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I think i have an another idea to settle that one with two dock bars on both left and right containing all the icons this will appear when swiped left or right. (turning page can be done with their respective buttons on left and right much easier then swiping to turn page)

Now about the Translations and recitation tapping problem (only in hidden mode), i think it should be like this..

Translations Button: when selected and tapped on a verse shows translation, (this automaticlly goes off when recitation is selected)

Recitation Button: when selected and tapped on a verse reads its recitation.(this automaticlly goes off when translation is selected)

(And for full surah recitation a speaker icon at the start of the surah may be better)

Bookmark: Long press (same as at present)

For Tafsir: an option in setting will on or off that function. (no need for hidden mode there, i believe)

what do you think...

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Why not make the page number clickable as it is now ? That saves an icon.

If we also move the search functionality to the index page then this saves another icon.

The result would be the current icons ;)

Upon start up. In most cases, you will want to resume reading from where you left. If you want to go to index then it's an extra click on the index button.

If we always ask the user what to do upon startup then the user has to take an extra action (Which is to tap on a button) to go to the last position. He will also have to tap on an icon in order to go to index.

This means that we introduced an extra tap for the common use case just for nothing :)

Theme support then. A set of icons and colors. The font is to remain unchanged.
I'm not going to ship SVGs with the default theme. I'll just convert them to PNG graphics without losing quality.

I'll try to sit down at some point and do the SVG icons hopefully.

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If we need to fit more icons then I can return the row that had the page number. We can then populate it with extra icons. Problem is it will waste space especially in portrait mode.

If I disable the translation button when recitation is enabled and vice versa then I'm limiting the user to one function while the application can do both at the same time.
I'm not doing that. Both should be available.

The user should also be able to start the recitation from any part. If I'm at verse 50 then the recitation starts from verse 50 until the end.

Tafsir will work exactly like translations. It is available for download from the same pages. I don't see why it should be different.

You can download multiple translations and there will be a translation icon in the toolbar to cycle between them.

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I totally agree with you.. i.e. you want to save the space at the tool bar and make the app simple and at the same time less cluttered.. and it should have all the possible functions.

for this i can only say that.. keep the toolbar as it is but for recitation and translation part i think this might work..
[Below idea is for hidden translation and tafsir only; the user has to select an option in settings for permanent translation and tafsir on/off]

A single tap for recitation (as you prefered)
A long tap on the verse should display translation, bookmark and tafsir buttons below the verse like a pop down menu or bar (i'll show an image afterwards) and the user selects the functions he/she wants, i.e. if he want to see translation with tafsir he can select those functions.

And if possible we can implement [in future] recitation for translation and tafsir [in different languages] through this method.

i also have one more suggestion that, is it possible to have two language translations, i.e. I want urdu and english, [ this can be set in the settings to select trasnlation language].

Now About the theme part, i think we need to put atleast 3 to 5 themes (different colors) embedded rather than externally because this removes any unwanted confusion for the user. we can make a color selection menu within the settings to select the color options (Blue, green, orange, white and black)


Thanks :)

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Finally got a good software to create real .svg files... not like previous embeded one.. I'll show the results later.. :)

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@MSameer: Here is a sample file to check the .svg file i created...

splash.svg

p.s. I'm still making the icons (they are square but not 50x50 pixels because svg and be scaled to fit) and other stuff...

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The SVG seems fine but I'm not entirely sure.

Back to features:
Tafsir is treated exactly as translations. They are both the same from the app point of view. No separate buttons or menus or anything.

There are 2 Arabic tafseer texts available and both are found in the translations page and could be enabled.

The option to enable multiple texts will be there. The problem is how to cycle between text as only one will be shown in the UI (Space constrains).

I had the idea of adding a translations button to the toolbar and it could be used to cycle between enabled translations. The problem is I realized that swiping to reach the next and/or previous pages can be confused with up/down. Seems I need to bring back the old next/previous buttons... This consumes all the available space and kills the dedicated translations/recitations buttons.

