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Ok I understand if you iTunes but what I want to use something else with other cellphone manufacturers they offer there own desktop suite doesn't mean you need to use example Blackberries Blackberry Desktop suite and Sony Ericsson has Media Go but you don't have to use them! You can just drap and drop files on a Blackberry or Sony Ericsson you just put everything in the right directories. Actually there are many iPhone themes that you can get but your device must be jailbroken hell even my PSP or PS3 lets me change the theme without hacking. Well I'm not an iPhone developer but I don't need to be one to criticize there policies many who aren't iPhone developers has criticized Apple developer policies. As for Ovi Store Nokia has there own set of problems. iPhone os 4 multitasking is limited freezing and savestating apps in the background. It isn't full multitasking. See what I'm getting at here. Also I'm not Nokia fanboy I'm just saying what is true.

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You sound like they impose DRM for the sake of DRM.

Are you kidding me ? Use a little common sense.

They impose DRM not to piss off the users or for principles, its becuase it makes the platform a selling point for the PRODUCERS of the DRMed content, whether that be an APP or any other media content.

And judging by the range of apps and content available on the iPhone platform, I would say they have succeeded extraordinarily well.

Put down the bong pipe of "principles" and come back to the real world and FOLLOW THE MONEY. They do it because they want the content to sell for $$$, not because of some meglomaniac decison by Jobs or Hollywood. Remember before digital tech became widespread there WAS no super restrictive DRM. DRM arose in response to digital copying tech becoming available.

If you have to blame anyone its the content PRODUCERs for the platform, not the platform itself.

Note this is a separate issue from whether DRM works or is counterproductive and pisses off users. Remember that DRM COSTS money to implement and maintain, and if content producers can MAKE MORE money without DRM (i.e. DRM costs more to implement then it brings in), well why would they keep DRM ? its an extra drain on profits.

Companies are out to MAKE MONEY, any other consideration is irrelevant, I find discussions of "princples" or assertions of meglomaniac CEOs hilarious.

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Kinda pathetic how it took Apple 4 generations of the os to get f**cking wallpapers. Seriously that is kinda pathetic.

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If you have issues with iTunes then the iPhone is not for you. Jobs is never going to change that. The iPhone has clearly stated its market yet a lot of folk from different markets keep dog piling on it.

It's like saying the Kin is a terrible phone compared to the n900. The iPhone is a mass market phone and most people use iTunes and would rather not drag and drop. Why? Using iTunes is probably the easiest/simplest way to transfer music.


As for multitasking, iPhone user complained music streaming services (like Pandora) and IMs didn't work in the background. Now they do. That is what iPhone users wanted and that is what they got.

On another note, while I love multitasking on the n900 sometimes it makes the n900 hard to use. Doing something else while updating software is a pain in the butt. You might as well be patient and let it finish.

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This is bs. Jalilbreaking an iPhone takes less than 2 minutes and has about the same amount of risk to flashing an N900. You can restore the original firmware for warranty purposes and even if it's bricked, you can toss it back to Apple for a one-to-one replacement with a brand new unit (within its warranty period).

As for legality, tell me that 100% of content on your current machines are legal. Or if soft & unenforced 'legal boundaries' such as what we're talking about here have stopped you a second or made you care in the past :D

@Nosa101: IMs work in the background now? I thought they still use push notification like before.

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bollocks. File managers are the easiest way to transfer files.

I got an iPod shuffle as a gift, and after dropping a few songs on it wanted to try it out -- only to discover simply copying the files didn't work. Took me 15 minutes of browsing to discover a tiny console application that is capable of generating the database; copied it onto the device and ever since I have had no problems. iTunes... : pukes:

Had an idiot boss a few years back, who would open a word doc in Word and save it to another location from the file menu in order to create a copy. Many people are still like that, have no basic computer literacy, hence statements as the above quoted...

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I agree that file managers are the simplest way to transfer files (to PMP).. but I'd argue that iTunes (or other comparable media managers) are the simplest way to sync and manage your media library.

Of course if you don't need the extra functionalities that they offer then might as well stick with file managers. Many regular users seem to outgrow the file managers though.

