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Making it worse would be difficult :D

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At least it has 2 GB of RAM.

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That's not the only consideration though...

I've been using the Fairphone 2 for quite a while now, and the small software related issues that I have (PPI not detected properly, very occasional ~2 weekly keyboard crash that causes a reboot) are far less annoying than the serious hardware issues that I had with Jolla 1 (earpiece speaker broke very quickly due to dodgy contact/bad build quality, something wrong with the SIM holder that repeatedly corrupted my SIM cards in a way that meant my data would stop working suddenly, and then eventually i'd have no service at all until I went into town and replaced the SIM).

How do you repair a Jolla 1? You can't even get spare parts for most of it. How do you repair a Fairphone? Hopefully you won't have to because the build quality is better to start with. If you do need to make a repair, you can order the parts from the manufacturer and do it yourself instead of sending it off to Finland...

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Just to be on the safe side: You know there's a cm12 based sfos for the nexus5 which improves battery life significantly, bluetooth stability and solves the video recording issue? As kodi is available natively (thanks to liar) i don't need sfdroid, getting back OTA for cm12 base is a matter time.

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LOL. Making it equally bad would be somewhat easier though. :D

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I'm not so sure - I think ODMs would find it very difficult to source any more 1-cent potato-based image sensors these days.

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I don't particularly see the point of this. At least not the transparent 'developer programme' / 'community device' stuff. Also seems like a poor value prospect when you'll be able to import the identical Intex device for significantly less (and with a proper warranty - albeit at distance - presumably).

Only way it makes sense is to gauge interest ahead of a possible larger run.

It does serve one useful purpose for the remnants of the community, though. We now know that Intex availability is aimed at July ... but as this is Jolla, that probably means December.

Frankly, I'm amazed Intex have stuck with them.

The only thing I'm really concerned with is that now we know C / Intex have a quad core, if they'll fix Sailfish to actually be able to use 2 cores or more properly. If not, they might as well have specified a dual core, as the extra 2 cores would be useless for all tasks except Alien Dalvik based ones.

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Isn't it should be the same and they should build developers community?
And how so to become a member of community you need just to pay the fee. What does it remind you btw? And how do I become member of community if i buy this device and not other Jolla device? Isn't anyone buying any Jolla device, even not Jolla's but device with ported SFOS part of the community. Don't you think actually that those who bought android devices to port and support Jolla. Those who donated refund to them. Those who active in community and create a lot of apps. Maybe those people deserve to get free one's from them. But if they just sell phone for full price with no warranty and as they out they check if they can sell more(reminds me second waves of tablets btw). I do not think is anything about community, but mostly about money chi-ching.

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Any news/inside for second batch? Really want this device but missed the order... :(

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Care to specify that 'significantly less' with actual figures?

If you do, take into consideration proper VAT (for different countries) + postage.
How would you 'import' from Snapdeal - via agent or take a trip to India? Consider those, too.

What comes to warranty and distance: limitations exist e.g. you cannot ship mobile phones from UK to India, you cannot ship devices with batteries via post office from Finland to India (only via courier i.e. UPS/DHL, read: costly) etc... I'm sure other limitations exist. Of course, you can take (another) trip to India which is a bit pricey for that -as you put it- 'proper warranty' and IMO practically nullifies it altogether in usefulness.

Not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to see what 'significantly less' actually comes down to, proper warranty or not.

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No it isn't, should it be? Why? Community consists of many people, not all of them need to be developers:

Work on your enthusiasm for starters, haters really make poor community members. What does what remind me?
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, not really sure what you're on about? Want some free stuff or what? Jolla is not in a financial position to fund those. Maybe you buy each person you view as 'worthy' a device, lead the way dude. Are you butthurt because you are not getting freebies?
Yeah, community asked for Intex devices to be available in EU, they listened and offered them, BAD JOLLA as always, geez. 69k euro heist, yup, makes total sense

you keep both pieces!

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I'd seen an early misprint on a site re: the price - €275 ... €175 is a rather better deal.

However, sending things around - regardless of sparsely policed import regs - is rather less complicated than you make it sound.

Also, I don't think the battery part is significant. Since if the device is faulty as opposed to the battery, you need not return the battery.

Still, the seeming likelihood of them wanting to try to get away with a very limited warranty should be rather alarming. Especially given that this is Jolla (major issues in the past), and that Intex generally tend to offer EXTREMELY cheap devices from low grade OEMs, which probably have a higher than average failure rate. Also, I don't think a limited warranty is likely to be compatible with EU law. There is no way to not define this as a consumer product, given that despite the titular developer programme, it is absolutely nothing of the sort and makes no attempt to be. There's no selection or application process ... it's just first come, first served for ANYONE.

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There is some doubt that they will implement any kind of payment processing for the Jolla Store before the Jolla Phone's 3rd birthday. Indeed, I suspect they may have given up on it completely now that they're hugely understaffed - not that it would have required any vast number of man hours.

Given the above, I don't think Paypal only is any kind of surprise.

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Before anyone blame me for tags. It wasn't me.

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You conveniently left out VAT + shipping cost + how to actually get the phone from Snapdeal (they don't deliver outside India, as far as I know) -> more expenses.

So I'd say getting the Intex phone to your hands costs more than you make it sound.

And regarding warranty you know for certain the battery is not at fault, how?
But let's say it's not and it can be left out. The phone still cannot be sent to India at least by UK Royal Mail http://www.royalmail.com/india (under Prohibitions). Sure, it may not be complicated to send it otherwise - but it will cost you more.

Your 'significantly less' does not yet sound very convincing.

