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hood 2013-03-16 15:13

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Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1329388)
No, it's not dead. How did you understand that?
Why am I working on the next update then? :D
LOL

Well... My english is really unfluence. Anyway do what you do. Still whatching you :cool:

But losing of OSM is disaster.

shma 2013-03-16 15:15

I'm in sandviken setter

setter 2013-03-16 15:42

Then I have seen you on the map ;)
I am staying in Umeå or more precisely 30 km south of Umeå.

waldo 2013-03-16 15:49

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since i've updated to 0.6 it doesn't load the dots on the map

anthonie 2013-03-16 15:51

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Please clarify with proper direct and precise answers.
For a developer that is so unclear in it's communication you sure do demand some formalities. Let's get them out of the way...

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You think I did not write this code from line 1 till the end on both client and server side?
Nope. I did not say that. I asked you if you wrote it yourself because A: There is no source code available and B: because you did include a license that states source code is/was/should be available.

I asked that because you reacted:

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Why would you expect sources to be available?
On to your next question;

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Why would you like to have the sources of this application? Would you like to use the sources in a profitable or any other beneficial way for yourself?
A: Because your code uses or seems to use licensed components, e.g. OpenStreetMap. http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright. Thus it's interesting to me to see what's happening under the hood from a legal point of view.

B: Because I would like to study it. Basically the reason (or one of the reasons) why GPL was created in the first place, so people wouldn't have to do endless discussions like this.

C: Because I have a genuine interest in the topic, as my former employer, a telecom operator, paid me well to harvest information from any cell phone that connected to their antennas.

D: Because when someone else asked it before, he or she was ignored. That raises if not doubles my curiosity.

E: But most of all, because you ask this question in the first place.

F: Reading that your server got hacked, it also got me interested to see what info was on that server of yours. That is, to see what info was gathered.

Hopefully this is precise enough for you...

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I could tell you what exactly I'm doing and even provide you with sources like I did to CloudBerryTech (exMeeGo team from Nokia) but since you asked me on such a impolite and rude way, accusing me of forgery and privacy breach - I will not.
A: I did not ask anything in an impolite way. I just asked.
B: And neither did I make any accusations. I asked you if you wrote it yourself, which really is not such a strange question if it turns out you don't know how the software you made public is licensed.
C: You're aware that not making your source available is a breach of that GPL?

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Declare why you want to know publicly and ask politely and I will explain every single detail.
Apart from the fact that I do not need to give you a justification for my request, after you yourself already have given permission in the form of this GPL, you can read my motivation above.

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Now, mea culpa, it was my mistake that I didn't pay attention to details like licenses in this early alpha stage and I thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Right. Please stop blaming me than...

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P.S. Due to your license revelation to me, I decided to even remove OpenStreetMap plugin to avoid losing time on trolls.
No you're becoming downright insulting...

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Asking to open source this project is very stupid, in my humble opinion. You would have protocols, access to my server, doors open to all my personal private data amongst else.
If it so "stupid", license it in a different way than...

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Otherwise, stop wasting my time. I'm doing this for free,
We all are. That does not take away the legitimacy of my questions.

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I gain absolutely no profit from this.
I have absolutely no problems whatsoever with people making money using their skills.

zaidk9 2013-03-16 16:16

0.7
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1874750/con....0.7_armel.deb

knobtviker 2013-03-16 16:36

A. Point taken. OpenStreetMaps removed even if it was a community suggestion to improve the app.

B. License has changed to a closed one. I will include this into About in next build. To avoid discussions like this.

C. Nobody paid me anything to do this so I guess it's my loss. To ease your mind and bury the hatchet, data the app collects is unique id, georeversed IP coordinates, geoIP country, timestamp of joining, model, firmware, manufacturer, device color and device disk size.
Later, if users choose to and accept, they can enhance their position using GPS.

D. RzR asked if this was open source. I honestly forgot to reply. Answer is still no.

E. My personality is my own. :) I have made apps for years now. Never ever failed the trust of this community nor I intend to. My reaction was caused by your action.

