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vitaminj 2012-02-22 11:34

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Etchelon (Post 1168255)
The question is: will this latest implementation eat battery like fennec v13 alpha (from romaxa) does? Like 1% every 2 minutes or even faster :(

I use a release build (currently v10) from romaxa and it doesn't do this. Firefox Sync (if you use it) at startup does guzzle a bit of CPU, but once that's done, it's happy.

I'd like to know if Nokia are doing their own platform UI, given that Mozilla are soon to drop support for the current cross-platform (slow) XUL UI in favour of just Android.

Also, I assume a corresponding AIR runtime will be nowhere to be found, which would be a shame given it might enable another avenue to get some pre-existing apps onto the platform.

simonizer 2012-02-22 12:25

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1168276)
I use a release build (currently v10) from romaxa and it doesn't do this. Firefox Sync (if you use it) at startup does guzzle a bit of CPU, but once that's done, it's happy.

I'd like to know if Nokia are doing their own platform UI, given that Mozilla are soon to drop support for the current cross-platform (slow) XUL UI in favour of just Android.

Also, I assume a corresponding AIR runtime will be nowhere to be found, which would be a shame given it might enable another avenue to get some pre-existing apps onto the platform.

jalyst has attached his conversation with romaxa. Seems like he's trying to build the browser with the harmattan ui and based on the Mozilla engine.

http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=156

Jedibeeftrix 2012-02-22 14:56

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
excellent news Jolo, thank you.

Dave999 2012-02-22 15:15

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
HoHo, This will be funny. Flash impementation for n9 :D

However, flash for n9 is nothing like flash for ... just saying.

Anyhow. Great work guys. Truly amazing!

jalyst 2012-02-22 17:10

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedri Mark (Post 1168131)
FP10 or FP11 with gpu support?

Pretty sure my earlier chats with him indicated they were gunning for Flash 11x.
Here is one example....
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...38#post1122938
I hope there hasn't been a miscommunication, would be disappointing if it was 10.1.
I've tweeted him & asked if he can clarify, & answer some other questions here.

jolo 2012-02-22 21:48

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dockman (Post 1168115)
Jolo, ballpark, how close are we?

just fiddling around with optification to get through the Nokia Store submission process.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dockman (Post 1168115)
I hope there hasn't been a miscommunication, would be disappointing if it was 10.1.

It is 10.1. We ran out of runway, so we got out what we could get out. No sense in delaying thing even further.

Dragoss91 2012-02-22 21:51

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jolo (Post 1168005)
Some good news for a change. We have finally sorted out the issues with Firefox for the N9 and have Adobe Flash certified. This means we should be able to get these to the Store quite soon. Sorry for the silence on this topic, but it has been a roller-coaster ride for these apps.

Infinite thanks to you , I really missed the N900 web experience .

jahberre 2012-02-22 22:04

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
i wish it were soon!!!

user_nameless 2012-02-22 22:25

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
wow, fantastic news .. simply can't wait for this .. thank you thank you thank you ..

law138 2012-02-22 22:49

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1168187)
Hallelujah! :D

Thank-you jolo for updating us here as soon as you could, as I asked via twitter.
Sorry for incessantly bugging you & whining, I'm sure the entire process hasn't been easy.

Jalyst I would like to thank you for the whining, bugging and keeping the community updated with this also a big thanks to jojo . :-)

automagic68 2012-02-23 01:33

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jolo (Post 1168490)
just fiddling around with optification to get through the Nokia Store submission process.


It is 10.1. We ran out of runway, so we got out what we could get out. No sense in delaying thing even further.

After this release, will there be a later update which contains Flash 11.x?

ibrakalifa 2012-02-23 01:53

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
N9 64gb!! where i can find it?!!! i cant waiiiit, :sad:

HanzBlix 2012-02-23 04:23

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Wow that's uncanny, last night I noticed that youtube actually plays videos on the desktop version(of the page) via default browser and fennec, I hadn't been able to do that before, and I havnt updated fennec for months, and have done nothing to implement flash so obviously it's not related to this upcoming release, maybe in the background somehow.
It's not exactly a slick implementation but it's nice to see it work like that, brings back memories of my old n900 lol.
Now I find out proper flash is coming for fennec at least, jackpot, the lack of flash is one of the many apple features that I don't want a bar of, frankly I found it inconcievable that N9 wouldn't ship with flash, until I received mine......
The N9's heritage is wasted if it can't, scratch that, won't allow for power users on trivial little features like flash.
One thing I can guarantee, this won't stop the whole "oh Nokia don't support their devices" BS, trolls will be trolls, cough chuck vi cough.

jalyst 2012-02-23 20:12

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jolo (Post 1168490)
It is 10.1. We ran out of runway, so we got out what we could get out. No sense in delaying thing even further.

