maemo.org - Talk - [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Actually, I have been (slowly) trying to build up a list of devices alongside the list of keysets, to provide an alternative way to set up the buttons in Pierogi. (That is, in fact, what is behind the currently nearly-useless filter-keyset-by-device option in the keyset selection window; I've got each keyset object registering the names and types of devices that are known to work with that object's codes.)

But it'll be quite a while before that list becomes very useful. :)

(BTW, I really should ask folks to tell me the make and model of devices that work with Pierogi, so I can register them in the list. Let me go put that on the first post...)

I mentioned double bursting codes earlier as a way to increase range. This is done by using short bust of codes and then subsequently a long bust there after. This creates a optical pump affect that can be useful to increase range with some IR receivers.

To your above...
Well in that case in might be worth noting that that configuration set also works with the DTX9950 and 9980 as well.
I'm sure that there are also some duplicate model receivers that also work with one or other keysets.

At work we have a digital receiver box too which is made by hauppauge, If it would be helpful i could try and find a working configuration for that as well.

Also, some other thoughts...

Are you planning to build in a macro feature into your program ? One that has timed events would be extremely helpful especially at the gym.

I have some other thoughts as well, such as tying Lirc commands in with RDS streams and channel dropping/flipping ability which would tie into macros.

All in all I would love the ability to just leave my phone on the night stand and let it flip through the pre-defined channels i set giving me the ability to rule out ("drop") channels as i go along using only a single button click.
This is something i've never been able to do with qt.

Let me know your thoughts, thanks again!

Copernicus

2012-02-13 22:21

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian_7 (Post 1164645)

Wiil it help you a little if i tell you which TV models i have?

Possibly; I've gotta admit, I can't seem to find much data on Philips or Admiral at all, but anything I can feed into the various search engines on the net can't hurt. :)

And, as has been recently mentioned, you can pull codes right off of existing remotes. The LIRC server has that ability (when running on a PC with an IR receiver), and I think you can get the codes off of some types of "learning" universal remotes too. So there's always some way to do it, with enough effort...

Copernicus

2012-02-13 22:38

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by anyonebutthis (Post 1164651)

Interesting; I've gotta admit, I don't understand exactly how that would work. I'm pretty sure that sort of thing would break the signal repetition mechanism for most of the protocol definitions I've seen; the receiving device would think that the user had pressed the key twice, rather than held down on it...

Quote:

Are you planning to build in a macro feature into your program ? One that has timed events would be extremely helpful especially at the gym.

I'm not really sure about adding that sort of thing to the graphical interface (at least not in the immediate future), but I am thinking about providing a command-line interface to the Pierogi back-end code. That should allow folks to run scripts or cron jobs of commands, much as you are talking about. Admittedly, though, you can just run the LIRC server to do that sort of thing already. :)

Quote:

All in all I would love the ability to just leave my phone on the night stand and let it flip through the pre-defined channels i set giving me the ability to rule out ("drop") channels as i go along using only a single button click.

Hmm. That does sound nice, but it also sounds quite a bit beyond my current user interface coding ability. :) Let me think about it a while...

anyonebutthis

2012-02-13 22:59

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

I tried both philco/nec and some other generic sets that where mentioned but still nothing. (unless i missed something)??? I was able to get the generic sony keyset to work with the tv itself.

....
Can the proximity or pos sensors on the n900 be used as a rx for Lirc server?

Brian_7

2012-02-13 23:11

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1164656)

I have an IR receiver, but i think that my rabbits cut the cable :(

I will be so busy these weeks, when i have time i will see if i can do that.

J4ZZ	2012-02-13 23:19

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

1 Attachment(s)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1164436)

I do have about a half-dozen "factory codes" for the LG TV Keyset #1, but I'm kinda nervous about putting them in the UI; you can really damage your TV if you don't know what you are doing. I suppose I could make a special "Do not use unless you know what you are doing!" window, or some such...

