirements, and I am hopeful that future changes will make it all it can be.

It used to be choosing a phone was fairly straight forward, there were not that many things to consider, but those days are long gone now. While doing my homework there was very little information out there. Here in the US, unless you live in NY or Chicago, there was no way to see, touch, and play with the N900, so you had to make a leap of faith at some point. For me, that worked out but my hard requirements are not that demanding. We all need to make a list of what we really care about and then prioritize them, and the N900 is not the right choice for a lot of people. For those who feel it is sacrilegious to talk about the IPhone, please chill. The IPhone is a great device and for a large group of people, like my wife, it is the best option. I have several friends that have the IPhone and I truly believe it would be a mistake for them to switch to the N900.

The key points that pushed me to the N900 were:
1. I wanted an open and unlocked phone (Not an option in the US with the IPhone)
2. The Android platform requires you to accept the cloud concept and I can’t.
3. I refuse to sign another two year contract with ATT and the N900 works great on the TMobile network without a contract
4. I wanted a great browser. My last phone was a Blackberry and the browser was dreadful, the Iphone is better, but can’t hold a candle to the N900

The above list is unique to me so I would not suggest it applies to anyone else, but the point is everyone needs to assess what matters to them. Also for me, I don’t use Exchange, I don’t listen to music, I like to play with features like assigning ring tones but most are not critical “must haves” to me.

For those outside of the US that claim we Americans think the world revolves around us, certainly there are some ugly Americans that feel that way but don’t think for one minute that Nokia is not concerned about the success of the IPhone. For all those that slam the App Store, do you really think Nokia would complain if OVI could start generating buzz and cash flow like the App Store? Nokia, Apple, Google, etc. are all businesses and they need to make money to survive and grow. I suspect that many on this forum have deep Linux roots, and while I run Linux on my desktop and love Linux, and truly appreciate all the hard work that went into Linux, that is not a business. When I have trouble with Linux I can’t really get mad at anyone, because I did not pay for it. I understand it for what it is, roll up my sleeves and try to find a fix. With Maemo we have the intersection of two worlds and that is causing some turbulence. The “community” at Maemo.org is fantastic and I think it is unfair for this community to be taking the hits for the short comings on the N900. I did not spend money with the community, I spent money with Nokia, and when one spends money, there is a reasonable expectation that one will get what one paid for. That said, I don’t regret spending my money because I still believe that most of these issues will be addressed with future releases and updates, but for those that want a polished device that just works, with lots of apps, great support (For those in the US, Nokia has virtually no presence in the US, not a judgment, just a statement of fact), then maybe the N900 is not the right choice for you. It is really great that we have choices, competition drives everyone to reach higher and there will never be one device that is perfect for everyone.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Its the most competitive market that Nokia wants back. You dont know how lonely I am with Nokia smartphones.........

Re: Returning my N900
 

You truly dont know what you are talking about

Re: Returning my N900
 

Well, the first signs that the N900 is a non-provisioning device actually appeared in these forums in early September, before the N900 was available for sale or even loaned out at the Summit. As "provisioning" was not mentioned by name in that thread though, the information may have been difficult to locate.

Re: Returning my N900
 

You can, via Evolution, easily.

It's possible, just not yet on the N900.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Ah, I remember that thread. But the lack of official documentation is a problem.

But thanks for pointing out earlier evidence that it might not support it directly. I've been waging a slight war with people in telling them of the problems they might have; and the documentation that supports it other than linking to the rants.

Re: Returning my N900
 

I hate seeing such threads in 'Active Topics' every time I log on to maemo.org.

Anyone who replies after this post is a Guber!

Re: Returning my N900
 

what's a guber?

Re: Returning my N900
 

Re: Returning my N900
 

*lifts Guber rule for one second*

Well in Hindi it means cow crap..but here it refers to Guber99: an agent of Apple company intent upon turning this largely productive community forum into a site for flame wars.....

Re: Returning my N900
 

Some N900 users are a kick :)

Reasons to return the N900 if you are more a smartphone user and less tech.

1. Laggy more than it should be (pressing icons and nothing happens or a delay)
2. Weak 2G radio (unless the three I had were all defective)
3. Minimal apps available and not looking much better (in regards to commercial apps)
4. To get the most out of the device you need to be more tech oriented- this device is not for consumers that just want apps and a smartphone.
5. Very weak portrait integration that will likely not get much better
6. Lack of picture mms that more people use than email attachments on smartphones
7. Weak map integration

And all of this is coming from a rube like me who LOVES the N900 due to its media ability and handy as a Mini-Me netbook. Still, I use my G1 as a smartphone and the N900 as everything else.

