Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

We didn't start as Nokia haters. Most of us started as fans. We were carefully trained to be haters.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Hey Dave, the self-thanking troll. I am making money on NOKIA!

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

The share price is rising in anticipation of WP8 but will it live up to expectations?

Are you going to stick or cash in quick?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

I will wait. I am in it for a long haul. But I agree with you. No one knows what the expectation is, and will it satisfy the investors. And ultimately, the sales will decide.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Guys, relax. Things are about to change. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/user/nokia?feature=watch

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

If the new WP8 phone has the PureView....the stock will shoot thru the roof.....

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Very unlikely it will shoot through the roof. Just read an article that said research shows people don't want a Windows Phone...

plus Samsung just beat Nokia to launch their first WP8 phone with some pretty impressive specs

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

People want idiot proof devices. WP8 is as close as it gets

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

I don't agree with that - but i guess we'll soon find out!

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Considering that's a Nokia commercial I kept expecting the girl to ride off a burning bridge or at least hit a street lamp.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

You may not agree, but Apple is one such device. And extremely successful.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

A few boring nokia stock days now. I hope you negatrons are happy now :D

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Samsung beating them to the punch with WP8 must be rather deflating.

What about the silly names for WP8 devices? The Samsung Ativa and the NOKIA Phi - both seem like typos.

And what the heck is a 'Phi'? It kinda reminds me of the The Knights Who Say Ni

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Someone shared this with me today.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...18303235_n.jpg

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

On the good news department, Nokia mapping business is booming:


http://m.seekingalpha.com/article/84...r?source=yahoo

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

in what way is samsung wp8 better than nokias phi? To me it looks like nokia is doing an apple. Release a crappy shitos with very good design of phone. If i should go wp8 garbage I would go for nokia not samsung. The fact that samsung also go wp shows where stuf will go i the future. Samsung are followers to. Forget bout tizen its dead. In some years wp crapos will bw mainstream by all manufactors :(

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

plz, someone link a graph or two.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Just put in my order for more shares.......this baby is skyrocketing

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

it has gone down again.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

I wasn't saying it was better (or worse), it's just that NOKIA clearly thought as Microsoft's preferred partner they were going to be given a head start on WP8 but in reality the Samsung WP8 device was the first to be revealed.

I think Samsung has a great opportunity to kill NOKIA off completely if they want to. NOKIA have very limited control over anything now, they don't control the software, they don't control what components they can use and they can't control their manufacturing costs either as manufacturing is now subcontracted to Compal. Any WP8 device NOKIA can produce Samsung can do a better one with a higher spec and lower price.

If Samsung do succeed in killing off NOKIA as a result they may well also get the opportunity to kill off Microsoft's mobile ambitions too.

At the budget end of the market NOKIA have nowhere to go either. Elop has killed Meltemi and NOKIA are now stuck in the past with Series 40/J2ME devices. NOKIA's future in the budget market is very time limited as a result, this market will now inevitably be eaten up by low cost Androids.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Oh my, time for some anti-depressants. NOKIA controls a lot: intellectual capital. And the beauty of having someone else do everything else, is that you can focus on creativity. NOKIA has proven they can innovate their hardware, and that is what they are good at. They are NOT a software company, as their failed record shows.
NOKI will do well. Very well.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Even that's getting less and less because Elop keeps giving it away to patent trolls.

On the contrary, cameras excluded, NOKIA's hardware has been behind the curve for a long while now. Ugly designs, slow processors and small amounts of RAM were much more of an issue than Symbian ever was. In fact it was a testament to Symbian it could even run on such modest hardware.

The breadth of functionality offered by Symbian on a shoestring was NOKIA's saving grace.

Now NOKIA have a real problem, they can't differentiate. Everything they can do Samsung can do better and cheaper.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

And their designs are just so beautiful, so compelling that they're flying off the shelves and have FINALLY taken back the market! Right? :)

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Rumour has it that the Lumia 920 Pureview is only going to have an 8mp camera, and not actually contain the proper Pureview tech.