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Yeah. You get notified when someone replies you and you are on a different app. Switching to another app also doesn't log you off like before

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You plug you ipod in and it syncs with your music on itunes. Simples

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If I'm not mistaken IM clients still work similar to how they are on OS3.x. When you minimize the app, you get updates through push notification and the IM app doesn't maintain continuous connection to the server. When you switch back to the IM app, then it'll reestablish connection and download all the updates that you've missed.

There'll be speed increase when switching in/out of IM apps due to them not needing to be initialized everytime you run them, but there'll still be a pause as it reconnects to the server-side daemons and downloads all the missed messages.

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What a Yanker

" would be pissed with England for involving us in WW2"........pearl harbour...................................and no its not just a film

"Everyone here uses Microsoft. A few users use linux" - does not compute....logic error

" How could it be perfect?".......you obv dont own one.

"With Apple everything seems perfect which bugs me"........hmm my iphone is perfect, *hasnt* crashed *once* in 6 months, Im paying £35 a month on vodafone for N900 and Ive mad 2 calls and 20 minutes surfing.........sums it up

"The only thing the N900 is really better (apart the obvious stuff like camera and browsing) is the liberty".....................did I miss something ????....has nokia opened up its closed binaries ????, what liberty do you speak of ???,

is it the liberty

1) NOT to see your contacts in BMW iDrive over Bluetooth
2) The liberty for the phone to jumble up numbers if you type a phone number too quickly
3) The liberty NOT to activesync
4) The liberty to crash regulary
5) The liberty to get 3rd rate "apps"
6) The liberty to get dumped by Nokia
7) The liberty for your USB port to fall off

what liberties do you speak off wise one ?

PS safari ease of use pwns firefox on N900, really quick and simple to use, N900 web browsing is like cleaning your b*lls with sandpaper....very, very painful, its the lack of multi touch that really kills it imho, and personally flash should be binned, who in their right minds wants that bloated buggy crap.

A post like this comparing the n900 to the iphone is utterly pointless, there *IS* no comparison. I bought my n900 in december, and was so dissapointed I went and got an iPhone in Jan, and haven't looked back.

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Actually, I think it will be VOIP stuff that work the way I described.

http://gizmodo.com/5512656/iphone-mu...simultaneously

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I do understand that the iPhone is mass marketed but is it that difficult for Apple to make iTunes just an option. Seriously. As for multitasking it is probably easier on the Nokia n900 than iPhone in my opinion.

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I can use the N900 as a hammer.

The iPhone can't.

I accidentally dropped my N900 on my foot today and 30 minutes later my toe still hurts like a b***h.

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Your typical Nokia Fanboy can your device do that huh, huh, huh! I didn't think so even if the feature is completely worthless at least my device can do it can yours do it. No! My device can do everything even if don't use those features even once my device is still better than yours (yelling)! Typical iPhone fanboy man my iPhone is so perfect everything from Apple is perfect. My iPhone does everything I want it to there is an app and game for everything. I love to constantly annoy my friends by showing off every time I get a new app. So what my iPhone doesn't have features found in a phone from 2003 it is still better somehow.

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Freedom to hack. If you had to ask, there is no answer that will satisfy you, because you're not a hacker.

If Maemo is not right for you, and you are no longer using it, why waste your time posting here?

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There is so much hardcore pro-DRM shilling in this post it isn't even funny.

Yes, they do. By enforcing DRM they keep you in your little sandbox and retain ownership over your property. What, you thought you -bought- and -owned- that iPhone? No, it still belongs to Apple.

Common sense would dictate that if I pay money for something, it's mine. Copyright law defies common sense however, and requires thought. Unfortunately, the end result is that the copyright holders want to own the idea forever and charge you for all uses.

Yes, because Apple is selling -you- to -them-. Or perhaps there's a fundamental flaw with this equation where they're mistaking who the customer is?

That has everything to do with the size of the audience, and nothing to do with DRM.

Jesus christ you just made me lose even more faith in humanity. Do you regularly screw people over for the sake of making money? Oh right, being fair with people and not treating your customers like the enemy to be imprisoned is "toking on the bong pipe like a dirty goddamn hippie" and the world is all about ****ing over the other guy to get yours. Right, duly noted.

