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CepiPerez 2010-07-06 17:44

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Default media player uses a stored jpg for artwork
Can Instinctiv use the same file for a faster image load?

zvogt 2010-07-07 00:19

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
I still carry a Sansa mp3 player running RockBox with me for one very specific feature, the ability to shift the pitch and tempo of a track independently. I realize I'm very likely in the minority, but I truly do use that functionality on a daily basis. If I could find a player for the n900 with that feature I would finally be able to consolidate and carry one fewer device. I'll add that (low priority) request to the bottom of the wish list stack.

devensega 2010-07-07 01:19

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 742773)
Instinctiv pulls data from the server for 2 things at the moment (though more features will be server dependent in the future).

1) Instinctiv shuffle. Using an encrypted connection Instinctiv anonymously uploads the names (and other metadata) of the songs you have on your device. The server then returns you a "mood map" which lets Instinctiv shuffle know which songs are related to which other songs, how and by how much. We also monitor which songs you play and skip and use that to personalize the shuffle. For every 1000 songs budget 50k of data up and 4k of data down. For every 10 songs listened to, budget 1k up.

2) Artwork fetching. This one's the one that'll kill you. We download missing cover art and each cover can be up to a couple hundred k per song...

Wait, what?........are you saying we can get missing art without having to use our PC's?

This would be very nice.:D

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-07-07 05:06

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zvogt (Post 743169)
I still carry a Sansa mp3 player running RockBox with me for one very specific feature, the ability to shift the pitch and tempo of a track independently. I realize I'm very likely in the minority, but I truly do use that functionality on a daily basis. If I could find a player for the n900 with that feature I would finally be able to consolidate and carry one fewer device. I'll add that (low priority) request to the bottom of the wish list stack.

We're always surprised at the cool (and sometimes crazy) stuff people do with music. If you don't mind my asking, why do you shift the pitch and tempo? Is it a jogging thing, a karaoke thing? Are you onto something totally awesome the rest of us don't know about? ;)

PS: Also, feel free to email directly (peter a† instinctiv dot com)

ZogG 2010-07-07 05:23

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Is it integrated with last.fm maemo plugin and headphone daemon(the one to pause music if headphones are pulled out) already?

zvogt 2010-07-07 05:50

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 743285)
We're always surprised at the cool (and sometimes crazy) stuff people do with music. If you don't mind my asking, why do you shift the pitch and tempo? Is it a jogging thing, a karaoke thing? Are you onto something totally awesome the rest of us don't know about? ;)

PS: Also, feel free to email directly (peter a† instinctiv dot com)

I think the most common use-case for increasing the tempo is to get through spoken-word recordings faster. Running at 150% speed would allow a user to listen to a one hour lecture in 45 minutes, for example. And the reason I want the tempo and pitch to be independent is because, if they weren't, then the voices would all sound like chipmunks at that speed. I like the ability to listen with the tempo at 150% but still keep the pitch at 100%, so the voices still sound normal.

Gheorghe 2010-07-07 06:12

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Wow, this looks very promising.
Just finished installing it and so far it's miles better than standard media player, its clean interface is awesome as is the support for artwork. Thanks.

broeman 2010-07-07 07:41

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Great app, I just have the same problem as with the default player (though I fixed it by changing the config file): It gathers all my media files, and half of them is SCUMM-games sound files.

Wishlist item from me: choosing folders for library, or just an "exclude these folders" option.

Bijiont 2010-07-07 07:54

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Very nice application! So much better than the default media player for music.

Haven't had a singel issue so far with my small music collection of 7200 files on my N900.

Looking forward to more development and improvements.

wolfpac72 2010-07-07 07:54

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Hello to all,

I downloaded the app yesterday and have to say very nice layout and very nice UI.
I only have some issues with some Albums which work fine on the Music Player but not in this, I do not really have a idea why this happen. In the Album view it even shows me the amount of tracks but when I enter into the Album only white screen.

Ok I do have 5000 songs on the device in eaac+ Format so could be that this is a issue :)

Just remarked one little thing which I would love to see added, thats the EDR Profile Support, as I do not have any possibility to control the Player with my BT Headset. That is nerving me and the reason I will not use the player at the moment, due the phone is mainly somewhere in my bag and I use my Headset to control my Music.

