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That is a great, great news. Unfortunately, I would prefer a device designed for thumb typing, i.e., with a narrower keyboard and smaller keys, whereas the Gemini is mostly designed as a mini-laptop and is best used on a table with full hands. It still makes the Gemini a more interesting product to me though, and I'll keep an eye on potential rebates or second hand devices.

I think it shows the nice mutual benefits between Sailfish and the Gemini (and potentially future HWKB devices like Chen's in case of similar partnerships), and it should bring extra media coverage on privacy-friendly OSes (which is timely after the latest scandals and the EU realization that people shouldn't give everything to Google/Apple/Facebook/etc.) and the comeback of hardware keyboards on mobile devices.

The latter is still shy but there's hope. After all, even Microsoft and Apple have started to advertise on their optional keyboards for tablets a few years ago. With the current trend towards phablets showing that customers are keen to using bigger phones for more browsing comfort if it helps rationalizing their devices, HWKB devices could claim a small user base among those that need productivity or need more than just reading content.

Since they offer keyboard shortcuts and full screen estate for the content, HWKB mobile devices are also much better terminals for using cloud computing services, another thing that is expanding very quickly these days as 4G is getting more accessible (see Shadow.tech, Rainway, Parsec, Moolinght, and so on). Some of them primarily target gaming, but they can do much more; see screenshots from my Jolla C here:

https://reho.st/self/6cff4e2228dc40f...791e3a4eb9.jpg

https://reho.st/self/e00f43024177f1e...cacccabb01.jpg

I'm not particularly a big fan of Windows, but there are many use cases for this, other host OSes will eventually be possible, and the Gemini can already boot under Debian. It looks like a regular VNC/Rdesktop/Teamviewer session, but in fact the stream is smooth with close to no noticeable latency thanks to a much better up bandwidth than the typical home computer, which is a game changer (and with their homemade application or even Parsec, the stream is optimized so you could play in 60 fps, watch videos or scroll text with no hiccups, but those apps require Android 5).

Now I'm not saying this should replace a local OS (some do, I strongly disagree, it's good to decentralize and to have an OS that is independent from network), but imagine how nice that could be with a keyboard and a stylus on the phone if you are in a country where unlimited data plans are affordable.

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By the way Rcolistete, I can't find any mention of Sailfish 3 in the press release you linked, but it's in your quote. Is it from another source? Did they edit because it was wrong? I would think so, because I'm almost sure I read it on Indiegogo an hour ago. They still mention Sailfish X, but they removed any mentions of "Sailfish 3" or "official version". I'm chilling now.

Edit: Phew.

Re: Gemini PDA (the return of the Psion Series 5MX)
 

Planet Computers cited Sailfish 3 and Sailfish X as the same thing, but they aren't (AFAIK).

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From Jolla Blog :

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Yep, I had added the Jolla's press release in my edit above. Feels good to have a firm confirmation that there will be an official Sailfish version for the device.

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I ordered my Gemini PDA for 530 US dollars, I would have backed it if I had the money. I should get it in a few weeks. The seller was nice enough to send me the US version instead.

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I will be making Youtube Videos about the Gemini PDA, when I get one, as I feel there is a shortage of such videos.

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I would appreciate that. I'm still looking for a replacement for my netbook (Eee 1000) that I like. I don't want to spend a fortune in Apple Tax and I don't need stupidly high specs. Gemini or GPD are one option but I'm not sure if they are too small.

Having upgraded the RAM to 2GB, it still matches RAM and beats HDD storage (40 Vs 32) of most of the current equivalent price and size replacements. CPU and RAM speed they hands down will beat the Atom N270/ DDR2 setup but not worth my money if the other specs aren't higher. Even the 4GB RAM in some wouldn't justify it.

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I've since last month a Gemini 4G with triple boot (Android 7.1, Debian 9.4/LXQt, Sailfish 2.1.4.14).

Gemini isn't so large if compared with 5.5" smartphones when in my pocket.