:-(
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...appointPLZ.jpg

Any chance of FP11x later on?

jalyst 2012-02-23 20:22

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by law138 (Post 1168512)
Jalyst I would like to thank you for the whining, bugging and keeping the community updated with this also a big thanks to jojo . :-)

NP at all. It was really only a very minor role...
But I'm quite sure jolo wanted to strangle me occasionally :D

vzp916 2012-02-23 21:55

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1168904)
NP at all. It was really only a very minor role...
But I'm quite sure jolo wanted to strangle me occasionally :D

Now it's better :)

latency 2012-02-24 21:51

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Finally flash for N9! I'm in heaven. I wonder how long the Nokia Store submission process will take. Anyone now how long it usually takes? Days, weeks?

vzp916 2012-02-24 21:53

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Soooo......did jolo actually use it on the N9 and can vouch for usability and all?

Ovi store takes couple days...unless Nokia doesn't want it to go out.

jolo 2012-02-25 02:03

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jolo (Post 1168005)
Some good news for a change. We have finally sorted out the issues with Firefox for the N9 and have Adobe Flash certified. This means we should be able to get these to the Store quite soon. Sorry for the silence on this topic, but it has been a roller-coaster ride for these apps.

Now you can get Firefox here: http://store.ovi.mobi/content/257468 - we'll probably get Flash out next week.

Dead1nside 2012-02-25 02:35

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jolo (Post 1169441)
Now you can get Firefox here: http://store.ovi.mobi/content/257468 - we'll probably get Flash out next week.

Absolute amazement. Thank you so much, and to everyone else involved. I only just bought an N9, imported to the UK, and I was not expecting this -- always the best surprise.

Sazpaimon 2012-02-25 03:01

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1168389)
I hope there hasn't been a miscommunication, would be disappointing if it was 10.1.

Why? Flash 11 doesn't really bring a lot to the table that the N9 can benefit from. A lot of changes to the player itself, most of the updates from the last few releases went to improving AIR. The most major thing of note was better 3D rendering over OpenGLES 2, but I'm fairly confident that developers aren't going to be targeting flash for mobile 3D games any time soon. I think possibly improved video decoding, but I think that was really targeted on Android, which isn't exactly the same plugin as the NPAPI plugin we'll be getting, In fact, I'd be willing to bet if he just lied and said it was Flash 11 and really just a modified Flash 10 binary, you wouldn't know the difference.

The real question you should be asking is not what version of Flash, but if was compiled with hardware acceleration

AndyNokia232 2012-02-25 03:43

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Wow, wow and once more...wow! Just downloaded Firefox on my N9 from the Nokia store and I am very, very impressed. Here's my little test: I tried to watch the PureView teaser video via MyNokiaBlog and all I got was choppy audio. That was a few days ago. Just tried the exact same thing with Firefox, and yes, it played the video! OK, so it managed on 360p, and became choppy higher than that, but it is fine with me, as long as I can play flash videos, I'm happy!
Big thanks to jolo for making this happen. It's so good to know Nokia are still working hard to make this phone of theirs even better. I am a happy chap!
:)

ibrakalifa 2012-02-25 04:04

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
i still manage to get a new 64gb n9, lol, why its so hard to find it here, :confused:

dsawhney 2012-02-25 04:23

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 1169450)
Wow, wow and once more...wow! Just downloaded Firefox on my N9 from the Nokia store and I am very, very impressed. Here's my little test: I tried to watch the PureView teaser video via MyNokiaBlog and all I got was choppy audio. That was a few days ago. Just tried the exact same thing with Firefox, and yes, it played the video! OK, so it managed on 360p, and became choppy higher than that, but it is fine with me, as long as I can play flash videos, I'm happy!
Big thanks to jolo for making this happen. It's so good to know Nokia are still working hard to make this phone of theirs even better. I am a happy chap!
:)

i think ff with flash version is not going to be available until next week, you were using html5 to watch the webm video

RafaelVlmendes 2012-02-25 05:04

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Guys and community. Firefox updating in store ovi and is very fast sites and plugins.. Next week flash for firefox. Nice

lifeintheblitz 2012-02-25 13:08

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Yeah I tried it out. It is pretty speedy, but sadly it comes at the cost of battery life. :( Even when running in the background, Firefox averages around 15%-25% CPU utilization. :( Not really expecting a super optimized build, but for me, I think that's a little on the high side.

latency 2012-02-25 13:49

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
As long as flash works I'm not that bothered with battery draining in Fennec. I'll use the standard browser or Opera for sites that doesn't require flash.

