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in other words, it goes from your data plan AND requires your other party also have a smartphone, a data plan and a whatsit account.

On the other hand, SMS

• is on every phone since about 1980
• requires nothing but a phone number
• does not require being logged on, only a phone switched on
• is free to receive
• is ridiculously cheap or free to send even on some PAYG packages

I am on PAYG and top up by £5 about every 2-3 moths. That's because I hardly ever use the phone for calling, I use it almost exclusively for texting. I have 5 SMS free a day (a plan sadly no longer offered by my provider, but still honoured for customers who have it), so the only times using my phone costs me anything at all is when I exceed my 5 SMS allowance (rarely) or when I text my family abroad (international SMS are not included).

I do occasionally use Skype on my N900 but only when I am within a WiFi area and quite often after a prior prompt ("hey, get on Skype") by - you've guessed it - SMS! ;)

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Bought it out of curiosity about the OS.

On 23rd of May I have already purchased myself into the tribe with only 100Euro. 2nd half still included.

If Jolla wants to make me consider giving up the Nokia 808 as main phone before half of 2016 in favor of a Jolla device they may want to include:


-full and completely integrated core support of open communication protocols: SIP, XMPP (Jabber like on N900), ....

My N900 lacks reliability talking to secured Jabber accounts running via Jitsi.org on desktops.
I also don't want an app like Jitsi on my phone later. I want integration.


-hardware keyboard 2nd half to make use of full display space
-real web browser (Firefox will do - I need Noscript / Adblock etc)
-a decent camera software that gets the best out of the most likely very generic integrated camera hardware
-a decent camera 2nd half upgrade with large sensor, battery pack.




I don't expect the glory days of 2009-2010 to return when few people in my office would imagine and suspect me to be responding all that communication (email, skype, telephone) from one single device when actually sitting in a restaurant, cafe or even along the road.

Nowadays such possibilities have become more widely known to the public carrying tablets and 3G internet and it gives away the cloak of roaming freedom the N900 could provide back then.

But yet, given updated core software, speedy hardware and the same resistive display tech, no pocketable device could be as productive as an N900.

It doesn't seem to be allowed to exist and seen how different the N9 was from the N900, I am not going to expect it from Jolla.
I just hope they don't wast too much resources on the Facebook and such at the cost of the real hardcore voip integration.

good luck Jolla.

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I don't wanna sound like a whatsapp defender but a litlle stat . From my 111 contacts i have in phone 88 have whatsapp . And you can easily remove 10 numbers from those 111 because they are landline phones .
We have plans that got 300 sms per month and the users are telling that they rarely consume 60-70% of the sms .
But hey this is off topic :)

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And why would you agree with this and help them to keep up this mentality?

Whatsap, Viber, whatsnot... business is based on leeching user contact data and statistics.

A couple of months people tried to push me into Viber for their convenience of running around with iPhones, but when I checked what the little cute program does in the first stage of the setup, like sending all my contact details to some company in Israel I concluded that even if they would be paying me to use their service I would need time to consider!
Worst Viber is on Symbian where you just get to give up all your contacts in trade for a lousy text chat service. Just to be able to join the TRIBE. Shameless.

Why people whon easily pay xxx for smartphones, capable of running all these apps concurrently, need to depend on these so called free services?

What are they afraid to miss out on?

Will you drive a car with camera's installed in exchange for free petrol?

If you say yes, because "I am a model driver / citizen with nothing to hide": you should still consider that there are other people that like to use the road too, who wouldn't appreciate your filming. There are even laws against that activity in most countries.

And so are there privacy laws. However the "free mobile services" like to run circles around those laws because most people fail to connect the dots and the stakes are high.
The messenger companies have the possibility to irreversibly grab your sometimes decades old contact database with real names in an instant,
Eventually pay a fine later most probably much lower a fine than the true data value harvested.

I used to require Skype on my mobile but now that Skype is MS, the game has chanced.
They can now link my Bing searches to my identity and credit card info, OS used and conversations, navigation data and what else.

So, start paying me already MS! My Skype credit should be growing every minute I am running around with Skype open on my Lumia! Peopel with nothing to hide could mine Skype credit whit that action to spend in the MS App shop. :rolleyes:

I don't ask a ban on those free, fun and basically effcient communication services.

But let's not promote them as the standards we require on a mobile phone.

