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jalyst 2012-10-02 16:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1275309)
Way to slow. I have already revealed the announcment and sailfish. I thought you had connections and inside information ;)
Way too slow, someone revealed that article before you ;)
Plus the article Stskeeps linked to is their official press release.

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Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1275351)
Posted 2-3 pages here from the horse's mouth instead of engadget :p
Yes I already saw, not 2-3 pages back though, t'was only 1st posted on this page (157)... ;)
Hadn't read it all yet, wasn't sure if it contained all the same info, plus it's good that it's getting coverage at Engadget too.

lma 2012-10-02 16:13
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1275291)

Quote:
"We're also looking into mobile advertising models as a potential source of revenue"
Ouch. Because clearly another Big Brother Inside device is what we need.

Fuzzillogic 2012-10-02 16:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lma (Post 1275371)
Ouch. Because clearly another Big Brother Inside device is what we need.
Troubling indeed. For me that's a prime reason I don't want Android. But for those less fortuned (either mentally and/or financially) it might do the trick, resulting in a larger ecosystem.

Perhaps they use the "Nexus scheme". Google releases open, pure-Android variants more or less under its own brand name as "Nexus devices". However, other companies are still free to lock up and crap up their Android devices trying to differentiate themselves. So, Jolla might release a clean, open, high-end device which can act as showcase. But other companies can create their own variants, perhaps with extra (closed source) features developed and supported by Jolla, such as this advertising-stuff.

Another way to make money, as used by Google: Android, the OS and base applications, is free and open, but those common Google-tools as Google Maps, Play store, GMail are not open and certainly not free for other manufactures.

mahead 2012-10-02 17:16
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1273042)
Who came up with that name. There are no jollausers. :eek:
Maybe it's community for small boat users?

mariusmssj 2012-10-02 17:19
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Jolla Official Press Release October 2nd, 2012

I liked this part:
Quote:
Jolla strongly believes and understands that the community is the heart of the distribution, technology and ideas, and is committed to supporting community involvement and participation within Sailfish.

MINKIN2 2012-10-02 17:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1275291)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...748969228.html

We're also looking into mobile advertising models as a potential source of revenue:
Jolla have been quite vocal with their claims of how closely they have been working with the carriers, I guess it was only to be expected that those companies would like to have the income from the revenue stream that Advertising brings.

szopin 2012-10-02 17:49
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Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1275435)
Jolla have been quite vocal with their claims of how closely they have been working with the carriers, I guess it was only to be expected that those companies would like to have the income from the revenue stream that Advertising brings.
There is quite a few ways to block ads. Just hope they release a hwkb device with contemporary hw specs. If we can't make Fremantle boot on it, chroot is always an option

mariusmssj 2012-10-02 17:56
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1275435)
Jolla have been quite vocal with their claims of how closely they have been working with the carriers, I guess it was only to be expected that those companies would like to have the income from the revenue stream that Advertising brings.
I can't say i have much of an issue with adverts, but if it prevents content from working just because i am not online to see the advert then i got an issue!

MINKIN2 2012-10-02 18:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1275444)
I can't say i have much of an issue with adverts, but if it prevents content from working just because i am not online to see the advert then i got an issue!
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1275440)
There is quite a few ways to block ads. Just hope they release a hwkb device with contemporary hw specs. If we can't make Fremantle boot on it, chroot is always an option

I do agree with you both here. Personally I would be waiting for the hwkb version and hope that they stick with OMAP+ARM cortex chipsets. (still got the n900s rose tinted glasses on)

As for adverts? I have seen them cripple some droids (the ex's San Francisco for one), and don't agree with them to be honest. But I have hope for Jolla and if advertisements on the OS helped to secure their contracts with the carriers then I can't really complain.

Can't wait to see what they come up with :)

Stskeeps 2012-10-02 18:40
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Kit_c1960.jpg

lma 2012-10-02 18:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1275440)
There is quite a few ways to block ads.
What if it comes with "platform security"?

qwazix 2012-10-02 18:55
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
That way at least it won't burn...

szopin 2012-10-02 18:58
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by lma (Post 1275461)
What if it comes with "platform security"?
Not sure what you mean here, but if the standard hosts approach doesn't work, writing a daemon that activates (through hosts to a local apache server for example) when ad needs to be served and providing 'Long live maemo!' jpg instead might be an option... This is never ending game of thieves vs police, police never wins

Dave999 2012-10-02 19:00
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Welcome back jalyst. I know you can't stay away from this Exellent thread.
My comment of being first was a joke/payback for a simular comment about libhybris a while back. Don't care if it's posted 1 or nine times. Always some new view or Intel to analyze. Why so serious?


