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hdmi type-d ????

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Not here. Well, the IR transmitter is not critical. But, the FM transmitter is sweet. I don't think I want to do without. Unfortunately, I doubt there will ever be another device that allows one to have an FM transmitter and is open enough to be able to boost its frequency as the N900 does. That is why I now have a second N900 in storage for when my current one dies. ;)

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Type D
A Micro connector defined in the HDMI 1.4 specification[52][55] keeps the standard 19 pins of types A and C but shrinks the connector size to something resembling a micro-USB connector.[56] The type D connector is 2.8 mm × 6.4 mm, whereas the type C connector is 2.42 mm × 10.42 mm;[57] for comparison, a micro-USB connector is 2.94 mm × 7.8 mm and USB Type A is 11.5 mm × 4.5 mm. Source: Wikipedia

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And if you think you're going to get fully optimized code like Android or iOS you're deceiving yourself. I stand by Dual core as a minimum.

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Why? Unlike Maemo 5, MeeGo isn't just Nokia, and if this device really will get updates from MeeGo as we're told, then it'll be much more long term than Maemo 5 turned out to be.

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Lots of IF's. I'm not looking for Quad-core Octo-GPU like poni-boy over there. I just want a dual-core competitive with what is currently on the market, with RAM to match.

And let's be frank. The N950 is supposed to be what, 90k+ in unit volume? What about the others? A few hundred thousand. Let's just say a few million just for grins. Are you seriously going to say that that's going to be on the same level software wise as iOS and Android which is in the hundreds of millions?

Look, I'm all for giving the MeeGo community the benefit of the doubt. Why can't the N950 be competitive hardware wise? If you give it some juice if the software isn't 100% that's no problem. When it is it'll be that much better. Underpowered hardware will only make it look worse at a time when it's trying to build momentum. I don't know why this is even being debated.

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Simple: all that processing power will affect the battery. Your argument seems to be (and correct me if i'm wrong) give us crazy power to compensate for shoddy coding because Nokia will drop it after the 24 month legal period they need to support it - which is a fine assumption after Maemo 5. But MeeGo isdevelped by multiple sources and companies, not just Nokia, and the N9/50 will receive the future updates, which, one would assume, will iron out the bugs.

Now, i totally agree that it should have great hardware and high RAM etc, but I don't want MeeGo to be an Android situation where, to differentiate from everyone else, the hardware manufacturers can only compete by jacking in more and more specs, so the average ***** thinks 'oh look, a high number, that's better!' with no recourse on, for instance, the battery life. The N8 is a bad example but the C7 isn't, it has a modest processor and works smooth and quickly. Maemo 5 out of the box runs very snappy too. Point being it's not all about the processor, but optimisation, as we all know. I, and i think most others, would like it more if MeeGo were built well enough so it could advertise the fact (for teens to understand) that "hey guys, we build our OS so it runs as well as Gingerbread but on a lower processor, meaning you get more battery life" or whatever. One of the biggest gripes about Android is the appalling battery life, jacking it up with a 1.2GHz dual core processor won't help that in any way. As has been said already, fix it at the foundation rather than using this band-aid approach

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I'd still rather have a stylus. Lack of stylus implies the touch screen will be the less accurate capacitive type, the UI is going to be of the pure "finger friendly" sort, and the zoom +/- is going to be some multi-finger gesture.

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I'd be surprised if this isn't a capacitive screen. Having played angry birds on capacitive, i'd rather resistive even if only for touch games, and things like mypaint. But it's about balancing it out and i'd rather have other things at this point.
As for finger friendly icons, agreed, although if there's a Theme Customizer for MeeGo then we can reduce them again

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I am currently an android user and from my perspective maemo 5 was more complete and with less bugs then android. So yes I really think that :P

Might be wrong thread to ask but from what I've recall there was someone saying that harmattan will have a hw accelerated ui a year ago or something. Is this a fact by now?

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Why are you using Android then?

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Because I did not want to buy a new N900 when I lost my phone a year ago because harmattan was comming in the autumn and now I am still waiting. Once a maemo user it's hard to use anything else :)

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ah ok, i was just curious. When my N900 broke i bought a new one, as you said, hard to use anything else

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Not for the browser. PR 1.3 brought a big improvement for double-tap zooming. And as an iPod touch 2G owner, I can attest that double-tap zooming is near perfection in iOS Safari. Multi-finger gestures are unnecessary 99.9% of the time.

But don't get me wrong, the above is no excuse for not having a stylus. (Did I just use a quadruple negative?)

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Sounds great, except MeeGo community has no access to closed source content like OVI maps, browser and etc. Are you saying LG will support their version of MeeGo on the N950? Unlikely.

Let's stop pretending that commercial MeeGo is the same as community MeeGo, plus do know for a fact that ALL MeeGo binaries will be fully backward compatible onto Harmattan? I mean we sure have A LOT of assumptions here.

Maemo sounded great until Nokia changed their mind. Just because other people will join MeeGo doesn't mean that LG or whoever else is going to fix Nokia's code if / when they decide that it's not worth their time anymore just like Maemo.

The difference between Android and MeeGo is that Android you have choices. I don't see too many choices for MeeGo, so what do yous start with? Weak and outdated or current and competitive? Doesn't have to be the absolute fastest on the market but it's got to be competitive.

If battery is a concern, buy an extra and leave your charger in your car / desk / home. What's the big deal? It's not like you live in the Amazon and generate power by water wheel.

Look, we're just preparing for version 1.0. We're not talking 2.0 or 3.0 here folks. Here's a newsflash, 1.0 products have problems. BTW, as a corollary to your point, someone in software can also figure out how to optimize battery life and squeeze more out of each GHz.

