Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

no it doesn't.

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

But will be supporting after firmware update.

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

From all the reviews I've read.....
The Titan seems like a better option overall, even the Focus S to-some-extent.
The unique "Nokia only" apps are no longer Nokia only...

So there's now zilch significant advantages (hw or sw-wise) that it has over either.
Unless you're one of those 'art farty' types that prefers form over function.
BQ of both is solid, their cellular reception might not be quite as good as the L800's.
But the differences probably won't be noticeable in RW terms.

There's heaps of apps, & growing by the day....
Whether there's enough or exactly what you want, depends on you the user.
If you're basing your assumption of 'lack of support' on the N900 experience, then you're mistaken.
You need to do a bit more reading about the N9, & what Nokia has said etc.

If after much more reading you still feel it's not for you...
One of the marquee Android devices is a 'no brainer': SGSII, SGNote, SGN, Droid Razr, Rezound, SGSIII (should be out Q1).
I'm personally waiting for more info about the SGSIII, I'll wait for a few more SGN reviews, but I don't think it's good enough.
Better than the Razr, maybe even slightly better overall than the Rezound (debatable), but not enough of a stand-out overall.

Even the iP4S is a very solid option....
Nokia WP's won't (may) be truly compelling till WP8x*, for now they're just 'scratching their arse'.

*Sept or Q4 2012.

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

I think you will be surprised when you see the sales numbers after Christmas. Titan's got nothing in terms of sales numbers.

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Nokia's made clear they've no intention of releasing detailed sales no's any time soon.
All we've heard is spin from their marketing specialists etc.
There's no way you or anyone could know exactly how well it's selling at this point.

If anything, I would expect the Titan to be doing better...
It's been out longer, and it's in some key markets that Lumia's not coming to, yet.

But my point still remains... Sales success or not it's nothing special.
In fact build-quality/aesthetics aside (Focus S & Titan aren't bad in that area), it's mediocre next to it's WP competitors.
The real supposed "magic" won't be deliverable till Sep. or Q4 2012.

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

I agree with your facts, but the conclusions might be different.
I'd say that a good majority of customers don't read reviews, don't look for magic or anything.
They follow ads (and at least here in the UK, the 800's got plenty), and they buy whatever looks OK when they are in the shop. Here, the 800's hardware, just by being "different" might also help a lot.
Just because you see it on the wall among the competition will help it a lot, even if it is actually a not so good smartphone.

Absolutely not a competitor to the iphone and the various GS, but I think it might actually sell quite well compared to the other WP7 offers.

But I guess we'll never know ;)

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

I bought lg optimus 7 recently, not officially launched in india, but I got an unlocked one.So obviously I cannot update the firmware, but i updated wp7 to mango and it's really cool.It's damn fast and iphone interface seems dull in front of metro UI. Sure I will get nokia lumia 710(800 is expensive), to get more of wp7 mango. Really in love with wp7, so I support Elop decision now to go with MS :). Finally I got a choice between IOS and android

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Only problem is I could have used my n900 as pendrive, with it's mass 32 gb storage, but wp7 only works with zune to sync content.

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LOLZ at ndi (below). You clearly only have eyes for MS/WP7x.
Trying to argue that Nokia can't do OS's PERIOD, & the ONLY option is for MS to do all of the top-end.
You rant with little substance about why WP7/L800 is so amazing, & why it's way better than Maemo6x/N9.
Then you tack-on a cute little "I own 3x N9's", as if that adds some kind of authority to what you're saying.
Nice try, but your massive bias is clear for all to see...
Which is even more amusing when you accuse others of being biased.

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

@HomesIckAlien

L800 is MS-oriented, but not locked in the MS ecosystem. It integrates well with other stuff, like Google's mail, contacts and calendar, also imports and exports to standard, honest-to-God CVS and the like via the cross-platform web interface.

It is oriented, VERY oriented to MS, but the Zune software only manages videos and music (and podcasts), nothing phone-like. In fact, you can go ahead and skip Zune altogether. I did. In fact, I recommend it. Zune software is for Zune.

Bright side, you're free of Nokia PC Suite/ Nokia Ovi Suite/ Nokia Suite/Ovi/Ovi Store/dead OVI files. See? Less is more when it comes to Nokia software.

A rare point of view around these parts. I did get the L800, and it's a beautiful phone, with many innovations compared to other OSs, good integration, easy setup and a butter-smooth UI.

Now, whether or not colored squares are your thing that's another story, and so is the fact that WP7 is still young.

I really, really wanted to review the L800 against N9 and the latest Symbian/iOS/Android have to offer, but frankly, fewer and fewer people care - today's phones are in a race the likes of which has never been seen before, both in hardware and software and TMO is mainly an N900 user forum.

So I'm not going to. I'll say this, though: It's a lovely device, something that Nokia can actually be proud of, a device that can actually measure up to the usual yardstick, the sour grapes, the iStuff.

I know some people here cling to the last few straws, but the fact remains that Nokia can't code. Never has Nokia done a phone that had excellent software. Never have I had a phone with a Nokia brand that didn't have software bugs, problems, late or missing updates.

They just stink.

OTOH, I never had a Nokia that dropped calls. It's high time they used their decades of experience in building phones to -finally- build phones and let a software company do the software. iOS was never going to come, Android has its problems. Mainly, that lately all it does is copy over the shoulder of Apple.

Wp7 is a fresh look on things, a new UI, with hubs, live tiles, is freakishly fast, and doesn't seem to hold a grudge that you have accounts on other sites. It comes with 25G of online storage, complete with immediate and automatic uploading of media as it comes along, another 5 as sync scratch space, web-based assists for on-phone data (yes, Google did that before).