As mentioned several times also a support for Playlist would be nice :)

Great Application and I would love to see it improved.

BR

Thomas

heretic 2010-07-07 08:01

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
got a quick question come in my mind, does it support AVRCP? cause I always listen music with bluetooth headphones!

agatkao 2010-07-07 08:26

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Any chance there will be gapless playback included ? Or in different words: Is there a major obstacle as to why such a feature cannot be realized under Meamo 5 ?

Fantastic work so far, by the way.

nath 2010-07-07 08:29

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Setting the rpath to /usr/lib is just plain wrong. The app will look into that path anyway if there is nothing else set, so it is unnecessary - additionally, one cannot override this path, so there is no chance to use different library versions for the app if the rpath is set this way.

I guess that's the reason for the crashes I see on my device.

Rob1n 2010-07-07 08:41

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nath (Post 743453)
Setting the rpath to /usr/lib is just plain wrong. The app will look into that path anyway if there is nothing else set, so it is unnecessary - additionally, one cannot override this path, so there is no chance to use different library versions for the app if the rpath is set this way.

I guess that's the reason for the crashes I see on my device.

Yes, the rpath should be set to /opt/usr/lib/instinctiv (avoiding the need for the instinctiv.launch script), or shouldn't be set at all (in which case the LD_LIBRARY_PATH setting in the instinctiv.launch script will be used to find the libraries).

pelago 2010-07-07 10:24

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 742773)
Instinctiv pulls data from the server for 2 things at the moment (though more features will be server dependent in the future).

Is it possible to disable the use of the network connection for people who are worried about the cost of data or privacy?

optimistprime 2010-07-07 10:39

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great app, really nice for exercising or running. It has tons of potential, I would pay for an app like this with more extensive feature. Thanks guys!

stickymick 2010-07-07 13:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 743530)
Is it possible to disable the use of the network connection for people who are worried about the cost of data or privacy?

Yeah, now they mention that it needs a data connection, this could be of some concern to some people.

Having said that, apart from the fact that mine still quits back to desktop when I try to play a track:confused:It won't start at all when my data connection is active:confused::confused:

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-07-07 13:44

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 743530)
Is it possible to disable the use of the network connection for people who are worried about the cost of data or privacy?

It's on the todo list to help users avoid roaming charges. :) As far as privacy goes, we've spent a LOT of time on this and committed to privacy in way that'd make you think we're guarding national security secrets :p We do the obvious stuff like encrypt all up/down data (all communication with our servers is done over https) but we also generate a 128 bit key for each user based off timestamp, salt and a few other things ;) that's used to secure your anonymity. We have no way of going from that key back to anything personably identifiable. We never store your IP (in fact, it's even better than just not storing it, but more on that some other time). Even if someone breaks in (or physically takes) our servers, your embarrassing and secret love of Miley is safe with us :D

pelago 2010-07-07 15:29

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 743725)
It's on the todo list

Thanks for the explanation. Will data usage be turned on or off by default? "Silently" having data turned on by default and allowing the user to turn it off later in the application settings may not be good enough for some people.

Probably the best thing to do is provide a first-run-only dialogue which will ask the user whether he wants data turned on or off, with a full explanation of the pros and cons. If the user chooses "Off" on the first-run dialogue, no data will have been sent.

The reason I say this is because I want to try and protect you against a backlash like that which has happened with the PR1.2 compulsory My Nokia registration. For some people, being able to unsubscribe or to turn off data later isn't good enough - they want to have never subscribed or sent any data.

pillar 2010-07-07 16:31

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I don't think having data on by default is a problem, at least not like the MyNokia was. People are not required to install the app. Having an option to turn it off is enough.

romanianusa 2010-07-07 19:24

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 741982)
All right. You got it :) Playlist support is next. Does anyone want to weigh in on the volume issue and whether or not having a volume control within the gui in addition to the volume buttons on the actual phone is a good thing? It's come up several times, I'm just not sure I understand it :)

Please...NO volume button. It's taking up space. I like when it's clean and not so much stuffs taking up spaces.

