Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Okay, just FYI.

I changed the hidden=true in the .browser file.
I stopped and restarted the browser, no new menu option.
I finally thought of looking at the .browser file, it had changed back to hidden=false.

Make sure you exit the browser before editing the file.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Absolutely. The Wells Fargo access alone makes every bug I've seen worth it for me. I saw a while back that this browser was coming but couldn't get everything I needed to get it installed... so the past few weeks were sure frustrating! :D

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Unfortunately, the announcement said that Microb does not include XUL, so Firefox extensions which add/modify the UI are not going to work. I don't see a port of the Extension Manager (yet?), so I'm curious to see to what degree add-ons will be supported.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Thank you!
This Mozilla-based Browser has allowed me to sign-in and choose a station on Sirius.com, but no sound. Could not get that far with Opera.
I'm guessing that I need a plug-in or something like that.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Overall I'm impressed with the browser, I hope the recent firmware update and now this new browser is the start of a nice stream of updates and enhancements we can look forward to... Once the kinks are worked out of this new browser it will definitely be an improvement....

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I applaud Nokia for engaging the community by releasing beta-ish software for public trial and feedback. The software is, as noted by Nokia, far from a 1.0 release state. By releasing this software, they give us a chance to benefit from it early and for us to find bugs that would not likely encounter through what seems to me to be an under-sized internal software QA program. Make sure that in using the software, if you encounter bugs/rendering errors, etc. that you report them officially by using bugzilla and not just gripe about them on the board. I know that a lot of Nokia's developers hang out here, but a post reply is not the same thing as a detailed bug report.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

This makes me sad, but hopeful. What are the chances Flash 9 support would come with this, should 2007HE incorporate this update?

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Yeah, yeah...this is all great...but all just part of Nokia blowing the iPhone race. The n800 (I have one and a 770) is just a disabled iPhone-category superphone. It is insane that I cannot simply connect with Sprint Power Vision...that I have to grub around searching for somebody's unprotected Wifi node. YIKES! Are we ABSOLUTELY SURE that the n800 doesn't have cell circuits in it??!! We never suspected that it had FM radio. So...this is all good news...but we are ohhhing and ahhhing over a piece of hardware that has been made obsolete by the iPhone. Until Nokia has the balls to put a phone in the n800 (SAME SCREEN PLEASE)...we'll just be messing around with a clever, but outdated, piece of gear. Sorry Nokia...but that's how I see it.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I totally agree 100%, and everyone should be aware that this is unfinished, untested, beta (even alpha) quality "Developer" software (aimed at Developers, not end users) and set their expectations accordingly. If it doesn't work, screws up a device (requiring a reflash) or messes up other applications - too bad, that's why it's Beta (file a bug!) :)

Nokia are concious of the fact they normally only release polished and well tested applications to end users and this "release early, release often" approach is new for them and they don't want end users trying out beta software and going away disappointed, thinking that Nokia are releasing poor quality software for Internet Tablets.

Test this Beta software only if you are prepared for the consequences! :)

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Nonsense Post of The Day (NPTD).

Good luck using an iPhone on Sprint by the way (oh no, that won't work either). There's probably a technical reason (your cellular phone, perhaps?) which may explain your problems with the N800/770 on Sprint... but it's always easier to bash the N800 isn't it, particularly when you think it's "in a race" with the iPhone. Sigh.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I hope they release an update to fix these critical bugs soon. The browser is a big step towards web 2.0, I hope this is one of many great additions to come.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

^ seconded (Milhouse). When are these folks going to realize the iPhone and N800 overlap in some areas but are NOT in the same market space?

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Sadly, it won't be until the Internet Tablet has an actual purpose. Don't take that as a bashing, I have mine, I modded it, and I use it, but in the eyes of the market, it's still desperately reaching to find its purpose in life. What is it really for?

Once they've got a target (is it consumers? geeks? engineers? WHO?!) then it will stand for better comparisons.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I didn't originally had this option but after the edit, it has now appeared. Strange..

In general, there are some bugs like the keyboard appearing when you scroll down the page with the button etc. , but the most annoying is that it loads the pages much slower (when compared to Opera). The cashing though works excellent.

As another poster said, i am curious to know if the slower loading is because of the device's settings or from the beta code of Mozilla?:confused:

EDIT: Forgot to add that I agree with Milhouse and I didnt intended to critisize at all. I am super happy with both the RTCOMM and Mozilla additions. Many thanks to the guys for sharing.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Okay, my lack of xterm knowledge is about to become very apparent. Once I get vi statement entered, and a list of items appears, how do I toggle the false to true? I tried entering text and it wouldn't let me. Do I need to be root, or am I missing something obvious?

