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the thing i realised today :

you can't beat Harmattan's swipe UI.

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They have double tap to unlock :o

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Looks really really good.

Does anyone know if the OS is fully opensource (GPL'd) ?

rgds

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not sure abt that, i just stated what ivw seen on the live stream...

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but that presentation is actually far more better than lumia 920 presentation or the 808 pureview ( product was great presentation were mehh !! especially Jo harlow )

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Anybody else feeling a little underwhelmed?

Just feel that after so long, it really didn't match my expectations, but i guess either way, the HW is what'll make me buy, not the OS.

(here's hoping USB-OTG is stock!)

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that's something. thankfully.

but the rest... the OS looks like it's trying too much.
the simplicity of use (along with swipe) made Harmattan so awesome.

and that genious simplicity is lost.

* doesn't mean I hate it. i will support them. i'll buy their phone (given that Greece won't go bunkrupt anytime soon)

** i also hope that the device is gonna be beautifull.

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but you can improve it (it's the best i've seen, but it's also not perfect). I wonder if they even tried to get the license for it. After all it would have been fair to at least get it licensed for free or cheap from nokia, after what nokia did..

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i really hope they have a harmattan-style event feed up their sleeves (or maybe in the next version)...

maybe swipe left or right from lockscreen and see everything in one place. and i want to see everything that has to do with one person at any place (in contacts, social media, shared calender events, tagged photos, shared evernote notes, etc.) and vice versa (click on friends twitter update - click his name/picture - see the aforementioned things)

but i am confident they will make great progress in the future, they definately have the talent.

and all the critics: what did the first iteration of ios look like? android 1.0? wp7? what were the features?
jolla is entering the market on an incredible high level of professionalism (regarding the product, not the presentation :P) and they did it almost from scratch in one year. and they are only 40 people or so, and ha to build a company while creating the product.

my prediction: this is the beginning of something big. the scalability and ability to run on so many devices is definitly something new (not a new idea, but they are finally doing it) and a great thing. this plus android compatibility are absolute dealbreakers and will massively push the ecosystem.

oh, and in the in depth presentation, they did everything live on what i believe was a n9(50). and it was absolutely fluid and nice, i didnt see any stuttering. assuming their own device will have a lot more power we will see an incredibly smooth and fresh user experience.

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Sure, for your finger it's only a small distance. But for your mind, it "feels" like a long distance.

I tried several transition effects, including Jolla's one, for a mobile application. Half-transparency was quickly disqualified as it neither allows to comfortably "peek", nor to make it obvious what's happening. Furthermore, there is no real-life association which makes the move unnatural.

I personnally did not install more that 3 or 4 apps and also (or especially) in that case, the application grid does not fill right. WP has an interesting (and radical) approach because it combines the tiles with the launchers and thus removes one dimension. But there are probably better ideas to explore, this is grid is absolutly not unlike...

Anyway, there are some really nice ideas and the concept is much stronger than any widget-like approach with 5 to 10 home screens :)

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i just **** my pants...THIS is the OS, i'm looking for.

- swipe: check
- multitasking: check
- android apps compability: check
- runs on n950 (and hopefully on n9): check
- nice looking ui (imo): check

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Now also official Youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/jollaofficial

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So did i missed something ? :eek:
Sailfish sounds good as a new device im moving to after the end of my N900 :o

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This propably also hasn't been posted here yet.

Interview with two of Jolla's founders: Sailfish, Why Should You Care?

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one long page stat with notification, messing, calender etc stuff

scroll down-

multitasking view "n9 like" more apps smaller view + you can interact with the apps without ope them

scroll down-

app draw

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to go back in any app, slide from the edge "no back button"

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to minimize an app, scape from the edge, no swiping motion but transpiring motion.


I think it has everything the the N9 has and more!, I wish I can install it now on my N9 :p

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First hardware summer 2013? wow thats late.

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Me too, I feel underwhelmed because the lack of polish and because some of the UI elements don't always make sense. Compared with Harmattan, Jolla UI is like one small steps forwards and two steps back. However, I do feel if Jolla can polish their UI, their UI is better than BB10.
On the other hand, Jolla obviously haven't shown their full cards.

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most n9s will be 1,5 years old by then, so at least for the "consumers" here on tmo this fits perfectly ;)
and i'm confident that we will have sailfish on our n9s before the jolla device launches.

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Don't know if it was posted allready but here the full (?) presentation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdLUJ...ature=youtu.be

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I think the wording was before summer.... not that it means April or anything similar, but still. :D

Was never expecting hardware Q1 2013. It's still borderline miracle they have done what they have done in this time frame with that workforce. Though i would have wished they had now said late Q1 2013 and then in reality get the device out in Q2 2013. Now i got a bad feeling we will be waiting for second half of 2013.