I'm really stuck here. The only option is to move some options to the main menu or use your brilliant idea (Add such options to the long tap menu) :)

Let's brain storm themes:
1) We can ship multiple colors/themes.
2) Adding a new theme is just a matter of dropping a few icons and an ini file to a certain directory and then enable it from the settings page.

Is that OK ?

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About the SVG i'll make some icons and post here (when completed) and you cn check them...

if you are implementing translations (meaning of a verse) and tafsir(detailed explaination with referance to historical events) together it doesnt require seperate buttons, but if the user only needs translation then the option to display only translation must be available in Settings (if and only if the tafsir is mixed with it.).

about the multiple tafsir text problem, there must be an option to select the desired tafsir text in the setting rather than cycling between them, (as this may cause confusions if pressed mistakenly).

now the next and previous problem, i think swiping to left side of the page should move sightly left and show a left icon(left arrow) to turn page left, and vice versa. this will save the space in the toolbar. (we can put a translation icon there if needed)

shipping multiple themes will be good and i agree, but adding few icons and an ini is not good for all of the public, because they cant make all the icons, nor the ini and pasting in right place is difficult. (for example: not quite possible on future phones n8,e7,c7,n9 etc (symbian/meego) )

what do you think?

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Only 1 extra text can be displayed below the Arabic verse.
That text can be a translation or a tafsir. The application doesn't even care or know. You can cycle between the available extra texts somehow using a way I don't know yet :)

Let's say you downloaded 10 translations. You enabled only 3 of them. You can cycle between all of them.

Let's say text a, b and c are enabled.
If you cycle and choose a then a becomes the default one. Next time you close and open the app a will be there by default. and so on.

I don't really understand what you want to say regarding the previous and next problem.

If you don't want to make icons and/or the configuration file for the theme. How can you create an additional theme then ? The ini file is needed for defining colors at least.

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About cycling translation or tafsir, you can add a 'T' button in the toolbar which when pressed shows a menu like the arrow button does, and it gives the option to select A(Translation, B(Translation Language B), C (Tafsir), D (Tafsir Language B).

however only one text (any of the A,B,C,D options) will appear below the arabic text.

about the next previous problem i will show you with a mock-up.

I will be making the icons and designs of all the themes, but i dont know how to make the configuration file (can you make that one). Because i'm very bad at coding ;) ..... so you make the config file for all the themes and i will provide you all the icons, buttons, etc that you will need.

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@MSameer: i have created the blue theme icons and dock bar background and some other background files. The SVG files are scalable so I did it in square format but the present png files are 112x112 px... you need to adjust them accordingly :)

link:
Icon files.zip

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Ok I finished the Blue theme and also completed the .svg of all the files... You can see the mock-up below...

Download Link: (contains all the theme files)
Final.zip

http://dc389.4shared.com/img/d2d__K1...8/7_online.png

http://dc389.4shared.com/img/8hA7IQK...8/6_online.png

http://dc389.4shared.com/img/UhW6bGu...3/5_online.png

http://dc389.4shared.com/img/QphVYLH...6/4_online.png

http://dc389.4shared.com/img/rRfZvLs...4/3_online.png

http://dc389.4shared.com/img/i8CNhR_...5/2_online.png

http://dc389.4shared.com/img/2qOp7T5...7/1_online.png


p.s. I'll be on holidays next 7 days.. so i'll not be able to edit theme files if needed.. thanks

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lovely piece of work TransTech :)

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Oh!

I missed a lot of updates. Why didn't I get any email notifications :(

@TransTech Great job. I'll check them the moment I'm done with the translation.

Seems I'm hitting a Qt limitation with the approach I've been taking for implementing the text view in general. I guess I need to step back and see what could be done...

I was also waiting for your mockup about the previous/next page navigation ?

As for any configuration files, I'll gladly do it.

I thought that we want the user to be able to create new themes but seems you are planning to ship a bunch of themes with the application.