For sure, you're right, but I guess everybody knows the rules and wouldn't risk a bricked TV.
And in most cases you use the EZ_adjust only once or twice for unlock usb support on xxLH3000 or xxLH20 LCDs and/or to unlock disabled THX Cinema video profile on LF/LG/LH series. And of curse you won't ever need to downgrade your firmware anymore when bying a new tv with some of these options disabled.
For interested people; read here and here.

I found the Service_menu file from the LIRC database didn't work, but the RAW code from the wiki did (at least on my xxLH5000) so I packed my qtirreco folder from /home/user/MyDocs in case you could need the *.conf files. (If anyone else wants to try them, these files are for qtirreco and tested and working at least with LG xxLH5000)

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...0/IMG_0594.jpg

Greetz,

J4ZZ

sixwheeledbeast

2012-02-13 23:27

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1164639)

I really should ask folks to tell me the make and model of devices that work with Pierogi, so I can register them in the list.

This can be arranged, I can access a good few TV's ... but where's best to post the info as this threads going to get mad with people putting up TV models etc..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian_7 (Post 1164678)

I have an IR receiver, but i think that my rabbits cut the cable :(

Ah the joys of a house bun! Finding your micro SD data cable has been nibbled, just when you want to add new tracks to your N900. :rolleyes:

qwazix

2012-02-14 00:09

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1164572)

That's the only keyset available in the LIRC config files, but I've found one more in the hifi-remotes website. I'll try to decipher that one. (For some reason, that one looks like it has more than two dozen codes; do you know how many buttons there are/were on your A/C's original remote?)

I think yes, on both machines. I know for certain that LIRC folks are using MCE receivers with the LIRC server; that is, in fact, the main purpose of LIRC to begin with, to allow you to interact with a PC with an infrared remote control. I've gotta admit, though, that I don't know enough about it. I've really only played with IR on the N900. :)

(I really need to start doing this myself, I've still got a few remotes lying around the house here that I'd like to get keysets for...)

there are 10 keys on my remote. The unit is about 2.5 years old and the model number is AQV24NSAN.

anyonebutthis

2012-02-14 00:15

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

If anyone here has access to a large amount of TV's/receivers (for instance if you work in a electronics store or something like that) , I can send you out a palm clie for IR code recording.

I've got a couple extra palm devices hanging around collecting dust.
Let me know.

Omniremote can record codes and if you have SIR/FIR capable IR port on your PC or laptop you should be able to also record codes with Lirc

qwazix

2012-02-14 00:16

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast (Post 1164684)

This can be arranged, I can access a good few TV's ... but where's best to post the info as this threads going to get mad with people putting up TV models etc..

Ah the joys of a house bun! Finding your micro SD data cable has been nibbled, just when you want to add new tracks to your N900. :rolleyes:

You can always create a wiki page.

As a wild thought, we could use the main camera in a dark room for learning. The camera captures IR, so we just need a program to analyze the picture and capture the bright spot when it lights.

Copernicus

2012-02-14 00:51

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by anyonebutthis (Post 1164676)

Can the proximity or pos sensors on the n900 be used as a rx for Lirc server?

I don't think so... You need both the ability to catch rather short pulses (in the range of hundreds of microseconds) along with a fairly accurate system for clocking those pulses; everything in IR today is about the timing. None of the various sensors on the N900 is really set up for that sort of thing.

Copernicus

2012-02-14 00:58

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by J4ZZ (Post 1164681)

Hmm. I do have the EZ_adjust code (among others) for at least a few types of LG TV. Actually, if you only need to use it once or twice, it might be more useful for me to just create an alternate UI for that purpose (whether command-line or otherwise), something you'd only run when you wanted to access these potentially dangerous commands. I'd still prefer to keep the main UI relatively free of any codes that could harm devices...

And in any case, it sounds like having a scriptable interface to Pierogi would be handy, regardless. :)

Copernicus

2012-02-14 01:03

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast (Post 1164684)

This can be arranged, I can access a good few TV's ... but where's best to post the info as this threads going to get mad with people putting up TV models etc..