F. I never said my server was hacked. I said it was attacked. No data was gathered, but false entries were inserted so I spent 2 hours cleaning up. That security loophole was patched and my guard dog shows further attempts that failed. BTW my own 2 phones are inside.

So I slipped by releasing a pre alpha software and it had a auto generated GPl license by Qt Creator to Unknown software by unknown author.
Lesson thought the hard way.
License has changed, OSM removed.
Everything OK now? :)

TMavica 2013-03-16 16:55

Thanks bojan, nice version

anthonie 2013-03-16 17:01

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@knobtviker

Thanks for the reaction.

A: The OSM license does not look very restrictive at first sight, so the only reason for not using it would be your own license. That is, using their components will force a license scheme on your work.

B: Understandable, albeit regretable as well.

C: Thanks for the info.

D: Too bad. Did I understand correctly from your previous post that the only reason not to make this GPL is that someone might get info about your server from the source code? If so, there are ways around that, I believe.

E: Ah well...

F: Ah, the infamous MySQL injection?

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Lesson thought the hard way.
I may have sounded like a *****ing nagger, but eventually someone else would have stated the same thing, at some point. Licenses are important and I was suprised that after nearly two weeks, I bumped into that GPL. Better in alpha-stage than in a release-stage, I'd say.

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Everything OK now?
A difference in opinion does not equal not being OK. Really.

Hariainm 2013-03-16 17:07

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GPS location doesn't work.

knobtviker 2013-03-16 17:11

D. Well, I'd like to make this into an API if I live long enough to do so. Quantity of workload is just too huge for one person. If I succeed, client side will go open source. I see why not.

F. Since I use a NoSQL scheme and have valid injection failsafes,it wasn't it. I suspect a primitive curl script that rendered my server useless by overloading my daily quota of resources. That will not happen again.

Sure sooner or later someone would point this problem out. You have my utmost gratitude for doing it right now at an early stage. :)

setter 2013-03-16 17:16

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Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1329424)
GPS location doesn't work.

Works fine here.

knobtviker 2013-03-16 17:19

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Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1329424)
GPS location doesn't work.

Weird, works for me too. Screenshot maybe or a description of the problem?

lorenzo 2013-03-16 17:24

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Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1329424)
GPS location doesn't work.

did you checked in settings/device/gps if you allowed to use gps? then you have to set use gps in connection and confirm through the "v" on the right down corner then refresh the map

Hariainm 2013-03-16 17:26

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Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1329430)
Weird, works for me too. Screenshot maybe or a description of the problem?

Nothing occurs when i check "Use GPS Connection". GPS icon in status bar doesn't show. In your app, location map in Profile shows blue sea (kinda of :D) with no icon. And in the main map, i'm still at wrong position (or not in the map at all, who knows)

Attachment 31341

EDIT: I'm using 0.7 version and yes, my GPS works fine, i can use Nokia Maps & Drive and everything.

knobtviker 2013-03-16 17:33

Thats an empty map tile. If you say no gps icon in status bar that means location module isn't triggered. Anything blocking this perhaps? I just use standard QML Mobility location API. No voodoo in that. :D

bibek 2013-03-16 17:33

The *****, Nokia Maps is back :D

Hariainm 2013-03-16 17:35

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Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1329433)
Thats an empty map tile. If you say no gps icon in status bar that means location module isn't triggered. Anything blocking this perhaps? I just use standard QML Mobility location API. No voodoo in that. :D

Even if i open first Nokia Maps to have a active GPS signal, and then open your app, things still doesn't work.

setter 2013-03-16 17:36

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Originally Posted by bibek (Post 1329434)
The *****, Nokia Maps is back :D

Better Nokia Maps than license problems.....
Why are you so negative about Nokia Maps?

bibek 2013-03-16 17:46

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Originally Posted by setter (Post 1329436)
Better Nokia Maps than license problems.....
Why are you so negative about Nokia Maps?