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you can find the mock-up about the next and previous navigation in my previous post, it is like.. swiping left to show the left icon to press to turn left and vice versa..

thanks for the config files... (i'm a noob at coding.. i know very little about c++ only )

I wanted each and every member (who knows to create and put the theme files and who dont know anything about it) to experiance changing the themes as per his/her choice, so its better to bundle some 4 or 5 themes and also if possible an option to put personilized themes seperately...

i didnt understant what you mean by Qt limitation thing.. anyway that doesnt seems for me.. :)

I forgot to put this one icon yesterday.. its 2nd part of fullscreen button(close fullscreen).. it appears in place of fullscreen button when the user is in fullscreen..

here it is...

http://dc391.4shared.com/img/vtbLZe-...602/RFBlue.png


RFBlue.svg


EDIT: Still more icons for font change option (All files reattached)
Link:

Attachment 22291

please tell me if these icons are correct because only then i can work on other color themes it this one is finalized..

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0.3 came out of the autobuilder with preliminary support for translations :)

Now I guess I should start working on the theming support and solve the previous and next swipe problem.

Now that I've seen the mockup, I like the idea but changing the width of the text view will make the flick animation a bit smaller. It will also change the amount of text visible on the screen thus the user will end up with a line that is not exactly what he wanted.

We can either:
1) Make the icons semi transparent and floating above the text OR
2) Replace some buttons in the bottom toolbar with the arrows needed for navigation briefly OR
3) Show briefly a new floating toolbar with the navigation icons when you flick the page: That toolbar position should be dependent on the direction of flicking.

flick = swipe downwards or upwards.

What does everybody think ? :)

@TransTech I'd like to credit you in the about page for your work. Do you mind giving me a name and an email address to show them beside mine in the about page ? :)

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About the next and previous swipe problem i like your first idea, i.e. Make the icons semi transparent and floating above the text (and visible when swiped left or right ), and i have created a mock-up of the same with new semi transperant icons you can see in the attached files (and also below), i have one more sugesstion and that is, can we keep an option for unlimited flick (scroll) to change pages (it would be easy while reading multiple Surahs, p.s suggested by a family member) in the settings. :)

About the other two ideas 2nd one, replacing icons in the bottom tool bar and adding navigation buttons is difficult at times so i dont consider it. 3rd Idea of having a seperate floating dockbar to show navigation buttons when filcked up-down (floating dockbar at the bottom when flicked up and vice-versa) may cause unneccessary irritation because a user may accidently tap on it while flicking..

@MSameer: About crediting me in about page, i'll send you a pm about the details.. thanks :)

Atttachment:
Attachment 22300

http://www.4shared.com/photo/g3Vtr4w5/8_online.html

http://www.4shared.com/photo/PlblMWK-/2_3.html


http://www.4shared.com/photo/f8AzkxON/3_2.html

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Jazak'Allaahu khair for all the good work, this is really very much appreciated.
Not to sound like an ingrate in my first post (been following for a while, only just registered) but has anyone noticed the issues with rendering the kasara (zabar) under the noon? It seems to appear behind the letter rather than underneath it.
This is in the font that is not in TransTechs screenshots (I'm guessing that they are library pictures of the arabic?)
Jazak'Allaahu khair again for all the hard work, it is appreciated by more than those who have replied in this thread.

Wassalaams,

Satamoot

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I really want to thank you guys for sucha nice work ,it is awesomely smooth.i am dying to see the translation part and then later on Tafseer part .great great work .
1 suggestion : when we swipe for the next page ,the page doesnt get swiped as it should ,may be this is me ,but it surely takes 2 to 3 swipes (actually ) to reach the next page ,if you could make it more smooth .
jazakALLah khair .

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Thats the present font's problem in the app, the font in my mock-ups is yet to be added.. as you know the themes part which i'm working on is yet under construction...

p.s. the font and translation in mockups is directly copied from a pdf file (of) = In the Shade of the Qur'an.. (screen captured).

Thanks..

