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nieldk 2014-01-24 20:11

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
why not. make a development team, and those of us interrested buy shares - in development - not the product. ?

Rauha 2014-01-24 21:10

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
Kimmoli really should become a hardware mogul.

Just because world deserves a corporate logo based on his face doodle. And truckloads of products with that logo.

kimmoli 2014-01-24 21:26

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1408734)
why not. make a development team, and those of us interrested buy shares - in development - not the product. ?

It is not so easy to do things like this here in Finland...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1408751)
Kimmoli really should become a hardware mogul.

Just because world deserves a corporate logo based on his face doodle. And truckloads of products with that logo.

Really - i did LOL...

It is not so big investment to get eagle standard upgraded from hobby version. I'll go for that.

I should get the proximity sensor parts early next week, then write some code for it (if dirkvl doesn't keep me busy with keyboard).

Kabouik 2014-01-24 21:57

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1408719)
Latest print finished...

Total phone thickness now 11.5 mm (original by spec 9.9mm)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...o/14010025.jpg

bezel is now three layers (0.3mm) thick:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...o/14010032.jpg

Really thin 2-sided tape used to fix pcb to printed part. oled might need to be glued in place:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...140124_004.jpg

I must say I do not regret having raised my hand when you told about the first 5 OHOLED 40 € each. :)

Too bad the Sculpteo parts have a minimal thickness of 0.5 mm (even though total thickness of the OH remains unchanged), this may trap more dust and look a little bit less good. But there are constraints and that OH will be awesome anyway! Impressive work!

F2thaK 2014-01-25 07:39

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1408719)
Latest print finished...

Total phone thickness now 11.5 mm (original by spec 9.9mm)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...o/14010025.jpg

bezel is now three layers (0.3mm) thick:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...o/14010032.jpg

Really thin 2-sided tape used to fix pcb to printed part. oled might need to be glued in place:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...140124_004.jpg

wow! shame about the license.

nodevel 2014-01-25 09:08

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
The last version is almost perfect! Seriously considering this.

Just one question: Is the 'TOHOLED' text and your logo going to be on the final model as well?
I think it would be cool to have it on the pcb as seen on the pictures, but I like to have the back of my phone as clean as possible. :)

kimmoli 2014-01-25 09:56

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1408811)
The last version is almost perfect! Seriously considering this.

Thank you
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1408811)
Just one question: Is the 'TOHOLED' text and your logo going to be on the final model as well?

Next version will have these on inside. It has been easier to check that the print starts ok with some details instead of just a large flat area. (first layer is sometimes tricky)

ATM these are negative, so they make the plastic thin and fragile on those places.
I could easily push my finger through the 'derp' (then it looks like this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sJJDxcXZbX...0/Facepalm.png)

MaemoUser 2014-01-25 16:19

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Will you offer it in different colors? And which informations do you plan to show on the OLED?

kimmoli 2014-01-25 16:24

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MaemoUser (Post 1408890)
Will you offer it in different colors? And which informations do you plan to show on the OLED?


color is good question ... check sculpteo polished plastic selection

displays now clock, battery % , and new SMS.
need some coding to get more...

Rauha 2014-01-25 19:45

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1408891)

displays now clock, battery % , and new SMS.
need some coding to get more...

Add new email and thats all I need


Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1408891)
color is good question ... check sculpteo polished plastic selection

White, black, red, green, blue or yellow, they say. Black is not an option to me. I'm sort of used to Jolla meaning phone with dual colors.

Will it be possible to change the colour of numbers/text on the OHOLED.(?) I think I'll go with yellow plastics, if the blue OLED text in your pics can be changed. (Assuming that you'll take more orders later)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1408811)
I think it would be cool to have it on the pcb as seen on the pictures, but I like to have the back of my phone as clean as possible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1408821)
ATM these are negative, so they make the plastic thin and fragile on those places.

Dammit, I want that freaky face doodle logo!

kimmoli 2014-01-25 22:27

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1408915)
White, black, red, green, blue or yellow, they say. Black is not an option to me. I'm sort of used to Jolla meaning phone with dual colors.

it is black now, as i have all parameters correct for that material in the printer. i like also the dual color thing.
See below for selection available while placing the order... few more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1408915)
Will it be possible to change the colour of numbers/text on the OHOLED.(?) I think I'll go with yellow plastics, if the blue OLED text in your pics can be changed.

It is actually white... it looks blueish in pictures taken with N9, i will try to get my better camera up and running.
It is available also in blue/yellow as seen in "kimmo testaa" first proto (clock will be blue, battery level+notifications in yellow)
I prefer this white one.

If someone wants to see live, it is possible in Espoo :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1408915)
Dammit, I want that freaky face doodle logo!

It makes no big price difference to have different models when ordering from sculpteo, so maybe this will be a option too.. :) if you insist. (just saving 1€ each when more than 5)

Or if someone is happy with this black PLA, it is also option.
I have also PLA-90 in 'natural' color, grayish white. I haven't tested it yet... (Also white, red, green and blue PLA, transparent, Glow green in dark white ABS (which from i cant print this large parts))


Just made test-order from sculpteo... 1pc = 32€ including UPS express shipping. Should be here 4th february. Lets see can they do 0.3mm.

Kabouik 2014-01-26 02:41

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Good to know there are actually additional colours when you order, the panel they show for polished plastic is not very appealing to me (colours are too "raw"). The colours from your last message seem better, but I wonder how reliable they are (just look at the "white" one which is barely whitish).