Keyboard is great, like Psion 5/5MX one, so a lot better than Nokia N810/N900 and Sailfish TOH Keyboard. Even better than many keyboards of normal and large notebooks !

Android 7.1 is 100% operational on Gemini.

Sailfish OS 2.1.4.14 (from community) is 100% operational after some small configuration (use only 3G, lock screen landscape mode, install 'Bleeding edge sd-utils' to automout uSD), only lacks proprietary (Android, etc) support. If needed Android app, just boot Android 7.1.1, anyway.

Debian stretch 9.4 is ARM 64 bits, currently needs some configuration (automount uSD, change hostname, CLI Bluetooth device configuration, touchscreen as touchpad), but itsn't 100% operational as 3G/4G doesn't work (only WiFi and Bluetooth) and there are some softwares with too small fonts (Gnome one's ?), like Synaptic, IDLE, Geogebra, etc.
LXQt is configured with some keyboard shortcuts.
I'm finishing the configuration of Debian @ Gemini to be used as a small notebook using LibreOffice/Abiword/Gnumeric, TeX (TeXLive & TeXMaker), Thunderbird, Dropbox via rclone, Python, SciDavis, etc.

My Gemini has a 128GB uSD with 32GB FAT32 partition (visible by Android 7.1, Debian, Sailfish) and the rest with Ext4 (visible by Debian and Sailfish).

With Gemini 4G using Debian and Sailfish you can have a smartphone and a full Linux mini-notebook in your pocket. I'm indeed planning to only carry my Gemini in some situations (travelling light, etc).

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Man, please stop teasing me. I had to spend a lot of money on new glasses just last week, I really cannot afford a new toy.

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Odd. I thought Android supported Ext4 as well. A few years back they wanted to remove it (why??) but public outcry changed their minds. Did they sneak this anti-feature back in, with a newer Android feature?

What's keeping me from ordering a device like the Gemini or GDP Pocket 2 is the apparent lack of an accurate point device, like a trackpoint or induction stylus. These device are more suitable to run desktop apps on occasion than smartphone, but hitting on-screen buttons with your fat fingers might be too cumbersome.
Or am I wrong on this, and is there a solution for this? (apart from linking up some external BT pointing device)

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I got a job to be able to buy one. After this I will only buy some needed parts to rebuild my desktop, no more major purchases after that.

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Ext4 partition is recognized when mounting/using Termux with root. But the majority of Android apps don't see Ext4 partitions.
And ExFat is not included in Android 7.1 @ Gemini.

On Debian there's this solution :
Touchscreen as touchpad - relative mouse input
that works very well, all the 6" inch screen is a large touchpad, with some gestures working as right mouse click, etc.

And USB-C->USB-A cable with USB mouse works very well on Android 7.1 and Debian @ Gemini.

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The Adonit jot dash and Adonit Snap both work with the Gemini PDA and provide precise input. Not sure about the GPD Pocket 2.

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That made me interested. Do they work by affecting screen electrostatic field as if touched by a finger? Quick search tells so, but they also have Bluetooth.

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After using Arch for years without a reinstall, I switched shortly after they dropped 32bit (another reason for looking to replace the Eee) to Debian Sid. After going Original (Xandros based), Fedora, Debian, Arch and now Sid over the years, I'm quite liking Debian so that would probably be the direction I'd take.

Might have to look into 3G/4G progress/patches before making a decision

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I do believe they are capacitive and electrostatic.

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The Pocket 2 does have a small optical mouse sensors.

https://youtu.be/abGuaHe1w-E

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It was in response to this
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...64#post1547264

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According to my order tracking my Gemini PDA has arrived in the Los Angeles postal distribution center. So I should get my device by this week!

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I gave in and bought one a few weeks ago.Booted it once to check the hardware, then reflashed with Linux and SFOS. Ive booted linux a couple of times to play with, but otherwise its my daily driver phone.
I've noticed a few issues, but its at least as good as the X was running the community port.