Love the new information spamming in the thread. Very nice to all the information coming together in this thread. Always nice when jolla leaking some information. Very good day today indeed. Keep it up, sailors.

mariusmssj 2012-10-02 19:01
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1275457)
Is this the indication of how the SDK will look like? xD

mikecomputing 2012-10-02 19:03
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Originally Posted by Flapzapninja (Post 1275278)
To much focus on Asia sounds scary...

China is copycats.... I would rather see Jolla manufactoring devices in european factorys tooo...

But I guess we can forget about that :/

Instead it may very well end that China copying everything and Jolla gets RIP end in a half of a year. THAT has happened before for small companys...

Dave999 2012-10-02 19:10
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1275479)
China is scary copycats.
Everybody in the mobile business copy things. You can't build a mobile device without it.

A great man in Mobile buissniss once said: Good artists copy Great artists steal.


"JussiHurmola: @jollamobile is very close to announce the date for the device launch now that the ecosystem support story is in place."

I take that as it's imminent :D

mariusmssj 2012-10-02 19:33
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1275485)
Everybody in the mobile business copy things. You can't build a mobile device without it.

A great man in Mobile buissniss once said: Good artists copy Great artists steal.


"JussiHurmola: @jollamobile is very close to announce the date for the device launch now that the ecosystem support story is in place."

I take that as it's imminent :D
Jolla plans to reveal first handset by November 2012

Dave999 2012-10-02 19:41
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1275508)
Baaaa boring. One month of sleep.

Dave999 OVER AND OUT

kb61 2012-10-02 19:45
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
i hope they dont make a device with hwkb, if they want to be successfull a geek device wont work...

mariusmssj 2012-10-02 19:48
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by kb61 (Post 1275520)
i hope they dont make a device with hwkb, if they want to be successfull a geek device wont work...
There is plenty of demand for a hardware keyboard here, but obviously they would have a much bigger market with touch-screen online device

szopin 2012-10-02 19:55
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by kb61 (Post 1275520)
i hope they dont make a device with hwkb, if they want to be successfull a geek device wont work...
I seriously hope this is attempt at trolling similar to the jolla-fanpage comment by user 'hipster' expressing similar 'worry'. For me it seems 99% of people looking up development on Jolla are post N900 users who never had a chance at n950. N9 copycat is going to fail. Will probably end up with 920 if that happens as my phone/photo device and n900 for rest/most

Rugoz 2012-10-02 19:56
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Instead it may very well end that China copying everything and Jolla gets RIP end in a half of a year. THAT has happened before for small companys...
its open source

mikecomputing 2012-10-02 20:06
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1275530)
its open source
really? the hwdesign too? Seriously they had to make money on what they deliver, thats what I meant. Thats basic understanding...

But if everyone start copy them they ruin theyr own bussiness faster than Elop kills Nokia...

"The 200M€ ecosystem financing will come in gradually from Jolla"

thats ONLY the ecosystem so whom will pay jollas bills?

I Dont wanna be negative and hopes on Jolla but there is alot unclear about theyr bussiness model and investments...

Were do they expect getting the money that fast... and WHOM?

Its not only those 200M EUR it also about paying the workers, marketing etc...

Btw. Still not a world about the european/US market. Start make me wonder if they will e allowed to sell in here...

don_falcone 2012-10-02 20:30
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iDont care. If product is cool and provides necessary frequencies, i will import via colleague directly from HK :D

Dave999 2012-10-02 21:04
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I think it's best if everyone takes a few minutes and read about the sailfish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish

Rugoz 2012-10-02 21:57
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But if everyone start copy them they ruin theyr own bussiness faster than Elop kills Nokia...
Jolla doesn't have much intellectual property, I guess they don't mind doing business in a "wild west" market. They have a certain knowhow, I doubt others could pull off the same with similar manpower. That is their competitive advantage.

minimos 2012-10-02 22:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1275565)
I think it's best if everyone takes a few minutes and read about the sailfish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish
Or rather this sailfish?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_%28sailboat%29

lma 2012-10-02 22:05
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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1275471)
Not sure what you mean here
See Aegis.