Oh, and I want that rageface too on my TOHOLED if it's achievable. :)

DJJonosound 2014-01-26 06:18

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1408425)
Seems you already have your 5 preorderers then! Perhaps even 6 if DJJonosound wants one, not sure from his post. :]

You should engrave serial numbers on them, I'd have the #1 and would spread my pride everywhere. http://forum-images.hardware.fr/imag...petoulachi.gif

I would if I could get a jolla D:

tiempjuuh 2014-01-26 07:27

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
If you make more than five of them, will the price drop to about 30 euros? If so, I think you can count me in! :)

F2thaK 2014-01-26 07:32

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJonosound (Post 1408982)
I would if I could get a jolla D:

ditto........

kimmoli 2014-01-26 07:54

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tiempjuuh (Post 1408985)
If you make more than five of them, will the price drop to about 30 euros?

I'm doing this already this pro bono, so cost is for materials.

Price for toholed is 40€ + shipping (+ volunteer development support).

tiempjuuh 2014-01-26 10:09

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
If the shipping costs aren't too high, count me in! :)

tommo 2014-01-26 10:22

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
great work, im definitely in for one of these, when can i pay!

kpblxa 2014-01-26 11:15

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
add wireless charging to this toh and i'll order 3 :D

rannari 2014-01-26 11:36

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1408989)
Price for toholed is 40€ + shipping (+ volunteer development support).

Count me in!

Absolutely fantastic work.

kimmoli 2014-01-27 12:06

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
pöh.

Sculpteo
Quote:

It has come to our attention that the item can not be printed due to a issue with your 3D file.
Reason: too fragile
your order has been cancelled
So 0.3mm is not printable...

hnhanu 2014-01-27 14:33

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Yes please, one for me too!
When ready, just inform how to pay.

Bundyo 2014-01-27 14:55

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmoli (Post 1409260)
pöh.

Sculpteo

So 0.3mm is not printable...

There is fragility check in Sculpteo's tools which shows the fragile location in red.

kimmoli 2014-01-27 15:10

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1409284)
There is fragility check in Sculpteo's tools which shows the fragile location in red.

Yes i know..., but i had to try anyway ...

kimmoli 2014-01-27 16:47

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Proximity sensor and IR led soldered...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...140127_010.jpg

And they even match about to the print...
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q...140127_013.jpg

Kabouik 2014-01-27 18:09

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Wow, did not even know these were planned in this OH (I thought the OLED was gonna be on everytime the main Jolla sensor is covered, but I guess here you can significantly save battery life).

What is the IR led for? Is it needed for the proximity sensor to know whether there is something covering it?

mwallgren 2014-01-27 19:08

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Perfect, this is just the feature that I was missing after N9. If you are making more these, please count me in for one. :)

Mohjive 2014-01-28 20:42

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Get me one! ;)
Jokes aside, this is freaking awesome. Though I'm torn between which is best, this or an e-paper toh. Anyway, this is still awesome!

If you've got a project, somewhere, I could maybe chip in some devel time as well.

eachna 2014-01-29 02:41

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kpblxa (Post 1409032)
add wireless charging to this toh and i'll order 3 :D

Since you bring this up, best to ask kimmoli:

Since you're working on several OHs, is there any chance of assorted features being combined into single OH plates?

We have a qwerty OH, a wireless charging OH, this OLED OH all in development (plus others).

I could see a OLED or eInk + wireless charging OH...maybe with one or two other tweaks that would be useful when the phone is "at rest".

And then the Qwerty with an extra physically "small" option for using when the phone is "On the go". Maybe integrate a full feature NFC tag?

The specifics don't matter, I'm not trying to ask that specific OH's be made. Instead, I'm just curious if there are any plans to combine multiple features into one plate?

kimmoli 2014-01-29 05:43

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eachna (Post 1409526)
I'm just curious if there are any plans to combine multiple features into one plate?

We are in early phase of TOH developments here, so i think it is better to first concentrate on TOHs that do one thing.

Otherwise we might get something that doesn't fit nor vibrate.

When these one-job TOHs are up, tested on field etc. marketing stuff, there could be time for übertoh...

andreas1 2014-01-29 06:05

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
this seems pretty damn interesting!

Would it be possible to update the first post with prices, latest how-it-would-look-pic etc -> eases also answering to the poll :o

kimmoli 2014-01-29 07:52

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas1 (Post 1409536)
Would it be possible to update the first post ...

Updated. (blaa blaa 10 characters here for the forum)

matimilko 2014-01-29 08:08

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Great work!
For TOH with ink paper, You can count me in!!!

So. Now, with two Kidneys You can do something ;)

Unit247 2014-01-29 08:24

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Hey looks great, looking forward to buy it for my Jolla

egnat69 2014-01-30 08:51

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
be sure to let me know when you want my money ;D

wuest 2014-01-30 13:50

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Brilliant work! This solves the single thing I miss most from my N9. I can't wait to give you my money.

MAX9 2014-01-30 16:32

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
is available in a few days? ;) I will buy it

kimmoli 2014-01-30 16:48

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
it will take about month before larger batch.
first ones in couple of weeks.

Kabouik 2014-01-30 21:57

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
Who's on the list for the first ones? I feel I may fall just after the lucky ones, looking at the thread. :<

Can't wait to give you my money, anyway. :)

kimmoli 2014-01-31 06:12

Re: [WIP] Jolla OtherHalf OLED display (POLL!!!)
 
I think i know now who are in the first four.

Please check that you have voted 'yes' in Poll, or you will be dropped out.
One of the first has not voted.

There is still some things that has to be clarified before i can sell these, but assembly will start during weekend.

The 3D print is still open - is sculpteo good enough? i did reorder sample and it should come next week.


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