I'll certainly take any you can give me! :) (Through PMs or such.) There's also the Pierogi mini-forum provided for free when I registered the project in the Garage:

https://garage.maemo.org/forum/?group_id=2286

And, as qwazix mentioned, a Wiki would work as well; Maemo.org has a vast amount of Wiki pages already, I'm sure they wouldn't mind adding one or two more. :)

J4ZZ	2012-02-14 01:04

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Good idea... I'll be fine with this ;-)

Cheers,

J4ZZ

Copernicus

2012-02-14 01:10

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1164699)

As a wild thought, we could use the main camera in a dark room for learning. The camera captures IR, so we just need a program to analyze the picture and capture the bright spot when it lights.

Ah, unfortunately, just seeing the light is not enough. IR protocols encode everything in the timing; the exact amount of time that the LED is on and the exact amount of time that it is off is how each bit of data is represented. I don't think the camera can catch video nearly quickly enough to store those timings. :(

Copernicus

2012-02-14 01:18

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1164695)

there are 10 keys on my remote. The unit is about 2.5 years old and the model number is AQV24NSAN.

Oh wow, that _is_ a fancy air conditioner. And yeah, the keyset I've currently got doesn't match the keys on the remote, but the config file from the hifi-remotes website looks like it might be a match. (It looks like each key on the remote can take on three or four different values. This protocol will be fun to decipher. :) ) I'll cobble together a keyset out of it and see what you think...

EDIT: This protocol will be _real_ fun to decipher. If you're interested, take a look at the real IR experts scratching their heads over it in this thread. :)

anyonebutthis

2012-02-14 02:42

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

As a wild thought, we could use the main camera in a dark room for learning. The camera captures IR, so we just need a program to analyze the picture and capture the bright spot when it lights.

qwazix , i'd be interested in your thoughts on things.
PM me if you want to collaborate on something like this!

They have been able to get the n900 to scan a human brain for cryin out loud, i don't see how this can't be possible.

Copernicus

2012-02-14 06:04

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

FYI, another Pierogi update should be working its way into extras-devel. This one has the mapping of the volume rocker switch to Pierogi's favorite keyset list; it seems to work ok, but I'm not sure how easy it is to use -- there's very little feedback about what you are doing, unless you are on the main tab. Maybe it could use a pop-up displaying the name of the newly chosen keyset? Anyway, I'm hoping to get some feedback about this.

Also in this update, new keysets for Digital Stream and Emerson, and an additional Admiral keyset. (From digging around in the hifi-remotes website, I discovered that at least one Admiral TV uses the Philips RC5 protocol, so I pieced one together by hand put it in the Admiral file. I also learned that at least one Philco TV uses the same protocol as an Emerson TV, so I figured I should throw some of those in and see if they worked...)

As always, this is fresh code in the extras-devel repository, be wary of new bugs! Thanks.

farland

2012-02-14 07:09

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1164763)

Hi Copernicus,
I have not used the Pierogi yet. I just downloaded this morning. I have TV with brand Polytron. Do you mind to please accommodate my wish?:)

thanks in advance

ioncelmare

2012-02-14 12:09

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

copernicus, i think the ideea with repeated IR signal is a nice one. as i know, for samsung at least, does not matter if the signal is repeated, because the tv response is preety slow.
also, due to some hardware issues of the n900 ( meaning the positioning of infrared port, the angle of signal distribution ) it's not working wery well as a remote, making necessary pressing many times for a command.
what i think that u could do, is to make an option in settings for repeating signal, maybe some options there regarding the repetition rate. or to integrate this according to different tv marks.

why i say that? because i own a phillips and a samsung, and their answer on remote is different. samsung is taking each command and make-it ( changing the channel one by one is a small disaster, untill does not show the next channel he don't take next command from remote ), phillips is changing as many channels as u want, depending on how many press u have.
i hope u undestand what i wanted to say.

good luck, ans congratulation for program. it have a lot of potential.

sixwheeledbeast

2012-02-14 14:00

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1163264)

One more request: if it isn't too much of a bother, I would love to know which specific devices actually do work with Pierogi. The LIRC config files don't concern themselves with anything but remote control codes, so I don't myself know what models of device work with what keysets. If you could send me a note to tell me the particular make and model of a device when it is working with a particular keyset, that would be great.