Fail. Big time

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

hmmmm....u got link to that

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

suprised?! Not me however they may, or may not, by doing alot false marketing. Most people are stupid and did not buy 808 but have heard alot about "pureview" now they will go buy nokias new wp camwraphone just because nokia is calling it pureview. Same marketting as when they talked about lumias "new design" and as we now that also was false marketing.

but anyway n9 still pissing on those new devices so I personally dont care what **** nokia comes up with now.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

I'm a frequent public transport user coz I live in the city with europe's most horrible parking situation. It's always a good opportunity to spy on peoples (of all classes and types) smartphone usage. I have yet to see a single Windows fone in the wild. The only person I know that bought a Lumia sold it short time later with great loss. All I see are Samsungs and Apples and old feature fones.
I fail to see how people are optimistic about Lumia or WP future.
What I have seen so far about WP8 doesn't change this.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Certainly do!
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/9/3/...amera-pureview

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Why would you buy the most antiquated OS on the planet. Just because of camera?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

I think you got a point there, a point that I used to reiterate. Even in the hardware dept NOKIA can't compete with Apple. I think they can compete with others though. The N9s are got are inferior to Lumias in construction overall. N9 was the biggest fail from NOKIA.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Have you used lumia 800 or 900? It's a much better device than anything Nokia made except for n900

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Keep trolling man, it's making me laugh (not with you, at you)

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

As an IT person of over 30 years, part time iPhone developer and a fledgling Android developer my phones of choice are

First and foremost N900
It is as near to perfection as I can get in a small form factor device, the quality of the hardware, functionality and near totally opensource OS means it will never be far from my side.

I just love that I can install PHP, opensource rulz!

Second Samsung Galaxy Note
Great little tablet, fairly decent phone and I just wish the N900 had a bigger screen, that is the only factor that persuades me to use this device. The closed nature of Android is just too painful to get anything useful done,

I can read books on how to develop PHP, gee great!

Testing devices iPhone/iPad various
Great devices for deploying software to for end users, could never use one as a day to day device as they just don't do what I want from a small form factor device but I recognise that customers, end users love the solid reliable feel of IT that just works.

I can pay to develop in PHP, no thanks!

Nokia current range of devices.
You only have to look at the Nokia website to see how bad it has tanked, What few non WIndows phones are listed are priced upto $600 without even a mention of the OS in sight, Windows phones are practically given away, the conclusion one can draw is they can't give them away. Neither gives me anything I need and it is unlikely I will return to Nokia devices anytime soon.

PHP huh? nuf said!

Only one voice but I doubt very much that I would consider developing on the Windows platform.

Having been Microsoft free for over 8 years now, my perfectly working and beautiful LINUX desktops, servers and devices have been like a breath of fresh air and it will be a cold day in hell that I ever return to such dross as Windows by choice.

rgds

Just sayin!

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

So the new Lumias with wireless charging capability will come out tomorrow?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Although I had to do this from the hotel room, apparently I'm the only one who bothers with graphs, so here's some. Nok1V, Helsinki, €.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...2941828f28.png

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...c25a622348.png

And please, stop feeding the troll.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

I have actually seen a couple of people that bought a Windows Phone about a year ago.. and they deeply regretted it, though. Between simply having problems making things work or the unavailability of applications that other people have, they ultimately felt as if what they had wasn't really a smartphone but an over-glorified feature phone with a Microsoft logo.

That being said, it has been a very, very long time since I've seen another Windows Phone in the wild since those two people--and even those two eventually broke contract just to get something else--anything else. That's at least two negatively impacted experiences for which Microsoft will never come back from. I expect there will be many more stories like that.

To take photos of their food. Duh!
http://youtu.be/uIRBxRlsYR0

I don't think he realizes he's not convincing anybody--especially not with the results and estimated sales figures (maybe Nokia is too embarrassed to release the actual figures?) the Lumia line have given so far. Don't point it out to him.. we don't want him to stop--it's like watching the silly, lying jester dancing around at a party.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Soooo much hate from the fat boy. I have none of the bad histories or feelings against any of the platforms. I could care less whether the platform is closed or open or what not. I have used most of them, and my bias is based on what works for me. I am probably more of the 99%, than most of you. There seems to be a collection of open source fanatics, customizable loving boys and girls, people who want to differentiate themselves with "device only for me", Euro lovers, and non-Euro lovers, decentralized thinkers and so on here.
Given above, and the fact that most of you here are the 0.0001%, nobody should build a phone around your requirements. Simple as that. Apple got it right and NOKI is trying to get it right with WP. I think they have a chance, and that is why I invested into them. The price is low. Very low, and I think they have to offer much more than RIM. So there you go.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Guess who makes Apple's hardware and win a prize!

Is it true the only bits of the iPhone made in the USA come from a Samsung plant in Austin, TX?


It's a shame for NOKIA the 99% don't know they're supposed to be like you.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

So guys, how will the stock react on announcment day?

Yes, I'm asking all you trolls for some intell :)