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patlak 2010-06-08 19:33
Re: iPhone 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 705914)
The iPhone was also loudly marketed as a phone.


Because MMS fundamentally required breaking the persistent internet connection and swapping over to an alternate access point to do the download. Newer kernels have somewhat resolved this, but Nokia focused ENTIRELY on standard internet protocols and not on hackjob telecom protocols.

But at the same time, the device is open enough that fMMS could come into existence. So you can have MMSes while I continue to not use them, and save the memory/space the software would otherwise have occupied.
Right on, brotha :P

nosa101 2010-06-08 19:45
Re: iPhone 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 705914)
The iPhone was also loudly marketed as a phone.


Because MMS fundamentally required breaking the persistent internet connection and swapping over to an alternate access point to do the download. Newer kernels have somewhat resolved this, but Nokia focused ENTIRELY on standard internet protocols and not on hackjob telecom protocols.

But at the same time, the device is open enough that fMMS could come into existence. So you can have MMSes while I continue to not use them, and save the memory/space the software would otherwise have occupied.
So you are justifying the lack of official mms support?

wmarone 2010-06-08 19:47
Re: iPhone 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 705944)
So you are justifying the lack of official mms support?
Sure. I don't give a damn about MMS. And fMMS was made available in a much shorter timeframe than Apple bothered to add MMS.

Better yet, fMMS is open source, instead of being yet another closed bit in the system.

MMS, quite frankly, is obsolete and needs to die.

patlak 2010-06-08 19:55
Re: iPhone 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 705944)
So you are justifying the lack of official mms support?
Think about it, with such high resolution displays these days, you prefer to pay to send a highly compressed 10kb image???

nosa101 2010-06-08 19:55
Re: iPhone 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 705894)
MMS is not a feature thats quite used. people complain for a missing feature just because they want to have it and brag about it.

It took apple 3 years to include multitasking, finally in the 4th iteration of the os and is not quite true multitasking. If it was up to them, they would have not included it. It is pointless to call it a smartphone without multitasking. The competition has forced them, not consumers. Apple differs in their method, but they do manage to bring attention due to this.
People use mms. How else am I going to sens pictures to my non-smartphone using friends?


As for multitasking, apple responded to consumers and not the competition. Consumers that demanded. multitasking switched to competitors and apple responded to that.

Apple put out their implementation of multitasking. They feel their implementation optimizes the device.

radiowc 2010-06-08 20:01
Re: iPhone 4
 
Well, iphone 4 come with HD 720p recording...unfortunately do not have TV output to watch your HD on TV easy way that you capture?? What a waste.

patlak 2010-06-08 20:04
Re: iPhone 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 705958)
People use mms. How else am I going to sens pictures to my non-smartphone using friends?


As for multitasking, apple responded to consumers and not the competition. Consumers that demanded. multitasking switched to competitors and apple responded to that.

Apple put out their implementation of multitasking. They feel their implementation optimizes the device.
Send through email, share through facebook!! Why do you think they introduced 0.facebook.com? Use it.

It's apple's answer to the competition since multitasking is a necessity nowadays. If they have not introduced it sooner or later, iPhone wouldn't be referred to as a smartphone anymore. And Apple isn't losing customers, they are trying to win over customers from other platforms.

ysss 2010-06-08 20:05
Re: iPhone 4
 
@radiowc: I agree. They're marketing it more for digital distribution (direct upload to youtube etc or sync to PC) although I'm sure the hardware supports hdmi output with the correct dongle. They already have a VGA dongle for iPad, which has the same chipsets as iphone 4 afaik.

nosa101 2010-06-08 20:05
Re: iPhone 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 705948)
Sure. I don't give a damn about MMS. And fMMS was made available in a much shorter timeframe than Apple bothered to add MMS.

Better yet, fMMS is open source, instead of being yet another closed bit in the system.

MMS, quite frankly, is obsolete and needs to die.
Fmms is still not official mms. As it stands we have no official mms and the iPhone does. Fmms is still not integrated into conversations.

You personal vendetta against mms is not shared by everyone.

slender 2010-06-08 20:15
Re: iPhone 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 705977)
Fmms is still not official mms. As it stands we have no official mms and the iPhone does. Fmms is still not integrated into conversations.

You personal vendetta against mms is not shared by everyone.
You personal grievance for official MMS support is not shared by everyone.

So what is conclusion?


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