It's just what usually ends up happening with companies like this.

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guys, what is this?

http://www.facebook.com/JollaMobile/...52067514807091

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It was shown on the presentation before. It takes the non button concept on N9 a bit further.

Swipe on the screen works the same as back button. Swipe from the frame gets you to multitasking view (same as on N9/N950).

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Just wondering :) what are the chances of this being ported to the N9?

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That was my question too. It's visible with a small gesture, think how you would check the time when watching a video on N9. Swipe away a little.

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From the sailfish wiki QA:

Will you support DRM

No.

Ooops. 8-)

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I'm wondering that too. Is the Wikipedia article for Sailfish OS acurate? Is the user interface not open source?

If the user interface isn't open source, wouldn't that make Sailfish a step back from Maemo and MeeGo in regards to software freedom, and less open source friendly than Android? :(

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Harmattan's UI is not open source as well. The core is, though, and the distro containing the open-source components is called Mer. Mer is the underpinning of Sailfish.

If Jolla's claim that they can have Sailfish running on a brand new hardware platform after one day of work is true, blows cleanly out of the water one of the most infamous claims of Steven Elop, that Harmattan could not easily be adapted to new hardware. :mad: Harmattan had several Nokia-specific adaptations that made it more dificult to adapt than Mer, but what's the problem in taking one month to adapt to a new platform? Android takes six months or more!

I'm seeing the UI demo (last 10 minutes of the Slush keynote) and will comment on that when I have an opinion.

So far, I do not like the "swipe" being a dissolve instead of a card (a LOT less intuitive than the N9) and too much spindly thin text like WP8.

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The UI will not be open source according to Jolla, I believe.

The Nokia UIs were not (for the most part) open source, either.

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OK - The UI is too stark. It needs color. The font is too much like WindowsPhone. The Music app needs album artwork. The 4 icons of the shortcut bar are ugly. The icons on the vertical row of the homescreen are too rounded and clash with the starkness and straight lines of the text font (choose one or the other, having both only clashes).

I hope the current theme is a placeholder and something better is used for launch.

When you pull down the "menu", you should be able to move the finger laterally to select the option if it's not an on/off toggle. Example:

Pull down until you see "Bluetooth: ON" - release the finger, it changes to "Bluetooth:OFF" and the menu rolls back up. Pull down until you see "Profile: Meeting" - moving finger left selects "Profile: Silent" and moving finger right selects "Profile: General" (releasing the finger selects the option and rolls the menu back up). Options that can be configured this way have two opposing arrows: "<| Profile: Meeting |>" or the various options side-by-side: "Profile: Silent Meeting General"

Also, only having two actions (swipe left and right) per "background widget" (plus touching the widget to call the app to the foreground) may be too limiting. I hope long-press calls up the close-button like on Harmattan and I hope that double-tap is supported too (for example, for "3D tiles", showing various information for the same app by "rotating" the tile). It's not as intuitive as swiping left-right for the 3D tiles as is beeing mooted for WindowsPhone, but Jolla is already using that for interacting with the widgets. If the widgets ("tiles") have only one face, only two actions are possible by swiping left-right. Multiply by four faces in "3D tiles" switching with double-tap, and you can have 8 actions.

And - YAY DOUBLE TAP TO WAKE UP!

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remeber the famous disagreement with elop on meego of Felipe contreras

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You are right. Our friend probably refers to Nemo (aka Meego). Which is open source.

N9's version of Meego and N900's belong to Nokia and are closed source.

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Yes, it's exactly what I am referring to.

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* BB10 is not Open SOurce.
* Jolla is Open source
* Jolla runs Linux and not some RTOS.
* Jolla is using true QT

now thats of the biggest reason to go Jolla instead.

Polishing of Icons etcs.. is probadly up to the companys that will use Jolla (==they can be replaced). Also vanilla Android looks crap.

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Hiring marketing people costs alot of cash. They better wait and use marketing guys when announce the device.

Infact I say they did a great job cause of the facts that theyr are mosly sw/hwengineers == real geeks. Not some marketing guys who doesnt know anything about engineering.


Again Slush is not MWC or NokiaWorld...

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No HW KBD. What an utter fail. I will look forward to reading about jolla in some cracked.com list of fail mobile OSs along with meego, moblin, harmattan, tizen and bada.

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Any idea what board that guy is holding at 3.55?

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Just got home what did I miss guys??

Is the video from morning unveil up?
Also is there a video for the demo of the UI they did at 3pm?

Thanks :)

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Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHn3qp_E3_A
Presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4

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Raspberry Pi?

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No HW KBD is confirmed? If so that's a deal breaker.