Apologies, but Nokia maps in my region has 1% info as compared to gmaps. Pretty useless.
But no huge issues in seeing N9 positions

setter 2013-03-16 17:56

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Originally Posted by bibek (Post 1329441)
Apologies, but Nokia maps in my region has 1% info as compared to gmaps. Pretty useless.
But no huge issues in seeing N9 positions

Okey bibek, I forgot that Nokia Maps is not as detailed over the world as it is here in Scandinavia.

knobtviker 2013-03-16 18:53

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Not only the detail issue, but I'm not keen about it because caching sucks.
If any... Moritz asked if I can tap onto vector based maps like Drive is using.
Any ideas? Suggestions?

Leinad 2013-03-16 19:14

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Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1329453)
Not only the detail issue, but I'm not keen about it because caching sucks.
If any... Moritz asked if I can tap onto vector based maps like Drive is using.
Any ideas? Suggestions?

well, never thought about google maps ?

juiceme 2013-03-16 20:12

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Same funny thing here, too.
version 0.0.6 triggered GPS okay, now as I installed 0.0.7 it's not triggering GPS for me.

zapotek 2013-03-16 20:30

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Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1329424)
GPS location doesn't work.

:confused: same think with both n9's i have :(

zapotek 2013-03-16 20:32

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were i can find version 0.0.6 ?

Morpog 2013-03-16 21:02

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gps works in 0.0.7, you need to refresh map to see the difference.

zapotek 2013-03-16 21:16

Re: [Announce / WIP] Connected - counting N9 users - JOIN IN!
 
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Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1329433)
Thats an empty map tile. If you say no gps icon in status bar that means location module isn't triggered. Anything blocking this perhaps? I just use standard QML Mobility location API. No voodoo in that. :D

noo nothing happen's just as knobtviker mension here module isn't triggered.

how i can purge the installation? :o

knobtviker 2013-03-16 23:05

Very interesting.
It seems that OpenStreetMap is licensed under ODbL and not GPL.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

Which means I can use it and modify the license to credit them.
How about that? :)

davmin 2013-03-16 23:34

For my country (Armenia), openmap is best choice than nokia map

hood 2013-03-17 00:38

Re: [Announce / WIP] Connected - counting N9 users - JOIN IN!
 
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Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1329432)
Nothing occurs when i check "Use GPS Connection". GPS icon in status bar doesn't show. In your app, location map in Profile shows blue sea (kinda of :D) with no icon. And in the main map, i'm still at wrong position (or not in the map at all, who knows)

Attachment 31341

EDIT: I'm using 0.7 version and yes, my GPS works fine, i can use Nokia Maps & Drive and everything.

I got this issue too, GPS works for a while but after sertain running it stoped. Any other GPS software works well.

davmin 2013-03-17 09:16

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i have same issue

knobtviker 2013-03-17 11:00

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I think I fixed it.
Try this, same link. Redownload and reinstall please.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1874750/con....0.7_armel.deb

Let me know if it works now.

hood 2013-03-17 11:12

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Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1329566)
I think I fixed it.
Let me know if it works now.

Seems fixed, thank ya!

MK99 2013-03-17 11:12

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Thanks. Now it works.

knobtviker 2013-03-17 15:06

Cool, thanks guys. Server is holding up, working nice. I can focus on client upgrades now. Improving how dots are loaded and shown and not to overload the app. Have some ideas, dynamic loading depending on zoomLevel.

Hariainm 2013-03-17 18:42

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Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1329566)
I think I fixed it.
Try this, same link. Redownload and reinstall please.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1874750/con....0.7_armel.deb

Let me know if it works now.

Thanks Bojan, now it works correctly.

setter 2013-03-18 14:23

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I really can't see any difference in the icons wether it is 16 or 64 GB. On my maps everyone looks the same, only the colour are different.

nokiabot 2013-03-18 14:47

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F*** man u author of dropian:o thanx man awsome piece of code made made ma c5 usable enough:)

knobtviker 2013-03-18 19:02

LoL thanks. I have to fix some stuff on Dropian and release an update. But thats another topic... :)


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