Don't serve them (the messener marketing BB companies) what they are after on a silver (or alu alloy glass) plate.

Search for open source alternatives, secure and free and demand Linux OS developpors on any platform to implement those with priority.

Statistics: I have 100 contacts on Skype for business. Even including some that started to use Skype on my demand for my convenience.

In the weekend I have 6 friends on Jitsi.

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If they shall support whatsapp it should be integrate in core platform using libtelepathy like the rest of its communication protocols.

But I doubt it will happen Whatsapp is closed crap and probadly not used in China? But it would be really stupidness to have a seperate app for "instantmessageing" when Mer has good framework like telepathy for such stuff.

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Wrong! Why do you think the masses will choose Jolla when there are cheaper devices with better specs, more apps, better known brand names, better looking and from more stable companies (better for warranty)? Devices they can buy on every corner with contract and subsidized price? Yes these thing are important for regular people because they are not geeks. They don't care about open source, having terminal and all that.
THEY don't have a reason to buy Jolla over any other phone.
Jolla should appeal first and first most to geeks. Device we want is not on market, there is no Linux box phone on market like N900. This market is big enough to keep them going in the beginning, together with the some of the regular people who are willing to buy new different devices.

If they appeal to regular people and there is no reason to buy their phone for geeks, they will have a hard time surviving.

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A lot! You should try one sometime. For people who want to get something done it is the best go-to phone. Everything that regular people want, can be done by the iPhone. That is why they sell so many.
No it is not open source and does not run Linux.

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Wrong Jolla's focus is China market. That's way bigger than some geeks on TMO. And China is intrested in Jolla because they have not yet been brainwashed by Android/Iphone hype as european, USA has.

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So why is then is Android so big there? They have GS4 like phones for less than a third the price of GS4.
The thing with China is that they are still growing very hard. So if Jolla takes a small piece, that could be enough or them. In developed countries their only hope is geeks. That was what I meant.

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They are not aiming at geeks. They are aiming to the general public AND geeks. Targetting a product to only geeks means only one word: bankrupcy. They know that.

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You mean as smooth as an Android phone? ;)

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Lumia 620, my new great phone. Smooth and does the basics well. If Jolla comes close, they will sell