If you hadn't noticed, Hollywood is (indeed, most of the content industries are) filled with megalomaniacs who would love for you to -never- permanently own something and be forced into a perpetual state of renting. They'll screw you over in a flash if it served them, and from all indications they do.

The MPAA **** bricks in front of congress when the video cassette was unveiled, with Jack Valenti making his infamous comparison of it to Jack the Ripper. Macrovision was quickly introduced, ****ing up VHS copies of movies the world over.

The platform aids and abets abusive producers.

Because they want their little fantasy world. And Apple's DRM is just strong enough to keep people bottled up but not enough to stop people from Jailbreaking, which fools people into thinking there's nothing wrong with it.

Megalomania and sociopathy are often defining traits of CEOs. Principles and something resembling morals (or at least empathy) are important, less you end up acting like the ****ers who ran Enron.

Care to attack me more for criticizing DRM and those who support it?

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Unless you are proficient in C/C++ and are compiling from source writing apps then well done, if on the other hand you are only pissing around in terminal editing scripts then your l33t hacking skills = fail

which one are you ?

If it was a stable platform then yes, but i cba faffing about just to get basic things to work, on my linux desktop/notebook yes, but not my phone.

PS where is the freedom in Nokias closed binaries ????

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Are you suggesting that having the freedom, but not using it, is stupid and instead he should opt for no freedom at all?

If you hadn't noticed, that's a huge bone of contention with the people in this community.

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this word freedom gets banded about alot here......

So can we get this straight the n900 is NOT a fully open source phone ???, and thus where is the real freedom ????

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No, my point is with regards to a device like the iPhone, which is locked down and has functionality that is limited by Apple out of the box, versus the N900 which imposes no such restrictions.

You've already given up and run from the least restrictive to the most restrictive, so I'm a little confused as to your point. If you think that's fine, so be it, but don't get on our case for disagreeing with you.

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Not sure why it should matter -- I didn't claim "l33t hacking skills". I refer to a mindset which you don't seem to share (as further evidenced by your confusion here).

And considering that your Apple media-consumption appliances don't permit "pissing around in terminal editing scripts", even that much would be a "liberty" they lack.


The closed applications? There's freedom to ignore or replace them, anyway. I have a hard time being bothered by them

The closed platform components? Yeah, that is a problem. But I'd rather have some freedom than no freedom.

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sand paper balls LOL thats hilarious. help me uderstand. is it the lack of multi touch that makes gives it the sand paper sensation? and if so, please explain. i thought multi touch for internet was basically just pinch to zoom type stuff. is the absence of pinch to zoom really that serious?

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I don't get why we need mulitouch either. I find it unnecessary unless you want to type on a touchscreen (who really wants to type on a touchscreen a physical keyboard is much better really I prefer the feel of real buttons) or you want to zoom but tap to zoom works pretty well on the Nokia n900 and so does the swirl gesture. So do we really need multitouch it doesn't actually make browsing better contrary to what Apple fanboys say.

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I've found [double tap to zoom in\out] to work better on pocketables and pinch to zoom works great on larger slates (iPad). The pinch-to-zoom implementation on iPad is different than iPhone.

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The gradation of the area zoomed is much better, instant and to taste. Resistive screens are very binary in nature when zooming. I guess its a tradeoff with the preciseness of inking on resistives.

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People justify things their device's inadequacies by calling these inadequacies useless.
Flash, MMS and now virtual keyboard.

And there I was thinking that everyone wanted a portrait VKB

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With pinch-to-zoom you have to use 2 fingers, BUT it's faster to switch modes (from panning to zooming) than using swirls.

When you're browsing, generally people have to hold the device with 2 hands anyway, because of the need to type URLs or other text entries... this is even more so with bigger tablet devices where it's not practical to hold with 1 hand.

On the iPad, the pinch-to-zoom actually takes into account of where you're initialing the pinch. Thus you can combine pan/scroll/zoom in one motion.
I think most people will find that most preferable on 7"> slates.