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According to zehjotkah, we'll be able to upgrade to full MeeGo if we want to. It won't be a community effort because MeeGo will continue to be developed. Ovi Maps may be an exception, but so what? If we get a decent version of it with turn by turn navigation, not many people will mind sticking with that.
And if you are concerned about Nokia but not MeeGo, get a different hardware manufacturer's one

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Can someone really confirm this is the case? Link please!?

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History of RM-680.
http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=663

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If they run WP7 on that phone Elop will burn.

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All fine and dandy but no reason we need to settle for subpar hardware. As for other manufacturers, I've always preferred Nokia hardware / design. My N900 is getting old enough I don't want to wait until the other guys get their act together.

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Make your mind up, are we discussing hardware or software? When the N900 came out other phones had faster processors, but unlike Android, Maemo is optified well. Yes it could have done with say 800MHz not 600, but it wasn't as slow as Android would be. I want a nice balance between performance and battery life, and if it's well coded there may not be a difference between 1GHz and 1.2Ghz or dual core etc. If there is a noticeable difference then yes, i'll want it. But i won't want it for the sake of a spec orgasm.

But none of this has anything to do with Ovi Maps

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Apparently it's European law that they must support a device for 24 months, so no, June 2012 would be at most only 12 months

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i want my dual-core and qHD screen because i am a gadget geek and don't invest in yesterdays antiques.

if that isn't a good enough reason, tough, i'm not very interested in buying anything lesser.

:)

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yes in the same way as CSSU on Maemo5 and MeegoDE for N900.

Personally thats why I will buy this new handset.

I dont give a **** what Nokia will do with support as long as we have a community and I can tweek it.

If I want "support" I would go for some crappy Iphone or WP7.

N900 and Nxx is for the community who prefer "as open as possible" :-D

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i wasnt asking what hdmi type-d was but rather if they would include it in this model, and if zehjotkah would be so kind as to ask during his meeting? if he were to also wonder about the FMTx

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i wont get it unless it has a hw kb. :/

hope it does.

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well could be because it will already be announced BEFORE conference. My hope is 17 May.....

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Dual core is a hardware feature.

Not sure how being optified compensates for a slower processor.

Seriously. Do you remember life BEFORE Titan? It sucked Big-TIME.

Again, all fine and dandy, how long will that take. With the N900 performance and battery life was one of the main drivers for Titan and other optimizations. Innovation born out of frustration. Why not start with good hardware and save ourself the frustration? I'll pay more for a device if that means less frustration for the first year or so.

You're saying there would be no difference between a single 1 Ghz process and a 1GHz dual core processor? Hmm.... I think there is.


Except everyone keeps saying that all optimization problems will be addressed by the MeeGo collective and OVI Maps, one of the worst offenders on the N900 can only be addressed by Nokia and not anyone else. So if there is any chance OVI Maps for N950 will be as resource intensive as on the N900 then dual core would again be beneficial.

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Personally I think more RAM is far more important then DualCore.

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Are you saying Android/IOS has fully optimized coide for DualCores hahaha you have to be kidding...

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According to FCC raport it does. Don't worry. I think that people even at Nokia read these forums and know how important hw keyboard is for people ;)

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Could be atleast halftrue the QtQuick team is working hard to optimize nextgen QtQuick and use OpenGL and replace QPainter with QSceneGraph if I remember correct.

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you guys heard of the „rumor“ that the meego device which you can buy hasn’t got a KB. The Candybar one is for the public.

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1) Yes, dual core is a hardware feature, you went on to talk about Ovi Maps and stuff.

2) because it's less resource hungry...

3) Yep, got a new N900 last month and was completely amazed at how fast it was. When you take up 70%+ of root space, it's gonna slow down.

I think you're missing my point on all this. I'm not suggesting Nokia give us subpar hardware, i want big upgrades from the N900.All i'm saying is i don't want the band-aid approach - if we have an OS that runs nice and fast and smooth with a lower processor, great. If they put a 1.2GHz processor in anyway, great. But don't have a bloated OS that needs a huge processor. That's all i mean. This is like the difference between Windows XP and Windows Vista.

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No, but at least it will have support for years to come. Who knows what MeeGo will bring.

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Do you even know what your last post was before you make a new one? You said Android and iOS are optimised for dual core, then said no but they have support for years. Android isn't optimised for much of anything, it runs like crap on single core, people are now ejaculating over the spec sheet of the SG2 and it isn't optified for dual core. It's just this endless circle of ********. I don't know about you, I want MeeGo to be different, i want it to stand above Android by being able to claim that it's not fragmented, that it works well, and it's optimised.

If something is chasing Android, it might as well pack up and go home

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That just means that they have to fix it if it breaks within 24 months, it doesn't mean they have to keep developing the OS for 24 months.

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Whether or not MeeGo is like XP or Vista remains to be seen, but it will be because of the engineers decide that's what they want to do and can do not because of the processor in the N950.

Historically software has been the long pole in the N900 and N8. Do you really think with Nokia's lack of support they're really going to get ahead of this one? I respect Nokia engineers for what they can do but let's be real. Harmattan won't be optimized. And if I had to wait for MeeGo proper to give me the fully optimized MeeGo experience, when will that be?

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I was about to go with the HP Veer but I think I will hold out for this. This is what I've been waiting for. Hardware keyboard and bigger screen than the 3.5" the n900 has. Hope the N950 will have the camera of N8 or better.

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Ok, seriously, buy the LG MeeGo if you're already sure you'll hate Nokia's