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If you have a high-quality camera which can be comfortably carried everywhere, all the time, you are lucky. Most of the time, I use N900 for photographs, and I curse the camera's inability to catch the quickly-moving birds with the same sharpness as a human's eye. However, the plants, flowers, insects make for spectacular photographs. And a photograph of pelican family, with one of the pelicans caught in flight, is still memorable.
'Nobody' is sending MMS because: 1). There is no definite standard for MMS (I once tried sending MMS between N900 and another phone, and it was a fail); 2). Many phones no longer include MMS or 3G video calls by default; 3). Network operators have absurdly high charges for calls and SMS, and more so for MMS and cellular Internet. Honestly, it would be much more comfortable for me to use citizen band radio for most calls, and cellular radio as last resort if CB radio is unavailable. But, citizen band radio devices are not advertised in each and every shopping mall, like cellular phones are.
I do not use GTalk because I dislike Google. I use Skype on desktop because I see no other alternative, and I use Skype-on-N900 very infrequently. I do not know what is WhatsApp.
Yes, I am making/receiving calls - sometimes. I send less than one SMS a day; as far as I remember, I have never deleted an SMS from N900, and there is still no clutter in "Conversations".
I do not use Twitter or Facebook. Cellular Internet is used very rarely - about once a year.
I use the browser to either develop browser extensions or read local files. Browsing the Internet on such a small device with fragile screen and keyboard doesn't appeal to me.
IM apps would not be needed if MMS and-or email worked properly. Oh, and I would gladly switch from Skype to IRC Chat; it's not that difficult, I only have to convince others that the effort is worth it.
Jolla cannot make a phone just for geeks because Jolla needs to prove themselves to possible investors as a growing company. Geeks alone cannot finance a company, or can they?
BlackBerry is fading since BB10 seemed to be a copycat; Apple has lost Steve Jobs; Microsoft has disappointed many users with these clumsy tiles of new Windows; Nokia is ridiculed for leaving Maemo and Meego without support, Google's Android is fragmented by definition and privacy-intrusive by design... It's a prime time for a new company with revolutionary concepts to take the leading role.
The fact is, everybody is different, and most people have at least a small bit of 'geek' within them. Geeky device and consumer-oriented device do not have to be polar opposites.
IRC from console... You, sir, are a command line interpreter. I am using Chatzilla, and making up ways to improve it. Like, reading history of messages from logs. Or, scheduling a message to be sent only when the intended recipient appears online.
You are lucky to be able to use MMS easily.
Navigation is essential. But, since I am afraid to drain battery, I prefer to keep most information in my head. Not much chance to get lost as long as I am using {public transport}+walking and avoiding the air-planes and long-distance-trains-buses. I have a dozen of bus timetable-and-routes with me, when using public transport, just in case. The most difficult part is when they change timetables, and I have to remember to acquire new timetables - or I miss necessary bus, to the extent it's easier for me to walk forty minutes - despite being tired already - than wait for the bus arrive.
And good health to you!
Hmm... On my deserted island, automated SMS are separated into five categories:
Small balance (Recharge, please!);
Advertisement (Would you consider switching to 24-Month postpaid plan?);
Spam (You have won 10^6 USD);
Thank you for your Spam SMS Report;
Missed Call from Person X.
How do I 'chat' with people? Skype-or-IRC on computer, SMS on phone.
I don't know what's AIM. The only thing I know about MSN is: it has a beautiful butterfly.
I'm in age group of myname24 and tissot. I have heard of WhatsApp without understanding what it actually is. I use SMS when I have to convey information by phone - and phone call when I need more personal approach. As in, phone calls are generally used within family, and SMS are used with outsiders.
Well, I am used to scary tales about expensive cellular Internet. If you know a place where Internet is free-of-charge... And batteries aren't drained too quickly... So far, the ideal place is airport: free Wi-Fi, and free access to electricity for recharging. Sit down and enjoy free-of-charge Internet. It would be even better if airports offered free-of-charge wired Internet. Then, people would not to worry about electromagnetic fields affecting their health.
I would use IRC. Only, I have to persuade others to switch to it, too... So far, IM traffic on my computer is divided almost equally between Chatzilla and Skype.
Hopefully, TheOtherHalf will be as thick as the phone itself, sturdy and useful.
Smaller size is good.
First and foremost, Jolla has to deliver on their promise of being 'Unlike', unique. Then, people will buy their device: curiosity, boredom, contagious enthusiasm of world-changers. And appealing to geeks is part, but not the sole focus, of their promise.
Best wishes.
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Per aspera ad astra...

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Well, SMS are not free here in Europe, but at least here in Spain, every single company offer to contract costumers a HUGE number of free SMS.
In those "bundles" you contract for X €/month, X hours of free calls/month, X free SMS/month and X Gb/month at max speed (they will never charge you if you reach the limit, only limit your bandwith). This plans are very popular here.
Me, to put an example, have 1000 SMS/month included in my plan. And it's one of the cheapest plans my company offers. You can expect more SMS if your plan is more expensive (I suppose, dunno), but to be honest, i never had the chance to spend 1000 SMS in a month. Non even 100. In my friends circle, you only use SMS if WhatsApp fails to deliver a message (pubs with bad internet network signal :D) or punctual situations like that.

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The first thing I did was to get unlimited SMS. Its the easiest form of written communication besides email. Whatsapp is really for the poor.

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+1

Hmm. For me, SMS is to deliver information. Phone call or IM is when you desperately need an immediate feedback. The former (i.e. the need to deliver information) is much more common. About 100:1, I would say.

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I believe I recently read that SMS have recently just been outnumbered by instant messages (lost the link), not sure if this was for France only or for a broader region... At least number of SMS have only recently decreased but remain very important (still more than 210 sms per person per month in France)

SMS are now unlimited (or cap at hundreds per month) for lot of people in France, which is normal as there is no cost attached to it. What is costly is data.
So even if SMS are losing leadership, it is not yet dead. And hopefully, because I much prefer using this than participating in the game of: "are you in BBM, whatsapp, viber, facebook, gtalk..." and then changing apps to talk to different people... Then there is still emails for what I cannot with SMS. Not saying that they are not useful (I do send sometimes messages via Skype or Gtalk) but the use case for me is much more limited...

Jolla will probably do their best to integrate all they can for marketing but this is not the core for me...

edit: typo

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Jolla ltd. Edition + T-Shirt option is apparently sold out.

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That's fantastic news.

How we must apply the pressure to get a QWERTY keyboard.

