Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Pure conjecture at this point, but I imagine it'll be the same story as usual. They won't mind their binaries on their own hardware.

So I don't imagine they'd have problems with people hacking at newer Nokia-specific MeeGo bits to run on N900 MeeGo, for instance.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

That's all speculation, at best. Time will answer all of that. It's all interesting how this will all work out.

Not too long ago, the only open phone was OpenMoko. Interesting times indeed.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

I agree with dan here. MeeGo the core OS with reference framework should most certainly be possible to get on the Samsung now that those drivers are open. Ganted youd have to figure out to flash it..

Right now the only closed components in MeeGo for the N900 is completely N900 specific.. drivers and modules just for this device.

Now.. getting Nokias other proprietary stuff that they plan to add in the future to MeeGo probably not.. But that's not part of the MeeGo core.. thats Nokia specific stuff. A community could add its own components to MeeGo to compensate.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

And that's exactly the point I was making... getting MeeGo on another device (Samsung's Captivate, for example) would be a HUGE win... and, HELL, if it works smoothly maybe we can even convince Samsung to bless it and design handsets and tablets around MeeGo instead of Android.

I can only imagine Samsung would be a VASTLY better company to deal with than Nokia. Especially if they seem to have more pull with component manufacturers as they're proving that they do with this vastly more earnest push for open-sourcing than Nokia ever did for us. And especially still, if they grok open-source.. I mean TRULY grok it, unlike Nokia.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

I don't see any reason why samsung would NOT pick up Meego and put a phone out with it. they obviously do not have any hangups about putting out phones with WinMo, BADA, android.

Also, Sasmung has pull with manufacturers because in many many cases they ARE the manufacturer :)

not sure that Samsung would be any better to deal with though. They seem to be of the same mindset as Nokia, you bought a phone with version x.y.z software and that is all you bought, no update required

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Yeah, they seem to be far more OS agnostic than Nokia--and your second point is RIGHT on the button, the very reason why I suspect they have far more pull than Nokia. :)

I hope Samsung is genuine about the open-source push--if MeeGo could woo Samsung into a handset for us, I suspect we'll ALLLLLLL be much better for it for every possible reason--the fact that they PRODUCE a lot of the components being far and away the biggest win of all.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

I just had the thought--maybe we should call for Nokia to use more Sumsung parts in their devices, if Nokia keeps hiding behind (what I feel is a bogus) excuse that the component manufacturers are the bottleneck to open-sourcing.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Seems to be some genuine interest in this: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=743

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Android drivers != X.org drivers

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Good point... though.. with the source code couldn't X.org drivers be written?

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

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Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Yes. Yes, I believe you can.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

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Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

I love it when someone corrects someone else for saying it right in the first place. You know there's an eventual follow-up SNAP correcting the correction for correcting in the first place. ;)

Now, if we could only get more people to know the difference between "its" and "it's".

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

I know invariably there will be some masturbatory conversation centered heavily around simpleton semantics and connotation as opposed to pure denotation... and personally I'll have very little to do with it.

In the future, MeeGo will be released. In the future, we'll know all of what Samsung will have open-sourced and what's not being open-sourced. Until it's all out on the table, it's still guess work and/or assuming that companies/people will keep their word.

I'm the type that tends to deal in absolutes. And in this case, Samsung is trying to do something that... well is a good step in the right direction. I doubt they will get it 100% right, but it's good.

MeeGo is going that fully open route where the only closed bits (this time) will be hardware specific. That's better than the 43% open percentage (paraphrasing stskeeps) for Fremantle.

People will show devotion to either platform or manufacturer. I'm just happy to actually see that "being open" is finally being embraced by companies and it's interesting to see how it will all play out. Not enough is known to say definitively one way or the other. Neither has been fully release and yet to show all of its openness yet.

There you go. It's and its used properly. I done Mama proud.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Hell, they even open-sourced the VIDEO DRIVER! THE VIDEO DRIVER! Nokia still hasn't done the same for us N8x0 owners two years later. This Samsung device has been out how long?

IT'S ABOUT ITS OPENNESS!! ;)

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Oh please. Get your facts right.

a) this is not Nokia's driver, but Texas Instruments' driver
b) TI did release the driver

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Stskeeps is "bending" facts.
Most of this 43% non-open is just dropped and not used in MeeGo at all (like callendar and settings etc.). So it's easy to go to that 1% by just dropping non-free components.

We'll see the real number, once Nokia releases Harmattan - where these non-free components will be replaced by other non-free components.
I wouldn't be surprised if Harmattan reaches even higher %.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Did Texas Instruments release the video & 3D drivers for the Nokia N810 fully?

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Sorry to piss in your cornflakes, but the video driver you speak of is exact same situation as on N8x0 and N900 - kernel driver is open source (two parts: PowerVR and display driver) and closed source libraries where all the real fun happen.

It's Imagination technologies / SGX all over again.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Harmattan is fairly unrelated to MeeGo in that regard. MeeGo is not (just) Harmattan without the closed parts. For example, there is nothing saying that MeeGo does not include a Media Player (no idea if the Harmattan one will be Free, I'm just extrapolating from Fremantle). Just like the UX, MeeGo will offer a completely free solution, which then vendors can (and likely will) customize. Obviously it can't offer free replacements for Skype, Flash 10 or Maps (unless you count SIP and such), but system-wise, it should be fairly functionally complete.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

When will you be able to EASILY change the os of your phone like you can for you notebook?

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

When the HW vendors stop being OS vendors, mobile hardware development pace is halved and the subsidizing carriers are gone. Any moment now.

Re: Samsung Captivate - Samsung is OPEN-SOURCING their drivers and other code!
 

Not my cornflakes, thankfully. But still, bah! That sucks, then. I'm still keeping an eye on it to see what happens and I'll still poke a my finger in their eye about it, as you know I tend to do. :P