Also please make it so it plays video too, not just music. Also, can you incorporate lyric fetching like they did with wikitune...that'll be awesome.

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-07-08 00:21

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 743825)
Thanks for the explanation. Will data usage be turned on or off by default? "Silently" having data turned on by default and allowing the user to turn it off later in the application settings may not be good enough for some people.

Probably the best thing to do is provide a first-run-only dialogue which will ask the user whether he wants data turned on or off, with a full explanation of the pros and cons. If the user chooses "Off" on the first-run dialogue, no data will have been sent.

The reason I say this is because I want to try and protect you against a backlash like that which has happened with the PR1.2 compulsory My Nokia registration. For some people, being able to unsubscribe or to turn off data later isn't good enough - they want to have never subscribed or sent any data.

You are so totally right :) First run screen (and then pref) it is.

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-07-08 00:51

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by romanianusa (Post 744057)
Please...NO volume button. It's taking up space. I like when it's clean and not so much stuffs taking up spaces.

Also please make it so it plays video too, not just music. Also, can you incorporate lyric fetching like they did with wikitune...that'll be awesome.


I'm pretty biased against the volume button, too... video is coming but won't be for a month (if not more). We'll be doing something with lyrics soon but there are a few unresolved legal issues that will determine *what* exactly we'll be doing....

altorn 2010-07-08 01:01

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
I'm surprised about this app's responsiveness. It just needs some sort of "by folder" shuffling, then i can pay maybe $5 for it.

I like this app.

atilla 2010-07-08 01:02

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by devensega (Post 743189)
Wait, what?........are you saying we can get missing art without having to use our PC's?

This would be very nice.:D

mussorgsky???

tom047 2010-07-08 03:03

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Peter, just been checking out the Mac OS app. Really, really like it. Syncing my N900 with it now. Not sure if you're also developing the desktop client or just the mobile one?

Anyway I thought I'd leave some feedback re: the desktop client.
1) Album art downloading is absolutely brilliant. There are album covers there I haven't seen ever through checking with both iTunes and Songbird, which are meant to be pretty premium media players.

However, when I scroll through my list of songs, it takes a number of seconds before the album art correctly shows up. Is there any way to eradicate this? I assume that the files are being saved and stored, as opposed to constantly fetched from the internet? If not, this is something you should definitely look at.

EDIT: Just searched through the Instinctiv file programs and found where artwork is indeed saved. Seems to load up a bit quicker after the update as well. Player now is very, very nice. Some artwork is missing that really should be found - for example, a band called Jet, and their album 'Get Born' cannot be found. However, I'd say around 75%+ now has an album artwork of some variety, which I'm very pleased about.

2) A feature I would really like, but I'm sure is difficult to implement, is the ability to write the fetched album art to the ID tag of the song. As I said, I'm sure this is a difficult process, but do you think it is a feature that might be implemented in the future? I've looked around for a free art-fetching, tag-writing program on Mac OS and have found nothing. If Instinctiv could do this it would have a unique position and another big 'selling' point, so in that sense there is something in it for you guys too (apart from providing consumers with a top-notch player).

3) It would be nice if there was a way to set up a 'watch folder'. I don't think iTunes does this - at least, it didn't last time I used it. But Songbird does. Basically the client watches for changes made to a folder and when it finds them, it adds them to the library. I'm not sure how much development is going into the desktop client as opposed to the mobile version but it would be nice.

4) I have been syncing with my N900 for about five minutes now and the progress bar is showing up nothing. Is syncing properly implemented or is this still a work in progress?

I can't tell you enough how good the album art fetching is. Seriously, most of these album covers I have *never* seen before. Absolutely top job, and I hope the updates come frequently because this is becoming a ripper of a player.

EDIT 2: It would be nice if there was a way to add album art from file, as mentioned in the first edit some albums can't be found that should be. Also, obviously this is one for the future, but a couple of different views (for example a list view) would be nice too, just to maximise the number of music files on screen at once. As I said though, these are not 100% necessary, especially not at this stage. These are all just features I'd like to see at some stage, and would leave little need for other players. I love how lightweight Instinctiv is at the moment, very nice work guys:D

stickymick 2010-07-08 06:52

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OK guys. A quick tip for those that can't get this thing to work at all.

