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h3llraz0r 2010-05-03 11:36

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Nokia purposely leaked it to justify the delay to the community without saying "We can't release an update because we're trying to figure out how to make it stable". Nokia is most probably willing to take the risk with causing almost bricked phones because the ones who updated it would get the illusion that it's still buggy and they're still working on it so they would stop making bad press to the world that the N900 is a bad phone from its bad support.

lma 2010-05-03 11:37

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eitama (Post 639973)
I'd like to address the situation of people who have flashed to the leaked PR1.2 and now have problems going back to PR1.1.1

"Blame" is meaningless. If you are not comfortable with taking risks and/or don't really know what you're doing you should probably stick to official supported firmware, but at the end of the day it's your device and you can flash anything you want on it at your own risk. Please accept that you are very unlikely to find support for pirated firmware here, from Nokia or anywhere else though.

gerbick 2010-05-03 11:41

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eitama (Post 640105)
- We = People who flashed, and got into trouble, then asked for help and got bashed.

You didn't get bashed. A question was asked... and yeah. You're to blame for putting yourself in that predicament. I personally can't blame you, the allure of "shiny shiny" is a killer force.

But nobody is "bashing" you. Just that... well. Like I said earlier... for some folks from this community to support you, they'd have to be in the same position.

Quote:

If you CAN HELP, why not?
Good question. But let me ask you this... have you cataloged your grievances, shown how it can be reproduced, and documented it all yet?

It helps when you help others help you by being precise (just as you would in Bugzilla) with your grievance.

That's the problem. You'd not have the grievances if you had delayed your decision. See above.

But as it stands, if you receive help - there are plenty of others working on trying to sidestep the pre-released (leaked) PR1.2 software just as you. And when the question of "are we to blame?" comes up, don't get too upset when the truth smacks you in the face. It was an avoidable decision that you didn't avoid; time to man up and own your decision.

Stop deflecting. That's not helping you at all. If all of the pre-release PR1.2 folks got together, sorted out what they were all seeing, tried to work it out all together, who knows. Both the community and Nokia might be able to help.

But as it stands, trying to decipher statements being stated towards you as snobbish, angry, or whatever is personalizing a situation where it just doesn't help you.

I'm trying to be honest here... all of you, get organized. Really document what you see, what's going on... in one thread... and perhaps something might come of it.

Good luck. I truly wish you all success.

sjgadsby 2010-05-03 11:41

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eitama (Post 640111)
...more over, it's inside the General forum.

Isn't. Neither the N900 nor the recently leaked build of Maemo 5 are the main focus of this site. The focus is the larger topic of Maemo and the community that has grown around it. Out of respect for those community members not using N900s or any version of Maemo 5, let's keep General free of N900/Maemo 5 specific threads.

jakiman 2010-05-03 11:42

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by h3llraz0r (Post 640128)
I wouldn't be surprised if Nokia purposely leaked it to justify the delay to the community without saying "We can't release an update because we're trying to figure out how to make it stable". Nokia is most probably willing to take the risk with causing almost bricked phones because the ones who updated it would get the illusion that it's still buggy and they're still working on it so they would stop making bad press to the world that the N900 is a bad phone from its bad support.

I like a bit of conspiracy myself but I don't think Nokia did it for this one. If I was Nokia and wanted to do what you said, I would have still released the latest build. Then I would get some public feedback which is also useful. Releasing an old build is a bit too nasty. =P

oskarmat 2010-05-03 11:43

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eitama (Post 640011)

I fail to see the resemblance between aids and leaked PR.

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Let's try another "resemblance": It's a bit like invading someone else's house and decide to live there, without any right of sort. And then blaming the people criticing you for what you've done.
Rings a bell?

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2010-05-03 11:51

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
I'm not sure whether this really needs to be said because it is self-evident what risks are involved if one installs software for consumer electronics outside of official distribution, but just to clear: The software referred here to is unofficial #N900 firmware causing damage to devices! Don't download! Follow conversations.nokia.com for official announcements.

Astute 2010-05-03 11:51

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
To blame for what exactly ??

From what i'm reading many appear to have flashed their 900's with what appears to be a questionable version of claimed PR1.2.

From this end i'm quite happy waiting for something more official and living with my device in it's legitimate form as it is is today.

As always, patience is a virtue ;)

Peter@Maemo Marketing 2010-05-03 11:55

Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 
I'm not sure whether this really needs to be said because it is self-evident what risks are involved if one installs software for consumer electronics outside of official distribution, but just to clear: The software referred here to is unofficial #N900 firmware causing damage to devices! Don't download! Follow conversations.nokia.com for official announcements.

Corwin 2010-05-03 11:55

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 640144)
I'm not sure whether this really needs to be said because it is self-evident what risks are involved if one installs software for consumer electronics outside of official distribution, but just to clear: The software referred here to is unofficial #N900 firmware causing damage to devices! Don't download! Follow conversations.nokia.com for official announcements.

Thanks a lot for the comment, Peter. Could you be more specific with 'is damaging devices', though? We are techie enough to understand :)

Best regards,
Corwin


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