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the swipe part is going to change in next versions i.e next and previous navigation buttons will be added... you can see here how it would look..(the floating navigation dock will appear when you swipe left or right.)

http://www.4shared.com/photo/PlblMWK-/2_3.html and http://www.4shared.com/photo/f8AzkxON/3_2.html

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@MSameer: can you tell me in which format do I have to download the translations and where do I have to place them... i downloaded in .txt format with ayat no. and tried pasting in downloads, documents and MyDocs but its not working...

thanks :)

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i think you dont have to download them from any where else :$
go into settings and on the right side at the bottom there is a globe click on it and choose your language !

and then come back to the main screen and click on the globe and chose your language !

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thanks... i got it... btw i dont see any globe there but i tried tapping blindly at the bottom right corner on blue area and it showed download translation stuff... thanks..

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Thanks for your words.

As for the rendering, please mention a specific aya so I can check.

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@TransTech I guess you are not using the default theme for N900. That's why the globe is not there.

Anyway, the problem should disappear when I move to your icons :D

For all:
BTW: 0.3.1-1 has been built. It contains the new navigation bar :)

Please check it :)

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thanks Msameer for all your efforts but i have something to show and ask .
as you can see the screenshot , arabi is kinda messed up .
any solutuon for it ?
and i wanted to ask that in the upcoming future are we going to see the layout as mockups posted before ?
like separate blocks for arabi and translation ?

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Is that messed up ? That's Persian (Or Urdu) not Arabic so I cannot tell.

Seems there's no separation between the Quran text and the translation.

Do you have a font that can render it ?

As for implementing the mockups; yes it will be there soon. Might not look exactly the same but I'll do my best :)
I just need to start working on it but thought that solving the navigation problem is more important.

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well i have no issue with the separation between them , the reason why i posted the screenshot is that , take a look at the word " ARAHMAAN " zair under it is like joined in with it .
this is the thing which is messed up , i cant read exact this way .
i had the same issue with MAG's QURAN app but reinstalling fixed it .
but not sure about your one :$

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my bad , yes there is also an issue with the separation as well .
look at this image.
looks like that the translation has overlayed arabi .

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You haven't answered any of my questions so I can't help much.

Which language is it ? Which translation ?

The font used is Nokia Sans. It could be a problem with the font.

I must reproduce it in order to help.

And I cannot read that language. It's not Arabic so please help me here!

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Mash'Allah excellent app, I've not read through the previous posts so please forgive me if this has been answered previously.

Is their any posibility of being able to change the font size of the translation text, independent to the Arabic font size?


thanks once again

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yep.. i use D-Theme Aero Blue and Harmattan icons and i messed up with some other icons in hicolor too.. ;(.. anyway as for the globe icon i dont have that one in my icons... so i think i have to make that one too for the theme...

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my bad , couldn't reply that time , it was sehri time , apology for that.

it is urdu language .
well i have only chnaged the fonts using theme customizer which only changes outside font , e.g the name of the app and stuff .
but still let me try switching back to nokia sans one from theme customizer too .

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ok let me make it more simple it to you .
just ignore urdu translation .

can you see the white layer over the arabic wordings in the screenshot ?

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@Jigzy no. they both have the same size but why would you need it?

@TransTech don't make a globe icon. We can use the T one for that.

@eefo Both arabic and english work fine here. there aare multiple urdu translations. which one is it? And what's the font size you use ?

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ok... thanks

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first font size was 22 , reduced it to 20 and still the same issue .
and are 7 of them , tried all and faced the same issue .
well i think what needs to be done is to give more space between the arabi and translation .
the translation layer overlap the arabic wording at my side .

like the mockups mentioned above can be perfect for all translations .

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and yeah Msameer can you please post the screenshot of the same surah as i have posted above .
just to confirm .

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3rd page, first Urdu translation with 20 as the font size attached! I cannot see the problem there...

I don't think adding a gap is the solution The gap might be dependent on the font size and script (Arabic, English, ...) being used.

The problem should be found and corrected :)

Have you tried resetting the font using theme customizer ?