Makeclick 2012-02-25 14:44

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lifeintheblitz (Post 1169560)
Yeah I tried it out. It is pretty speedy, but sadly it comes at the cost of battery life. :( Even when running in the background, Firefox averages around 15%-25% CPU utilization. :( Not really expecting a super optimized build, but for me, I think that's a little on the high side.

Hey.. it's first rela release from firefox to harmattan "maemo6". I think they try to make it even better.

m4r0v3r 2012-02-25 14:56

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
any chance of a video of the performance?

marxian 2012-02-25 16:23

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1169599)
any chance of a video of the performance?

YouTube video playback in Firefox on my N950 http://youtu.be/wix6oz5-iAg

tcbl50 2012-02-25 16:58

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lifeintheblitz (Post 1169560)
Yeah I tried it out. It is pretty speedy, but sadly it comes at the cost of battery life. :( Even when running in the background, Firefox averages around 15%-25% CPU utilization. :( Not really expecting a super optimized build, but for me, I think that's a little on the high side.

never happened for me. i actually seemed to have less impact on the battery as compared with the default browser

jalyst 2012-02-25 19:38

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Why? Flash 11 doesn't bring a lot to the table that the N9 can benefit from.
<SNIP>most major thing of note was better 3D rendering over OpenGLES 2...
But I'm fairly confident that developers aren't going to be targeting flash for mobile 3D games any time soon
That's true, given the longer-term outlook for the platform.

Quote:

I think possibly improved video decoding,
That's mainly what I was hoping for....

Quote:

The real question you should be asking, is if it was compiled with hardware acceleration
This is significant too, good point....
It'd still be good to get confirmation at some point, as to whether it's completely ruled-out
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=134

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 1169450)
Wow, wow and once more...wow! Just downloaded Firefox on my N9 from the Nokia store and I am very, very impressed. Here's my little test: I tried to watch the PureView teaser video via MyNokiaBlog and all I got was choppy audio. That was a few days ago. Just tried the exact same thing with Firefox, and yes, it played the video! OK, so it managed on 360p, and became choppy higher than that, but it is fine with me, as long as I can play flash videos, I'm happy!
Big thanks to jolo for making this happen. It's so good to know Nokia are still working hard to make this phone of theirs even better. I am a happy chap!
:)

You would've been playing HTML5/WEBM, not Flash...
IIRC the reason you had that issue w/the stock browser, is to do w/how YouTube sniffs the UA for the stock browser from an embedded vid.
IIRC if you went directly to YouTube and watch it from there, the stock browser should've handed it pretty well.

Pirvokkula 2012-02-25 20:57

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
I cannot see how people are giving 5-star reviews to the Ovi store version of Fennec (10.0.2).

The browser is choppy, laggy and slow.

But yes, there's much potential in it. I hope future versions will be faster and the UI will feel better.

cevenn 2012-02-25 21:09

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
It's laggy, but usefull with Phony add-on, to change user agent...

jalyst 2012-02-25 21:16

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirvokkula (Post 1169727)
I cannot see how people are giving 5-star reviews to the Ovi store version of Fennec (10.0.2).

The browser is choppy, laggy and slow.

But yes, there's much potential in it. I hope future versions will be faster and the UI will feel better.

Read posts #121, #122, & then the post that's linked to in #121
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...76#post1168276
I'm still in the midst of getting more info. from jolo about that.

ENNINE 2012-02-25 22:20

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
It's slow, laggy and shitty.
Opera is much better.

latency 2012-02-25 22:28

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ENNINE (Post 1169758)
It's slow, laggy and shitty.
Opera is much better.

Surely, Opera is much snappier at the moment, but flash will draw me to Fennec either way. I hope it will be here on Monday :)

aironeous 2012-02-26 08:29

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Finally I WILL BE ABLE TO USE THE INTERNET NOT JUST READ IT!
No more Nokia diaper on their face when it comes to flash.

Now I can use the internet, i.e. watch CNN videos, watch dailyshow, colbert report, hulu, website radio station streams, so so many things or at least have the chance.

Now we need someone to make an app to change the user agent so it reads flash 11 for firefox when websites check because many websites will discriminate against your browser unless it says flash 11 even though flash 10.1 will play the content just fine.

This is too good to be true? It's hard to believe Jolo.
Are you sure Elop is not going to come down and take a crap on your face and stop it to make his loser windows boned 7.5 a success?

pycage 2012-02-26 12:20

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Why should Elop be against flash? He's the one who sold it to Adobe in the first place. :D

lifeintheblitz 2012-02-26 12:23

Re: Is this true that the n9 will have flash with fennec ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1169591)
Hey.. it's first rela release from firefox to harmattan "maemo6". I think they try to make it even better.

I hope they could, though I am not really expecting it. The default browser honestly serves my needs anyway. Either way, of course I'm supportive of this cause.


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