Hoping the external button will answer calls in SF3...
Had a couple of random reboots while in standby - due to current restrictions when it comes back its running android, otherwise I might not have noticed.
Keyboard is great.
Failed to find a decent carry case. Planets own offering looks like it might not be as protective as I would like. Waiting on a custom case from a chinese ebay seller Ive used before.
Some apps dont like the super wide landscape screen e.g.Stellarium
Forum pages often dont render properly in the browser, too wide for the screen and wont scroll or zoom out.

Pretty minor stuff all in all - Roll on SF3!

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Hi. How do you make a call with this device? Do you have have to open it up and use the keyboard or touchscreen. Can the keyboard swing back 360 degrees? Just trying to understand if it is difficult to make calls. How is the experience for owners? Thanks.

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Can you elaborate with a screenshot on the issue with Stellarium Epninety? Does it run with bugs, or does it crash?

Unless I misunderstood what you meant, no it can't. The angle is fixed.

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You have to open the device to make a call. In android theres an external button which can be used to answer, but currently non functional in SFOS.
Can of course answer with BT headset, possibly make calls too if you have a smarter headset than I do.

That reminds me, it does not connect to my (older Land Rover) car BT eitherm but I expected that as the same happened with the X using the community builds.

The Gemini opens like a regular laptop, it does not flip around to give a tablet form factor.

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Seems to be working, but the layout and scaling is messed up.
It's not specifically a Stellarium issue, theres a few apps I've tried where I cant access a screen button without triggering the pulley system etc.

I seem to notice the network switching bug(*) more often than I did before but that might be just because it's more useable so I'm using it more :-)

(*) Device claims not network connection despite having both mobile and wifi available. Mildly annoying when the email app says 'Sorry I cant connect to the network' with a popup on top saying 'you have 6 new emails' :o

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Erm, sad. Is it Sterllarium for Sailfish 0.9.1 or is it another version?

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Not sure if I'd be happy with this design for a DD. If there was a screen on both the inside and outside of the device I might buy it. So when tbe clam shell is closed I use it like any smartphone and when the clam shell is open I use it more like a computer. Both the phone and computer could have access to same files. That would be nice!

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Stellarium SFM 0.3-1 from OpenRepos (Identifies as 0.12.3 on the console output)

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I think I found another version here on TMO, and I seem to remember it was supposed to fix a display issue. Could be the one you're having. Let me check if I can find the post where I found it, otherwise I can send you the rpm and let you test on the Gemini.

[Edit] Oh, it was here but now I see the one in Openrepos is an update to that, I should probably update too by the way. Sorry for the false hope.

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My delivery is now in City of Industry. It is no longer in customs or being inspected. I should get it soon, possibly tomorrow!

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USPS says my package should be delivered today! I will do an unboxing video soon.

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I am using both, GPD Pocket and Gemini and they are quite different: the GPD is is just a normal Windows Laptop with a trackpoint that is very helpful on a small screen. To work with documents, the 7" screen of the GPD is better than the 6" screen of the Gemini. Build quality of the GPD pocket is superb, battery life and performance are good.

The Gemini is more pocketable and has a modem and it runs SFOS along with Android and Linux as recoliste correctly pointed out.

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https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...bd&oe=5BFF9A57

My new device

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Next to a HP Pro Tablet 608 G1

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f6&oe=5C375B5C

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Lucky you, hope you'll like it!

Can we see it open and closed next to a typical TMO device, like a N900, N9, Jolla or Jolla C?

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I got T-Mobile LTE and VOLTE to work. Initially I wasn't able to get data working but tweaking the sim card settings got it to pick up T-Mobile's LTE network. Unfortunately while there is no 3g or 3.5g data for areas without LTE, but LTE works better than did my previous two devices. Plus neither of my devices did VoLTE.

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Next to my JollaC...

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Didn't have a third phone to take pictures earlier on...


N900 (of course), X and Gemini

http://www.ep90.com/images/maemo/gemini/1.JPG
http://www.ep90.com/images/maemo/gemini/2.JPG
http://www.ep90.com/images/maemo/gemini/3.JPG
http://www.ep90.com/images/maemo/gemini/4.JPG

Hope that's useful :)

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Does gemini have camera?