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Also the feeling of scrolling and pinching makes you feel like you are interacting with the screen in a more personal way. Typing on the iphone is supposed to be faster than 90% of hardware keyboards on mobiles.

I would personally prefer to trade a keyboard, resistive screen and inking ability on the iphone though.

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ups.. bad timing today for reading the forum all of the threads are about hate and love... See you next time!

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Its kinda hard to explain unless you have really used both side by side tbh, I have both and I can navigate and read web pages *much* faster on the iphone, it is just so much more "fluid" tbh. I find I had to use the stylus with the n900 wich for me made it more cumbersome. I suppose if i had to put in words i would say the input mechanisms on the 3gs are more refined and fluid to use like one quick swipe and youve zoomed in, i found with the n900 i was "swirling" for what seemed like ages, and moving the page around was jerky and not always in sync with the input.. But tbh use both side by side and you ll get my drift. But the n900 physical keyboard is one think I do miss on the 3gs. The n900 is top notch hardware let down by its os.

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Imagine calling an Adobe Flash/Flex dev stupid of what Flash means on the Internet. The irony does not escape me :rolleyes:

Now, let's revisit what I said. I said that half of this board seems to dislike Flash. That's somewhat of a hyperbole, but a lot of folks seem to be happy without Flash as people are. And yet, it's somehow a bulletpoint since... well, let's be honest. Since the iPhone doesn't support it, now people are willing to point go their soon to be left behind N900 that can do Flash. As it stands, if that makes folks feel better, so be it.

Regardless... next time you decide to quote somebody, I truly hope that you take the time to read the entire message for full comprehension and not just the bit that you decided to have some knee jerk reaction to and display your verbal diarrhea abilities.

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I could never understand the pinching thing it feels kinda gimmicky but thats my opinion. As for the iPhone's keyboard I would say it is pretty good onscreen keyboard but I type much faster on a physical keyboard I would know from experience. The best touch typing experience is on the HTC hd2 not the iPhone from my usage anyways it because of the large HTC hd2 touchscreen. Also the best touch keyboard would be the HTC keyboard from htc sense.

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I really don't understand what is so bad about flash. I have had a few bugs with it but mostly it works just fine. About your statement that says half of the people on this board hate flash is kinda stupid being about a large chunk of the posts that come in daily are complaints about how flash 10.1 isn't available on the Nokia n900. Flash whether it is good or bad is standard.

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Not a standard.. it's a plugin.

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Well it is the most used web plugin of anything out there. Over 75% of video streaming websites use adobe Flash. So do the majority of the web's games, apps, and advertisements (unfortunately) use it also. In my opinion html5 maybe the future but Adobe flash is what we have now.

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If you are asking me, it's part of my toolset in my career. I have absolutely nothing against Flash. You will have to ask those folks that seemingly do have a problem with it.

I am not one of those folks. This proves my point somewhat that you did not comprehend my prior statements.

Allow me to reiterate. I am a developer. I am a Flash/Flex developer. I have coded entire projects in AS3 for enterprise deployments on 5 different continents. I enjoy Flash, Flex, AS3, and whatever platform gets Flash Player 10.1, I will invariably purchase that.

I was hoping it was Maemo 5. Doesn't seem so now.

Again. Target those folks that have problems with it.

I ain't one of them.

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That still doesn't make it a standard. I'm pretty certain Netscape Navigator would have qualified as a 'standard' in 1995, by your definition, but I'm much more certain that HTML was still the standard while Navigator was just an application.

Don't confuse a commonly used application or plugin for a standard.

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Well thank you for correcting me. Still Flash is used a lot and there no reason not include it. Seems like everything Steve Jobs spews out of his mouth is crap. Apple just wants to make money from the h.264 codec because they refuse to support theora or webm.

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I have to reiterate what Danramos is stating... Flash is not a standard. It is only one of the better methods for streaming video that came out on top of Real Video and even Quicktime in terms of flexibility and whatnot.

But Flash is much more than video. To concentrate on just that one aspect is cheapening what a tool Flash can be.

And people who don't include it, have their reasons. I might not agree with those reasons, but it makes sense to them.