People seem to have a horrified look on their face when they find out it keeps data at Microsoft or that it uses Bing, making the phone dependent on some MS services. And I don't understand. I need online services, I need mail and search, I want them. And frankly, who would you rather depend on, Nokia? Besides, you still have Box client if you are so inclined.

I want problems fixed, I want file storage, I want speed and smoothness, and I'm tired of looking at a hung "wait" animation. Nokia can't give me any of those.

I may be old. I can't stand that 18 year old that rings me from Nokia when I say their Store doesn't work to tell me that it does (what do I know?). The only time I want to see Nokia's door is when I have a hardware problem. They're good with that. I'm tired of waiting for monolithic updates with undisclosed dates. I'm tired of hopping platforms to get what I want.

I want a phone that is build with experience, well balanced, reliable and a bit of class. The Galaxy Nexus looks like it's flat luggage. Yes, yes, function over form and all that. Why can't I have both? MUST it be ugly?

I want software that is not iOS, nor a copy of iOS. I don't like the central button, I don't like the round icons in a grid, it's been here 20 years, I don't like the bar at the bottom that shows running tasks (that don't really run), and I don't like the "free" desktop thing that wants so desperately to give the impression of space that it uses the smallest discernible icons, the smallest possible text and writing that is set against a desktop one can barely see due to lack of contrast. Desktops work well on desktop computers, with precise mice and 27 inches of HD goodness. On a small screen, you need high contrast, big buttons and decent text with a uniform background.

I want a Nokia built phone, with an OS that isn't boasting an i at the beginning (real or fake), with a fresh view on things and that doesn't keep me waiting.

I guess I want a Lumia 800.

And yes, I heard the criticism. Some true, some not. No front facing camera. A lot of good that did on N900. Oh well, some people do use it. Fair enough. It's the fanboism I could live without. N9 (and, by extension, Lumia 800) lost 9-1 in a comparison with iPhone 4S. Power of marketing, I suppose.

Wikipedia sums it up nicely: This is what's wrong with the (PC) world today. Dear PCWorld: iPhone 4S does not have anything extraordinary to offer when compared to the current top smartphones like the iPhone 4S and Galaxy Nexus. iPhone 4S not the thinnest or fastest of phone, nor has it the best camera or extra features (no expandable storage, no HDMI, no NFC).

See?

This is not how devices work. This is not a length contest, and having one longer member does not make anyone superior, especially if attached to an idiot. Stop comparing lengths. Size matters only when all other things are equal or similar. You could have a freight train if you are a small, bald, fat, shriveled old man who doesn't shower (and owns an iPhone - stab!).

So people. I own one, I fiddled with it, turned everything on, and off, logged on and off, linked it to accounts, PCs, everything but drop it. I also have 3 N9s, and I would get a lot more thanks and approval if I said that was the greatest.

If it is in your price range, go to a shop, fiddle with it. You can read reviews 'till the cows come home, it won't help until you see the screen, push the buttons, get a feel. It's an entirely new experience, an animated, high contrast, simple and robust UI, behind a nice piece of glass. Youtube doesn't count. You can't observe a 60 FPS UI through a 15 FPS movie, nor an 800x480 pixel AMOLED over a 300x400 overcompressed MPEG on an old LCD monitor.

I'm saying see it. It will not be wasted time.

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

just been to a t-mobile uk shop and the guy said it doesn't sell well (the 800).
Let's see when real sales figures are availlable (if ever), but I see more adds than actual phones in the hands of people.

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

I must admit that lumia 800 is pretty awesome. Shame that maemo just don't have "the ecosystem", I'd prefer my N950 loan device because of the swipe if it would have access to my Xbox live, office documents etc with such ease that WP 7.5 provides.

It is still shame that this device shares model number with N800 (mine still working fine btw)

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

amazing >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOBthU7QrVw

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

It's ok, men but not for that prize. I just bought a omnia w. Half prize to lumia 800. The nokia phone have only 500 more ram. other than that it's the same or omnia w is better. you have to be pretty strange to buy lumia 800 ;)

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

Here's a tech journalist, presumably fairly widely read, who is not a fan of the Lumia 800 a month after using it as his daily driver.

I've used Lumia now for about week. Not as my main phone as I don't have a Sim for it yet. But as a quick verdict: it's nice. Vet smooth. But it's boring. Compared to harmattan, which is exciting to use, it's just boring. Some of the apps are very nice and the metro interface has good things in it.

I will try using it as my main phone for few weeks, maybe I can give a more refined opinion then.

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

a small hint: I am from Finland. Only instance selling lumias in Finland has been some company who have gray-imported some kind of batch of devices, my device isn't from them....

but still your omnia is damn poor without nokia drive and maps. and this is bad for omnia: it looks just like nokia N70,
it might look like this after an year or two
http://cdn-static.lowyat.net/uploads...2956_thumb.jpg

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

exactly! that is sometimes just nice. I prefer atm onenote + skydrive over contributing to conboy for harmattan git in order to make it good enough for daily use + writing scripts to sync conboy files to my shell....

Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 

That is almost always nice for me, in the context you're describing it, because I don't have time to tinker much with my devices to get them to work as I want them.

But that's not what I meant with boring. I meant the basic operating system. Harmattan is a joy to use with swiping, feeds view, multi-tasking etc. Instead WP7 is to me quite boring, and the workflow is kind of linear. I got none of the excitement I got when I started using Harmattan.

I didn't mean there isn't many things in WP7 that I find better than in Harmattan. But it's mainly just some apps that are more nice or more feature complete. Regardless of individual applications, I find using the OS a drag compared to Harmattan. Trying to multi-task and switching between applications is such a frustrating experience, and that's what I do a lot with my phone.