Re: N950 on ebay
 

No link. Is he any relation to the scamming bas**** in this thread?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74533

Claimed he worked for Accenture and he's got 200+ N950s up for grabs. Got himself kicked off eBay for his efforts,

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Name seems familiar, so I'd say yeah... that's the same bloke that had sold like 19 to unsuspecting folks.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Re: Nokia will probably not survive 2012 :-(
 

As predicted... :(
http://press.nokia.com/2013/09/02/mi...ping-services/

The only good thing after all: Nokia keeps its patents, so they could protect Jolla SailfishOS...?

Re: Nokia will probably not survive 2012 :-(
 

Why would they protect Jolla? What would motivate them to do that if Nokia is majority-owned by Microsoft now? I really don't understand this line of thinking.

Re: Nokia will probably not survive 2012 :-(
 

As far as I understand the news, Microsoft bought a part of the smartphone unit from Nokia and licensed the patents. Furthermore, Microsoft is allowed to use the Nokia brand until 2015 but not any longer.
This is not said in the PR, but I understand that Nokia could also use the mobile patents on their side as well. They should therefore be able to either license e.g. Android/Jolla/FFOS/... phones or maybe even set up a new unit and produce smartphones (running Android/Jolla/FFOS/...) again. Or are their any restrictions in the deal that ban Nokia from producing smartphones?

Re: Nokia will probably not survive 2012 :-(
 

To be precise, MS bought all mobile devices functions from NOK, including R&D, Manufacturing and Services, along with the Lumia and Asha brands.

On hindsight, this is precisely the reason Nokia had promoted the Lumia brand of smatphones, and delibrately played down the Nokia brand. Now it is easy to switch spinning the story from "Nokia Lumia" to "Microsoft Lumia"

Makes me wonder if the whole thing was planned from the start... surely not?? [¹]

Propably there are no restrictions really but think a bit about this... Who's going to do it all? And where? And how? What is a company but a living process, cut it from one place and plant it somewhere else, it might take root but surely the hole left in the original site cannot grow up anything that soon.
After the deal goes through all the knowhow is @MS, there's nothing to start from. It takes years to recreate anything worth mentioning.

[1] well of course it was, what else did you think?

Re: Nokia will probably not survive 2012 :-(
 

This is the only non MS project at NOK ? isnt it ?

Anyone wanna bet on Asha's life expectancy ?

Re: Nokia will probably not survive 2012 :-(
 

That would be a shame as it is quite a capable featurephone, it does email, chat and surfing, and it does it at least twice as fast as my 5x more expensive n900!

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

ASHA is a goner.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Offloading Vertu kinda makes sense right now...

But don't Nokia still produce the handsets?

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

The manufacturing plants and handset division was entirely sold off to Microsoft. Also, as part of the deal Nokia cannot make ANY hardware bearing their name until the year 2016.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

what after 2016 ? can they create their phone bussiness again with their own name ? and what if they buy another company to produce phones with the bought companies name/trademark ?

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

I'm not sure of the exact wording of their agreement but I'd imagine that any lawyer involved would have told them that putting their name on a product includes putting ANY name they already have and own, make up or buy from another company, as a matter of technicality. I'm just guessing that, though, but it's typical of lawyers to think that way in writing. Still, I'm sure it might be totally legit for them to invest in something to PREPARE for a 2016 release of a product they can manufacture (for example Jolla, if Nokia was smart enough to plan ahead).

Re: Nokia will probably not survive 2012 :-(
 

Plan B for Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

I am willing to bet their name means exactly NOKIA and not what you say, but I don't know the wording either.

I just think that if it was as you say, it would simply say "not sell devices" to cover everything.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Didn't someone on another thread re-check and confirm that it is indeed NO Nokia brand names at all, already?

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

did really? I haven't seen it.

::curious::

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Ah, I found the post:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372181

Although, it doesn't state he double-checked or where he double-checked it, so who knows if it's accurate?

BTW:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/...hings-to-know/

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Well, the deal for the name is for the name, that doesn't mean they don't also have a deal for device production.

But it's not like Elops phone division cares about the rest of the world. It's all about North America there. Nokia must shun America more than ever now. So Microsoft may not have cared enough to buy Nokias promise of eternal global noncompetition. They already got a lot for not so much.

And who knows what strategy the board and new CEO will come up with in a year. One of the jobs Elop was expected to do was trim down the organization, I wager that especially ment the parts that resisted change. It has been thoroughly trimmed. It's a much cleaner point to start a new effort from.

And they have some fresh billions they have to invest somewhere. There are a LOT of clever people not associated with Nokia any more that have ties to Nokia, some even had economical support in starting new endeavours. Nokia might be quite positive to reestablishing new business connections now, when the MS cash is fresh and not yet ear marked.

If the deal doesn't prohibit it directly, they could i.e. buy up companies like Jolla or something akin to (but not quite) Vertu and let them keep doing their thing or let them to their thing. 2016 isn't that far off either, so the time could be utilized in getting some new innovation R&D conclaves started. Unless the contract specifically prohibits it.

Their network foot is solid, but they're up against China on that market. Nokia has a tradition for making new legs to stand on. They were boot makers, that just shows how far they can jump. And it's a lot easier for the finns to form new business partnerships now that Microsoft left them and took the house and the family name and left.

Then again, I have not been seeing any many IBM PCs around lately, so there's much reason to believe we've really seen the last of Nokia in consumer electronics.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

NOKIA is done making phones. They dont have the moneys nor the muscle to compete with Android nor iOS. BB cant do it either. I think its good time for NOKIA to remove that tumor called Devices and Services and rethink their future priorities. Forget about handsets. Unless you have something revolutionary, you dont have stand a chance. And Jolla, has anyone ever heard of them, except that they mess up google search for tourists looking to find loding in real La Jolla.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

You, sir, have over a longer time shown an amount of reason, objectivity and deduction that I don't actually have to read what you write to know the value of it. I don't believe you're real.

Have a good day.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

I would be surprised if there ain't at least some kind of discussion over at Nokia about buying Jolla in the future to kind of finish what they started. Though perhaps all those employes might have alread left Nokia.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

I can Imagine the selling of Devices & Services unit was very hard for the shareholders... I mean Nokia had their whole research department (now named Advanced Technologies) focused on mobile sw & hw research. I believe there was much unharnessed potential there, and now much of it can't be used, at least until 2016.


Maybe the phones, but I believe they might start doing something else... Nowadays they're a company largely concentrating on providing connectivity solutions (hence "connecting people") on both sw & hardware sides, so I wouldn't be surprised if they unveiled some kind of consumer electronics device(s) in the future.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Yeah, but do the people of Jolla ever want to have anything to do with Nokia after appalling way it was mismanaged by the top executives, didn't listen to customers and they wanted, made things miserable for anyone that disagreed with them (even on obvious things that weren't even a matter of opinion), sold off the company's assets left and right and, worst of all, callously fired swaths of them months after months over the past several years--especially after Elop took over.

My opinion, if I were a Jolla executive, is that Jolla wouldn't WANT to be bought by Nokia, to be honest.