BTW, I hope I am wrong as heck about the long-term app status, portrait mode, mms picture, etc, but the longer this stuff takes to happen, the less likely it will. Maemo 6 and new devices are on the horizon.

Re: Returning my N900
 

I'm having some difficulty finding anything about Evolution and Exchange Provisioning..

Plus.. your statement is slightly inaccurate and skewed anyway..

there are people using their N900 to check Exchange and/or work email... it's specifically the provisioning portion that doesn't work.. which in my extremely limited understanding of provision thats because it wants control of a device with which you have root access too. I find it hard to believe an Exchange Server can wipe your Linux Desktop....

Also.. while searching around for addition provisioning information I came across this... At launch.. the Droid didn't support certain exchange protocols either.

Not sure if they've been fixed or not.. don't care enough... point is: N900 isn't the only device that has problems 4 months after it's released..

Seriously.. people keep treating bugs as if they're the end of the world.. be realistic. Nothing's perfect.

Re: Returning my N900
 

*Cough* Excuse me! *Cough*

Re: Returning my N900
 

Ooops... Forgive me Madam.

Adjusted statement:

Be realistic... nothing (except RevdKathy) is perfect :D.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Wait, wait... wait. I'm just making a point that provisioning is still not an answered item that lead one member to complain a lot... it's not my problem at all.

The whole "do your research" crowd need to realize that not all points around this phone and connectivity are well-documented.

Evolution, I use that on my second laptop while at the office I consult for. They use MS Exchange 2003, and it ties into their network without a hitch.

And I've already talked about how Android didn't even have MS Exchange support when the G1 first came out, it was a $30 app you had to pay for at first.

The lack of a feature... that's not a bug, the lack of support is closer to the truth there. But where would one find that documented? So far, I've yet to see one direct link to where that's answered. And that's what is lacking. So if a person were to do extensive research - such as I've attempted to do - they will have more than a few questions left unanswered... and for those reasons, I'm holding off my purchase.

And I've never stated that the N900 was the only device with problems either. I had to suffer for almost 18 months before the iPhone got "stable" enough to do half the stuff I'd expect a phone to do as "advertised".

Re: Returning my N900
 

Except for your teddy bear. :p

Re: Returning my N900
 

You already saw this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...109#post526109

If they had done their research... then yes - back in September, they would have found out that it was not supported properly.

They obviously did enough research to find this forum after it broke or didn't work... why couldn't they have done so before they dropped $500-$600 on a brand new, first generation (with this OS), cell phone?

I don't usually disagree with you Gerbick, as for the most part you're sane, clear, logical, and present your complaints/comments/input in a very calm and efficient manner.

The only thing is lately you seem to be hell-bent on defending people that... well.. you really shouldn't be wasting your time defending. It's not that they complain.. it's how.. and even you yourself realize how ridiculous it gets.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Please read that linked post again. In fact, the word "provisioning" is not in that post. That post is not official documentation from Nokia. I get what you're saying; however you're not getting what I'm saying.

Simply put, please link me to the official documentation from Nokia that would have answered a question from a MS Exchange user/admin point of view.

THAT doesn't exist. That's my point. If it existed, one link and all of that guber99 ranting would have been proven moot.

It does not exist. Therefore, research would have been inconclusive.

Without clear documentation, assumptions via the PR verbiage can prove to be rather misleading.

I don't mind discussing with people where we might disagree. That happens. But thanks for considering me sane... at least one of us thinks so.

Nope. I'm not defending those people. I actually do get where they're coming from... sure as hell wished they would present their grievances in a much better way - not in multiple threads, not all over the site, not inciting riots. Grievances, especially in this community, could enhance Maemo 5.

Instead, on one hand you got a few disgruntled folks that... well, didn't get answers as deeply as they should have before investing into the N900. Then you have others that know... they're in it for the long haul. Things that aren't here today, might be there tomorrow either via upgrade, update or community.

In the middle, it seems I'm there. I see both sides, and trying to figure out why in the heck am I one of the few that's in the middle. Able to see both sides, want the rational people to take the time to see both sides instead of "**** YOU MAN, YOU'RE A NOKIA APOLOGIST!!" or "**** YOU MAN! YOU'RE A DAMN N00B!" - and ultimately nothing gets solved.

And honestly? I shouldn't have to work this hard to get some answers from Nokia. Will they support the N900 after Maemo 6 come out? Will commercial apps continue to get updated or dropped like the N810 was? Does it support Exchange 2003 - that was actually answered fully with PR1.1, but that came in January for a product launched earlier, so I had to wait.