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Well, the purpose is and will increasingly be general, so I don't see a singular purpose being identified. Even "internet tablet" is too narrow, as many people have said here numerous times. So IMO that's how it needs to be presented: "Here's everything this little wonder can do. YOU define how much of that broad scope is applicable to your needs. Enjoy!"

I think the ultimate target is anyone wanting most of a laptop's core functionality with a lot less of its bulk. That's certainly me, and with the advent of the new browser, it's almost there as far as I'm concerned. This morning I used my N800 as my laptop and the only thing I couldn't do that I needed to was see my Outlook personal folders. Well, that's not a showstopper for me.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I would propose to install LeafPad. Its much easier to use, like notepad ;)

Then in xterm type:
leafpad .browser

and voila..

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

My personal take on iPhone is that its primary purpose was to replace the aging iPod. Today less people want to carry on multiple devices, and integrating the mobile media player (iPod) and cell phone together makes a lot of sense. On the other hand Nokia (and other cell phone manufacturers) has been doing the same in 'reverse' since they are adding media player capabilities to cell phones... (Didn't I read in some news that Nokia is actually worlds biggest portable MP3 player AND digital camera manufacturer, due to the fact that both of these functions are now part of most Nokia phones sold?) Because of that Apple had no choice but to introduce the new iPod with phone capabilities, thus the name iPhone.

And it does not end here: Today more people use mobile internet and adding the Internet capabilities to iPhone is absolutely must for that device to success... just like most advanced cell phones have.

The N800 is best defined as a mobile phone companion to provide big screen Internet end terminal to compliment mobile data plan. As it is open for third party SW developers lots of other software have been written to it and the "Internet tablet" definition is becoming more blurry...

In the end I do not see N800 and iPhone as direct competitors. The iPhone makes more sense to "general public" wanting to carry one single all-in-one device. The N800 makes more sense to people who already have nice and small (fitting in pants pocket) cell phone and do not always need to carry "Internet terminal" with them, but only when needed. I belong to the latter category... :rolleyes:

Last note that this is MY OPINION and not trying to force you to believe the same... :cool:

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

so what (the hell) is this "i cant't see the switch browser engine option", "google maps (etc.) is NOT working with new browser (as is did even on opera)"?
both matches my situation and the people here are separeted into "works almost fine" and "oh no! switch back!! (if i only could!!!)" fractions.
is this realy caused by restoring my backup? wasn't this the recommended way by nokia? how else can i get back all my config stuff, if not by restoring? and why is this natural thing such a big mistake at all?
thanks steffen

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I think Nokia have pretty much come clean and declared this an exploratory device. I think they more interested in Maemo development for future devices than this generations N800 sales numbers. Nokia considers itself an "Internet Company" not a mobile phone manufacturer and so with this class of device they are attempting to see what the market wants as far as MID's and how the market reacts to open source software. When you ask what is this device for, you might as well ask what is the internet for?

This device is supposed to bring the value of the internet to a smaller portable device (just watch that N800 video on your IT). This Mozilla based browser is a huuuuge step in the right direction as most things on the internet are compatible with IE and Mozilla. The ability to run internet based apps and widgets based on a core that thousands of developers optimize for is the right move instead of relying on web standards like Opera does, which although nice in a perfect world ultimately is not realistic.

This device is not really ready for mass consumption but I think the hardware is close. There are many uses for it but in its core use as an internet access device its almost there.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Just a followup. I have no problems at all with the 800 or 770.
They work just fine...if I am in somebody's tiny Wifi cloud. I'm sure not bashing the 800 or 770...I have had hundreds of enjoyable hours with them, especially on Internet Radio.

I AM bashing Nokia for not making the 800 a fabulous, always connected, beautiful-screen, highly capable superphone. With cell circuits (hopefully on a faster network than Cingular) the 800 phone IS directly comparable to the iPhone. That's the point. In fact, in a whole list of ways, it is BETTER and more capable than the iPhone. In fact, I would buy an 800 Superphone before I'd buy an iPhone any day of the week.

Shouldn't we all have an always-connected, high-speed 800?

I made the prior post because I don't want Nokia to sit smugly by, reading all the praise for this latest small improvement.

I want them to be the great, innovative Nokia that they have been, and should be. GIVE US an 800 with full telephone capability! It would leapfrog Treo, Blackberry, Moto, AND iphone. JUST DO IT!!!

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

In addition, is it any surprise that the iPhone is locked down so tight? Third party software is verbotten, because the carriers are concerned about protecting their networks and network revenue.