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Sure it wasn't ;)

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Can you read? You even quoted the part of my post where I'd seen €275 as opposed to €175.

Most issues are not battery related. Many obviously not so.

Transporting Lithium-Ion batteries by air should not be an issue if they are detached from the device.

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(Actually it's the opposite, but it's an irrelevant point since you'd have to pay both EU and Indian customs, which certainly means it'd be cheaper to buy another device.)

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*Ahem* my bad. Messed the currency in my head and understood you wrong. Don't drink & type, kids! (joking, I was just running late but never mind)... My apologies.

Granted. But with or without battery the cost of shipping and related expenses can rise so much the actual warranty is a thin consolation.

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Well, I used to buy stuff there before without having to use Paypal. Is it only the Community Program, or is the full store now Paypal-only?

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does it really matter? It's not that there is something to buy anyway. And it is so for a very loooooooong time. I still want black TOH...... for 29€.
The same goes for harbor, they would like to attract developers with jolla C (and they sold them to anyone so that some who maybe is interested in development now can't get one) but at the same time those developers have no way to sell their apps in the store since store does not support payment.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXaxLQ0W8AAhaLh.jpg

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So first you buy a device, then you travel to an event with your money, than you spend your time to develop, then you give away for free and you maintain your application for free. Sounds like a sweet deal ;)

The program should possibly include some option for Jolla to refund/award developers/others that contribute during program so atleast the device will be free.

Since they have the tablet scam refund those dev refunds should be easy now. Another option could be that second part of the tablet refund could(if decided by user) sent to an account and go back to developers in the program)

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Luckily I paid one.
Anybody know whether Intex sell the Aqua battery? so I can use in my Jolla C.

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How I see this program:


https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEdv5...WBWM/giphy.gif


How fanboys see this program:


http://i.imgur.com/eb3SvXO.gif


What is this program in reality:


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/283...ng-a-cow-o.gif

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Think you should wait until they actually deliver! Would be silly to get burned buying accessories for 2 devices that don't arrive.

Anyway they only said it was replaceable, not that you could buy a spare :D. Maybe by the time Intex release their version it will be so out of date, it will probably be cheaper than a spare battery.

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I honestly don't remember if I used PayPal the last time in the Jolla shop or not. Probably yes. If you do not have a PayPal.account, I agree that having to create one is terribly annoying. But if, like me, you have one already anyway, then I see no reason for giving my bank/card details to Jolla as well as PayPal, so I may as well use PayPal.

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They are not making any profit from it, hateboy...

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There is other things than money in that milk, fanboy.

And before you crazy. I don't say this program is Useless. Jolla had to do something and it's better than nothin.

Peace out.

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Peace to you too scamboy :P

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problem is........... they don't make any profit on anything. And judging by their weird decisions since the begining, it seems deliberate.

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When I saw it, I thought for a while: "Maybe finally something with hwkb". Jolla is really wasting the niche.

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Most hardware that would be built now with a keyboard would invariably break quite quickly. Build quality has waned almost as fast as the mainstream want for a hardware keyboard. Almost.

They already are a niche product. Becoming an even more niche product would not be advisable if they wanted to turn a profit and/or continue to make strides in their visibility.

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If you want visibility, do something new. Not another rectangular slab with a glass front. And before anyone starts shouting about the OS, no one really cares. If anything, the OS is a detriment.

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Gonna disagree with you somewhat here. Where we agree; they need to do something different/new indeed. They did that with "The Other Half" on the initial release, but it's been some years since that first came out.

Now? They need to put something in the hands of folks that's a bit more up-to-date - specs is an argument I'll not venture into since honestly it's not the older phone and thus "new".

Where we disagree; I think this stalls a lot of the naysayers once these devices have been delivered and the company can be seen as moving forward past this tablet non-delivery. This is a necessary and visible move, but it's less about the hardware than it is about maintaining their position and intent to become an alternative solution than iOS and Android.

While I'd love to have seen a device that incorporates Kinect-like touch-less gestures - I hate touching my phone and leaving fingerprints when I need quick information and it's on my desk. Or I'd love to have seen a device that sorta breaks the mold like the vaporware Ubuntu Edge looked to do with some killer specs and industrial design - again, we knew that it was not going to make it at that campaign price. But at the end of the day, I see this as a way to stay relevant. Seems to be working; this thread as evidence.

Now let's hope the people with the devices endeavor to make something memorable as opposed to folks that just argue ad nauseum just to be right about something. I've no time or temperament to deal with that level of folly. I'd just rather deal with stuff that makes sense and has an impact.

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I agree with everything you said. The kind of visibility I meant (same as the kind I thought you meant to start with) is the visibility by Jimmy Public. You know, the guy sitting next to you at work and feverishly tapping in Wazzap on his Samsung. The guy who would normally never have looked in Jolla's direction. The kind of visibility you are talking about is fine but it applies only to those who are already watching. Kinda like preaching to the converted.

By the way, the kind if customers who like Jolla for the OS (as opposed to, say despite the OS) also happen to be the kind who like a hardware keyboard. If not a complete match, there is at least a large overlap.

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I truly doubt that the folks coming from iOS or Android could be converted until more functionality and devices exist. That's why I went the direction I went in regards to visibility. Simply stated, they need more than a few thousand pieces and a few hundred incomplete apps to change the layman's mind.

I am just not sold on this. That's just my personal take and perhaps my own stubbornness to accept otherwise.

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buy a surface
put your fav linux + gnome3 on it
???
profit

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Can you buy a surface without giving money to Microsoft?
Can you fit a surface in the pocket?

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The question marks are if the wireless and/or touch will work, right?

Gotta be.