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Looking forward and of course I pre-ordered, too ;)

Cheers,

J4ZZ

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They added some countries to the 100 € option... ordered one :)

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For those in EU who wanted to to get the 100€ package but they couldn't... now they can!

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Hmm, thats seems bad. It seems they did not sell well in those countrys were they were avaible already?

I have think about go 100EUR before but to lazy to cancel my 40EUR option.

Don't know what the hell I thinked when did go for 40EUR option.

With all the hype I rethink and want the Other Half too.

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Reading through the last few pages of this thread, it is clear that different people are using their smartphones in different ways, so the Jolla phone had better be flexible above all else. This means having the right hardware first of all.

But the buying decision is all about what options are available to the particular buyer. This means that powerful competitors must be outperformed in some meaningful way. Staying objective, this is a near-impossible task. I've had the pleasure of using my N9, Z10, and my latest HTC One as my daily driver phones, and let me tell you that the competition is absolutely brutal for both niche markets and the broad consumer market. Brutal. Figuring out which consumers would select Jolla phone over the current flagships, to say nothing of the flagships that will be out late this year, is a true puzzle.

"Jolla is unlike" is a great catch phrase, but it reminds me of the strategic error Elop made with selecting WinPho. He was so focused on differentiation that he neglected delight. Making something different, that's also worse, is no solution at all. You have to make the most delightful product possible. How can Jolla out-delight the competition with lower hardware and substantially less software? A removable back cover? A snappy UI?

We'll have to wait until we see the real Jolla phone to know just how delightful it'll be.

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they look pretty good, but I will have to wait and see

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Jolla is a movement. Join the tribe!

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Just decided to go for 100EUR option, and cancel 40EUR order when done, but ofcourse i ****ed up payment, so now it freezed :mad:

****ing hate CARD payment :mad: it's 2013 for got sake. There must be better payment method than crappy VISA cards etc :mad:

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I just payed via paypal :)

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Elop is an payed Microsoft idiot without ideas and visions.

Don't compare idiots with professional engineers who has a true vision. I belive in Jolla because theyr my type. They beleive in changes, exacly like me. They fight, exacly like me, They'r linux geeks like me.

Thats why I beleive in them way more than trolls like Elop opr other big companys wheer ideas has stopped because money has got over theyr heads.

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Yeah right? paypal you STILL have to give out your visa or bankaccount and send ID to paypal to verify. In my case I just use my banks "virtual Visa". atleast little safer than going to give out my real Visa to some American company.

But better solution would be something like bitcoin. Just send the damn KEY no more info needed. Atleast this SHOULD be thje way to pay online. But I realise that is not possible until 2050.

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I say cancel the order and buy the phone when it is real...Join the movement, join the tribe, join Marc dillon.

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@ mikecomputing
Bankaccount on paypal works fine here. You also don't need to send in your ID. They will transfer some cent to your bank account with a description and you have to enter that description later at paypal.

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I took the plunge and made the 100€ pre-order :eek:

I love my N9's multitasking and slick swipe-feature etc. Don't want any iphone...considered going Android, but Jolla and Sailfish is different than anything out there...that's what made me take this chance after a lot of thinking.

The presentations have been anything but professional. The first one actually made me uncomfortable and almost angry and the other one was presented on a 42 inch TV at a "pub" :D...BUT!... I love underdogs and Jolla certainly is one. They might fail but supporting them makes it less likely and success more likely.

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Had a little email conversation with Jolla Customer Care recently. Some details that you guys "might" be interested in:

These quoted replies in the email came from me asking about the possibility of buying a second 100e preorder but switching the 100e T-shirt for a 40e T-shirt (the website gave the impression that they were different designs) and combining them for my final purchase.

Yup, after my n9 gets to old.

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Not sure whats happening, but me, and my girlfriend placed an order with a friend and colleague(who knows someone in the UK) to preorder the 100€ variant.

Friend said that the UK feiend said he got a call but no mail from Jolla confirming the purchase. Anyone else had this?

what exactly is the mode of order confirmation? How is the voucher recieved? i.e is it electronic and comes via mail or is it something that arrives by post.

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he should check his spam mail folder

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Nope. After n900 and N9, I don't think they can code a viable and competitive device. It looks like a cool UI, but knowing that they had 3 years to get N9 ready and delivered a substandard user experience, why would they be better now. Burden of proof is on Jolla

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