As soon as Nokia add a phone to the Internet Tablets, they either ditch third party development or ditch carrier support along with carrier subsidies - one or the other, you can't have both. OpenMoko may be open but I doubt it will have wide spread carrier support.

I love the iPhone UI, I think it's great and I'm really glad to see it re-energising the somewhat staid mobile phone market but it isn't a competitor to the Internet Tablets. :)

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Sorry it's not working for you, but may I suggest you reflash and stay away from software that is advertised as NOT being end-user ready in future?

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Easy Peasy. To insert text in vi type i then make your edits. When you're done you can save and quit by hitting the escape thumb key, "the button on the top above the home and menu keys," then type :wq and hit return to write the file and quit vi.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Mine already is always connected... via WiFi or Bluetooth (and my 3G/HSDPA mobile phone).

Consider this:

iPhone - staggered launches around the globe, individual negotiations with cellular operators who impose their requirements on the devices final functionality, software locked, individual country radio emissions compliance testing, works only on 2G EDGE

Internet Tablet - global launch (apart from most of Asia), no cellular operator interference, open source development, FCC testing is good enough for most countries, works with phones on all networks from 2G GSM through to 3.5G HSDPA.

Nokia had good reasons NOT to include a phone in the Internet Tablets, and I for one agree with their choice as I can choose my own mobile phone (which doesn't have to be a Nokia) and I also don't have to hold a brick to the side of my head (the N800 has a large screen and is therefore itself quite large!) when I want to make a phone call! :)

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

great!
thanks

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Alternatively, try this:

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Dude, that is so politically incorrect it slams political correctness right up the arse from behind.

I love it... :p

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

All in all, the microb browser is a good move. For now though I find it too slow, sometimes there are long pauses etc. So I'm back to Opera, which is snappy in comparision. I switch to microb for those few places where microb works better (one of those is for some weird reason the web interface of my wireless router). Looking forward to upcoming versions, all hail the Nokia team!

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

MicroB is still beta. Crashes when zooming and i think it's little bit slower than Opera. But it's quick and easy to switch engines from menu. I still want Opera 9.

Hope they can fix speed problems and crashing. Release early, release often!

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I would like to use this add-on, but it is in the .xpi format, need it in the .deb format.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3546

When do you think that Firefox/Mozilla add-ons will work for the N800?

This new Mozilla-based browser has taken the N800 to the next level of coolness.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

If I promise to take back everything I said about Nokia
yesterday, would y'all please tell me how to switch back
to the Opera browser....I am surely one of those wimps
that should have known better....I WANT MY GOOGLE MAPS!!

There was mention of being able to switch back and forth
on the "the menu"...but I'll be durned if I can find it.

THANKS....

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

That's what I have copied and saved:

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

If you find any reproducible bugs, please ensure they are raised in Bugzilla, as requested.

Consider it part of the "contract" for getting pre-release software to play with.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I installed yesterday. Things looked good. But now I'm having network problems (wifi connection is OK, and my wifi-connected laptop has no problems at all over the same network). Even when changing to Opera engine, problem remains. RSS-feeds disappeared. Uninstalling the Mozilla files didn't solve the problem.
Details of connections and accounts are still OK.
Does anyone have an idesa what I should do to solve this?

Re: New (beta) Mozilla-based N800 Browser!
 

yeah, docs works, but is a little bit buggy,
but it is a real start to be usable.

spreadsheets is too buggy. i tested with a lot
of sheets, and no one loads...

what is a little bit jerky with docs is the way
it manages the windows scroll bar. in docs the
scrollbars are not managed directly by the browser
some there's a lot of interroperability with them.
when using docs, you have to use a bluetooth keyboard
to prevent the touch keyboard to popup, reducing
dramaticaly the view on the document...


i'm happy for this step forward, but it is no
completly usable in some cases...

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

Don't know if this will work for everyone... but for those of you saddened by the loss of Google Maps, I noticed that if "Fit Width to View" is checked, the tiles weren't drawn (grey). Unchecked, it worked nicely. Anyone else found this to be true?

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I've found that I have to toggle that setting depending on the website.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I have issue that I can not toggle the browser engine (Opera/MicroB). I had to edit the .browser file manually to get first the menu option to show up... and now the option is there but does nothing... I have to manually edit the .browser file to select between the browser engines. Anybody same issues?

I did restore backup after flashing the new OS... If that is confirmed to be causing this behavior.

Re: Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800
 

I'm delighted! Every site that didn't work before, now works just like on my desktop. I'm not having any problems with google maps either. Maybe it's a memory issue - I have an 8gb internal card with 128mb vram configured and google maps works just fine. :D