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cybette 2013-12-14 17:30

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by biatch0 (Post 1396503)
Nawww!!! I'm terrible at securing things (although I have been known to break things from time to time)... there is a little something coming up where there'll be a whole lot of people who may fit the bill though ;)

I know I know :) working on it!

also ping @rainisto - http://cfp.hackinthebox.org/ :D :D

davide445 2013-12-14 19:41

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
If there are someone no more interested to pursue the Jolla order I'm interested to buy the right to submit it.

Dave999 2013-12-14 19:44

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by davide445 (Post 1396558)
If there are someone no more interested to pursue the Jolla order I'm interested to buy the right to submit it.

Can't transfer it. Jolla do not allow it. Sorry.

davide445 2013-12-14 19:45

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1396442)
This will probably go ignored, but just inquired to info and care @ Jolla about how to cancel my order and how to remove my account from their website. There's no way to do so it seems from what I can see.

Has anybody else attempted to do so? Any successes?

It's possible to pass your order to me?

davide445 2013-12-14 19:47

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1396561)
Can't transfer it. Jolla do not allow it. Sorry.

I broke since 30 min my Nokia E61i, was waiting for Jolla to be opening the new orders to put mine.
Now what are my choice? Buy an used N9?

rainisto 2013-12-14 19:49

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by davide445 (Post 1396566)
I broke since 30 min my Nokia E61i, was waiting for Jolla to be opening the new orders to put mine.
Now what are my choice? Buy an used N9?

Webshop opens soon for non-preorders too....

rainisto 2013-12-14 19:50

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by cybette (Post 1396504)
I know I know :) working on it!

also ping @rainisto - http://cfp.hackinthebox.org/ :D :D

Nice, maybe I should write a whitepaper for something :)

Dave999 2013-12-14 19:54

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by davide445 (Post 1396566)
I broke since 30 min my Nokia E61i, was waiting for Jolla to be opening the new orders to put mine.
Now what are my choice? Buy an used N9?

I would buy a cheap phone. Maybe a n9 or android and wait for jollas next devices. Also tizen and Ubuntu will launch devices next year so don't buy this one unless you really know what you are looking for. A buggy beta device ;)

gerbick 2013-12-14 20:06

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by cybette (Post 1396486)
You should be able to cancel your (paid) order. Our care guys are extremely busy but they will respond to you eventually. (Info will probably forward the email to Care as well.) All I can suggest is to wait for them to get back to you.

Thanks. But I'm really talking about removing the accounts - jolla.com, the pre-purchase and Harbour since I did the entire 0€ pre-purchase.

biatch0 2013-12-15 08:19

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by rainisto (Post 1396569)
Nice, maybe I should write a whitepaper for something :)

I'll keep an eye out for it :D

javispedro 2013-12-16 15:16

Re: Have just cancelled my Jolla - have others done the same?
 
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Originally Posted by rainisto (Post 1396086)
Store programs should not be able to place random phone calls nor hidden sms messages. All those things that can cause costs to end users should basicly open sailfish sms and phone applications, and end user needs to manually press send or call button.

But of course if you sideload root suid applications while in developer mode, then $RANDOM_NON-STORE_NATIVE_APPS can cause you costs by sending hidden smses. (Android apps cant make hidden phonecalls nor sms messages).

But this is exactly one of the problems I saw with Aegis: the lack of granularity. Here, you are simplistically creating just two tokens: "things that can cause cost to end users" and "everything else". This is terrible as I can think of a few things that do not cause cost to end users and yet I do not want $RANDOM_STORE_APPS from doing them (e.g. spamming my address book). Aegis, at least, had 5 or 6 "interesting" tokens (the rest were basically garbage as they were not designed to protect the user).

Additionally, by preventing suid apps entirely in the official store you're already removing control from the user, as there are may be some things that can be only done with suid apps that semantically are not "things that cause cost" (e.g. backup programs? other-half drivers?) .

That said I'm not necessarily in favour of allowing suid binaries to the store. To put it simply, this problem requires severe consideration.

(Also, since compositor runs as "nemo" uid, can't you just ptrace it/WriteProcessMemory() and simulate clicks around the interface?)


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