Will this help? Feel free to edit it as required (thrown it together quick).
http://wiki.maemo.org/Pierogi_Device_Compatibility_List

Copernicus

2012-02-14 14:06

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by farland (Post 1164780)

I have TV with brand Polytron.

Wow, I am coming up completely empty on Polytron. Nothing in either the LIRC files or the hifi-remotes website. This one may take some effort...

Copernicus

2012-02-14 14:16

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by ioncelmare (Post 1164858)

copernicus, i think the ideea with repeated IR signal is a nice one.

Actually, Pierogi automatically repeats every command for as long as you hold the button down. It really has to -- every IR protocol I've seen so far requires that each command always be repeated for as long as the user holds down the button. In fact, they even specify the exact rate at which commands be repeated, so you can't really speed up or slow down how often you send the signal.

Quote:

why i say that? because i own a phillips and a samsung, and their answer on remote is different. samsung is taking each command and make-it ( changing the channel one by one is a small disaster, untill does not show the next channel he don't take next command from remote ), phillips is changing as many channels as u want, depending on how many press u have.

Hmm. Do you get the same results when you use the remotes that came with those TVs? If the Samsung works correctly using its own remote, the odds are there's a bug in the Pierogi code somewhere. Otherwise, I'm not sure Pierogi can do anything that the original remote could not do...

Quote:

good luck, ans congratulation for program. it have a lot of potential.

Thanks! I'll keep working on it. :)

Copernicus

2012-02-14 14:20

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast (Post 1164896)

Will this help? Feel free to edit it as required (thrown it together quick).
http://wiki.maemo.org/Pierogi_Device_Compatibility_List

Nice! Let me go ahead and enter the devices I know about so far...

fw190

2012-02-14 15:50

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

I've tested the new version on my Daewoo and had no luck but I can report that pierogi works ok for Panasonic Viera.

Ps. on the Daewo remote is states R-59B01

HtheB

2012-02-14 16:56

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1164427)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1164351)

Is it possible to add those "Chinese universal remotes"?
I'm talking about these remotes:

??? I'm not sure what you mean. Pierogi is a universal remote...

How can I find which remote codes I will have to pick?

Copernicus

2012-02-14 17:04

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1165002)

How can I find which remote codes I will have to pick?

At the moment, the only way to choose a remote code in Pierogi is to go to the drop-down menu, tap "select keyset", scroll through the list of available keysets, and tap on one of them to select it. You can filter the list by the make of the device you are looking for, so that helps a little bit. (There's also an option to filter the list by device type, but that doesn't work very well yet...)

Sphinx780

2012-02-14 17:04

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Just added my Sony into the device list, worked like a charm. Although my wife was getting a bit annoyed during the Grammy's until she figured out it was me ;-)

Just curious, any chance of getting a Dish Network reciever keyset added in? I know you talked briefly of Directv...thanks for the great app.

Copernicus

2012-02-14 17:14

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sphinx780 (Post 1165008)

Just curious, any chance of getting a Dish Network reciever keyset added in? I know you talked briefly of Directv...

Yes! I've been putting off Dish for a while now, as I've been having nothing but trouble with most of the satellite receiver protocols so far; but there are plenty of config files for them out there. I'll put it on my list. :)

sixwheeledbeast

2012-02-14 17:22

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1164910)

Nice! Let me go ahead and enter the devices I know about so far...

Glad to be of assistance. :D
You have been busy ... I only put two TV's in a few hours ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1163264)

If you edit the above in your first post and link to the wiki page, the community can add to your hard work. :)

Testing 0.6.3 at the moment, I see what you mean about the volume button. It works great on the main screen, but if you aren't on the main screen you have no idea which keyset you are using.