I mean, via Nokia... if I contact them I get PR verbiage. I come here, I get fan verbiage. And ultimately... I just want cold, hard facts. And instead of research, I'm... doing something deeper when all that's needed... Nokia just needs to beef up their own documentation to answer more questions instead of just trying to sell me something and never answer anything.

Do I find the constant whiners ridiculous? Hell yes.

But I also find that Nokia's lack of definitive communication in a few areas that would cause some people to second-guess a purchase also somewhat ridiculous. It could stop a whole bunch of whining.

And for people like me... it just stalled my potential purchase. I'd rather err on the side of caution - something I do not share with the guber99's, et al. I did my research, found some gaps, didn't pull the trigger.

I get what you're saying; however I request kindly that you see that I'm trying to improve the communication from Nokia to those that... well, need a helping hand in those areas. I'm not one of those folks; nor do I think you are. But some people... need extra it seems and it's not there.

Sorry for the long *** response. Just making myself clear. I'm defending nobody, just want the damn community to stop attacking each other, see the potential faults, make it all better. That's all.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Should I check the gearbox oil / transmission fluid when I go to buy a brand new car??? Or should I 'google' whether the dealers sell it with the oil???

Re: Returning my N900
 

I dunno about you.. but I always do a thorough check of any vehicle I purchase.. new or used. I even take it for a test drive to make sure the thing actually runs before dropping 20k+ on a new car..

but hey.. that's just me.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Runs? I have do take a test drive to make sure I can reach the pedals. :p

Re: Returning my N900
 

Should you even be driving?

Re: Returning my N900
 

The rest of your post I agree with.. I do think Nokia should be a little open about their plans for the future and be more responsive about some of the things we ask.

On the one hand: Nokia is one of the most open companies regarding their devices.. we actually know about M6 and have *some* information about how it's going to be built.. etc. Apple wouldn't tell anybody anything till it was time for release in my understanding.

OTOH: this *little* bit of openness from Nokia generates tons of questions.. and it's then that Nokia just shuts up and says nothing. That gets annoying.

However, regarding your direct quote, this is the link used by Guber and others about the whole provisioning mess:
Check

Your argument is double-edged... right there is a page specifically about exchange and checking work email - and specifically - the N900 is not there!. So I, personally, would demand a link to an official Nokia document that explains that provision is supported.. since there *is* a page about Mail For Exchange on Nokia.com... and it doesn't list the N900 as supported.

Re: Returning my N900
 

You'd be a fool if you did not check the fluids, test drive the car, as well as do your research.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Gotta somewhat disagree here... one question remains unanswered. Will Maemo 6 be on the N900. They've been coy thus far - and honestly, I understand why; but at the same time they've not answered that question.

Agree. But at the same time, they've supported their three phones with full OS updates with some minor feature forks. And in some cases - original iPhone especially - they've announced with each new iteration of their OS that it will work on the prior iterations of their phone.

That's a slight difference than the reticence around the N900 and Maemo 6.

Agree. The openness is expected though due to the nature of Maemo. iPhoneOS is closed like... no other. Maemo, open like no other. So you'd expect the commentary to be as open... and it's not. We talk as a community, wait for the crumbs from Nokia.

And that's the part where common sense should have kicked in and a different decision would have been made. I don't see my phone there, I'd automatically assume it doesn't support it.

Thanks for that link. It's been buried under the many threads, too many try to remember by now.

Quoted for agreement & truth.

Re: Returning my N900
 

In my opinion.. this is no longer a question.. I don't understand why people keep hoping for it.

Check here, here, here and here.

When a VP actually says something... It'd be quite surprising to find out he was full of sh**.

So to me.. yes, they've answered that question - although no where near as publicly as they should have.

Also, This post from Quim is very good information and shows exactly where it may be likely that the N900 get's it's future.. and thats with the officially supported QT 4.6 libraries running atop M5.

That is still the question mark: What are they going to do to make M5 viable, once M6 hits the shelves? And for that.. Quim said wait till Harmattan is released.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Thanks for this link......if you really expected that people would have read this buried thread......but what I love are his comments:

The sample I have only allows a numeric password to be set - My sysadmin is enforcing a alphanumeric password...

Had the same issue on most s60 nSeries devices other than eSeries & n97...

[FONT="Arial Black"]Hope they rectify this before launch or there will be a lot of angry customers who are looking to use this device for business purposes and cannot.[/FONT]

Re: Returning my N900
 

And if you read the rest of the thread.....the crowd is confused if he is right or not and they all end with a note that if this is not fixed BY THE TIME OF RELEASE....."there will be a lot of angry customers who are looking to use this device for business purposes and cannot"

Re: Returning my N900
 

From my standpoint... I can't support another device that will be left behind too quickly when it's billed as a pocket computer, which implies OS upgrades too.