If you've got any other media players installed, apart from the Maemo default, uninstall them one at a time, try running Instinctiv after each uninstall.

I found that either Symphonie or Enna Media Player were causing my crashes. Instinctiv now works every time.

But now I've experienced Instinctive, here's a few ideas for the devs.

1) Any plans for landscape mode?
If so there's lots of room there to shift the album art to the left..........
and
2) What about a lyrics scroller to the right of the album art?

3) (May be a bit too much work involved) Visualizations?

4) What would it involve to "Widgetize" this)

I too have also seen problems with scrolling in the Album section. I'm pretty sure this is caused by the album art, as it doesn't happen in the Artist or track section.

All in all, I like Instinctiv. Clean and simple, and I like the progress bar effect too.

cjp 2010-07-08 07:24

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I just dloaded an update to Instinctiv.

Changelog visible somewhere? :)

rnb89 2010-07-08 07:32

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Whats the new version number?

Flamee 2010-07-08 07:42

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Unless I'm blind or really losing it but I can't figure out how to get any songs to this app. Should the songs just appear after installation or do I have to do something.

Sorry if someone has already answered that but I tried to find a answer at the beginning and the end of this thread.

agatkao 2010-07-08 07:43

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
*bump*

@peter@instintcive.com


Quote:

Originally Posted by agatkao (Post 743449)
Any chance there will be gapless playback included ? Or in different words: Is there a major obstacle as to why such a feature cannot be realized under Meamo 5 ?

Fantastic work so far, by the way.


Rob1n 2010-07-08 08:00

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamee (Post 744570)
Unless I'm blind or really losing it but I can't figure out how to get any songs to this app. Should the songs just appear after installation or do I have to do something.

Sorry if someone has already answered that but I tried to find a answer at the beginning and the end of this thread.

They should just appear shortly after starting the app (it takes a little while for it to scan for them).

ny-hardcore 2010-07-08 08:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 744592)
They should just appear shortly after starting the app (it takes a little while for it to scan for them).

I had to place the files in MyDocs/.sounds
for it to work..

Rob1n 2010-07-08 08:44

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ny-hardcore (Post 744604)
I had to place the files in MyDocs/.sounds
for it to work..

I saw someone else mention that earlier, but it finds them on the media card fine here.

EDIT: That's with version 0.3.14

Reffyyyy 2010-07-08 08:44

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
I spent quite a while trying to fix the "not starting" issue and finally did it by sudo apt-get remove libavcodec52.

First impressions on application: Quite nice, clean interface. Some people may prefer the option to have it in a darker tone though.

The controls on the bottom are extremely useful and save me from going back to the main player to change song when scrolling or whatever

One problem I have with it is the inability to choose an album to play after choosing an artist (scrolling through all those albums is just too much for me)

I'm also quite impressed by the album artwork downloads. It managed to download some really unknown artists.

Other than that, I look forward to future developments. Keep up the good work.

Flamee 2010-07-08 09:04

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 744592)
They should just appear shortly after starting the app (it takes a little while for it to scan for them).

Well, mine doesn't appear no matter how long you wait.

And the files are at MyDocs/.sound(s) folder. Reinstall?

Rob1n 2010-07-08 09:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamee (Post 744636)
Well, mine doesn't appear no matter how long you wait.

And the files are at MyDocs/.sound(s) folder. Reinstall?

Are they standard MP3s? I'm not sure what file types Instinctiv looks for/plays.

Flamee 2010-07-08 09:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 744653)
Are they standard MP3s? I'm not sure what file types Instinctiv looks for/plays.

Yeah they are standard MP3..

cjp 2010-07-08 10:01

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rnb89 (Post 744562)
Whats the new version number?

0.3.14 according to Faster App Manager.

Or did I get an old update very late? :)

Rob1n 2010-07-08 10:11

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjp (Post 744680)
0.3.14 according to Faster App Manager.

Or did I get an old update very late? :)

That's the one they posted a link to on here earlier, so I guess it's just been pushed to Ovi as well.


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