Ideas on a solution?

Copernicus

2012-02-14 17:59

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast (Post 1165023)

If you edit the above in your first post and link to the wiki page, the community can add to your hard work. :)

Ah, thanks! I forgot about that. :)

Quote:

Testing 0.6.3 at the moment, I see what you mean about the volume button. It works great on the main screen, but if you aren't on the main screen you have no idea which keyset you are using.

Ideas on a solution?

I'm not sure. There's really no room right now to put a keyset label on every tab page. I could use that Hildon Banner feature (the yellow bar that comes up to inform users of events), although I don't know if that would be irritating or not. I suppose I could put that in and see how it looks...

king Ralphred

2012-02-14 19:08

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

First of all, thanks for this great program. Works fine on my Samsung TV. I have a crappy free to air satellite receiver made by fortec star. To give you an idea of how crap it is, there's an option on the main menu for "sysem upgrade" . Not holding much hope for that one but here's hoping. Shame the n900 can't receive ir signals, it was going to be a suggestion. Thanks again.

sixwheeledbeast

2012-02-14 19:38

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by king Ralphred (Post 1165076)

Works fine on my Samsung TV.

What model is your Samsung and which keyset are you using if you don't mind me asking?
Trying to compile a list of compatible devices.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Pierogi_Device_Compatibility_List

Anybody who is unsure how to edit the wiki, if you want to PM the information to me, I can put it up.

king Ralphred

2012-02-14 19:52

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

When I get home, I'll do that. Need to try on my pioneer amp as well. Love it.

qwazix

2012-02-14 20:44

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1164719)

Oh, my! I almost have a headache after reading through the first page. It does have it's share of intrigue though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anyonebutthis (Post 1164731)

Copernicus says that it should be difficult to catch the timings, and probably he is right, the N900 camera captures video up to 30fps.

On the other hand though, fcam allows "shutter" speeds up to 1/1000s so if the IR led is powerful enough to be visible at such shutter speeds there could be hope.

So the question is where is the bottleneck? Does the 30fps limit come from the sensor, the video encoding by the cpu or storage?

If we could reduce the videostream to 1 pixel, and put the ir led near enough to fill the FOV, could we capture video at 1000fps?

Maybe we should dig in the fcam driver. The unfortunate thing is that I don't have very much free time, and I got one or two started projects I'd like to finish...

Copernicus

2012-02-14 21:28

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by king Ralphred (Post 1165076)

I have a crappy free to air satellite receiver made by fortec star.

Well, it looks like there are at least two good Fortec config files in the LIRC collection. What's more, they are using the standard "NEC" protocol, rather than the pull-my-hair-out wacky protocols that every other satellite receiver seems to use. (I'm knee-deep in the Dish Network protocol right now; man, I don't know where they come up with this stuff.)

I'll put it on my list. (And unlike Dish, it'll probably just take me ten minutes or so to add them. :) )

Copernicus

2012-02-14 21:34

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1165118)

On the other hand though, fcam allows "shutter" speeds up to 1/1000s so if the IR led is powerful enough to be visible at such shutter speeds there could be hope.

Actually, I'm afraid even that's not enough. 1000 frames per second would be 1 frame for every 1000 microseconds. The majority of protocols are sending out pulses of 400 - 600 microsecond duration, so multiple pulses could still slip past inbetween frames. :(

king Ralphred

2012-02-14 21:53

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1165142)

That would be so cool. My remote is bolloxed and I have to get off my arse to change channel

sixwheeledbeast

2012-02-15 00:03

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app

I think I have found another small bug. Just by playing about.
LG TV Keyset 1
In Utility the Sound Mode Button functions as the Picture Mode...
But the Sound Mode in Secondary Buttons works perfect.

Why is Sound Mode and Picture Mode in both menus?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:10.

Page 4 of 35

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8