Quote:
but if the standard hosts approach doesn't work, writing a daemon that activates (through hosts to a local apache server for example) when ad needs to be served and providing 'Long live maemo!' jpg instead might be an option...
I see that and raise you MALF.

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This is never ending game of thieves vs police, police never wins
Perhaps, but personally I'm not at all interested in spending money and time to play that game.

szopin 2012-10-02 22:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lma (Post 1275587)
See Aegis.



I see that and raise you MALF.



Perhaps, but personally I'm not at all interested in spending money and time to play that game.
So don't, buy android/wp... There are enough tinkerers out there to do it for you, so once you are barfing with alternatives you'll have something to come back to (I hope at least). Aegis... see inception. Not sure on malf, as have no n9 and only thing that comes up is how to fix it. Police vs thieves, or security vs hackers game will be played forever, with you or without you. If you enjoy the chase, you're in for a good time. If you are the one trying to police, for a bad time. Whatever policeman comes up with is a loosing game, as they are always step backwards. It's the same human-brain force policing vs the same brain-force cracking, but only needing to reverse the super-non-crackable thought/idea that someone on the police-force had. Maybe with quantum-mobile-computing security will happen. So far 30+ years of cracking prove it is a losers game for the police. The only thing that will be needed for the new device that comes out will be a kickstarter project to reverse engineer wifi drivers to open them up. Considering some already are selling N900 with custom firmware for nearly 1000$ a piece exactly for this purpose this shouldn't be that hard to accomplish.

Rugoz 2012-10-02 22:33
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rItdHYaCwPM

shmerl 2012-10-03 00:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1275457)
Here you go. Guide on using Assembly on Mer ;)

To the discussion above - the main benefit will be more devices where you can install community OSes as well (Nemo and PlasmaActive). Hopefully the closed part of Jolla won't spread too much into the applications space and will be mostly related to the UI. You can consider Jolla a big tank breaking through stupidity and stubbornness of manufacturers who don't produce Linux compatible devices. Once that tank will break through - everyone will benefit.

ggabriel 2012-10-03 08:02
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Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1275583)
Jolla doesn't have much intellectual property, I guess they don't mind doing business in a "wild west" market. They have a certain knowhow, I doubt others could pull off the same with similar manpower. That is their competitive advantage.
I thought Hurmola said that they were going to work on their own IP and of course patent it and the whole circus? I believe it was mentioned as an answer to questions that he responded here: http://embed.bambuser.com/broadcast/2993380

shmerl 2012-10-03 08:04
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It's not any amount of patents that make something successful. I think patents are irrelevant here. Except that Jolla said they won't use them offensively.

mikecomputing 2012-10-03 08:08
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1275583)
Jolla doesn't have much intellectual property, I guess they don't mind doing business in a "wild west" market. They have a certain knowhow, I doubt others could pull off the same with similar manpower. That is their competitive advantage.
exactly that is a reason to not succes. I a world we big corporations has lots of patents etc..

mikecomputing 2012-10-03 08:12
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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1275725)
It's not any amount of patents that make something successful. I think patents are irrelevant here. Except that Jolla said they won't use them offensively.
really?! Have you totally forgotten patent trolling out there latelly? Ita a fact they need it or have to pay to use stuff.

shmerl 2012-10-03 08:13
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I didn't say that they don't need them for defense. I said that it's not what defines any success. And actually against trolls - patents don't help, since trolls have nothing to loose. Patents help against aggressors which have something to loose.

jalyst 2012-10-03 08:24
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I think the hw will end-up being quite mediocre, but as long as it's a solid improvement over the N900/N9 I'll be happy...
Getting much better hw isn't something they'll be able to "flick-on" from the outset, it's an Android market, hopefully they have a longer-term strategy to ramp-up to the very best hw.
Specialised hw (camera etc) won't be as easy of course, licensing (where applicable) will be the only option in many instances.

jalyst 2012-10-03 08:30
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1275584)
Reading that SunFish may have been more appropriate...
Given that SailFish was finally discontinued in 1975 & is succeeded (to this day) by the SunFish.
Then again, perhaps SunFish is the codename for the NEXT iteration of Jolla's OS? ;)

gerbick 2012-10-03 08:39
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Any particular reason why they're aiming for low-end devices and emerging markets like Africa and China?

read at Arstechnica and this was the quote:

Quote:
Jolla remains tight-lipped about the details of the operating system and what will change, though the company indicated to the WSJ that the OS will be operable on increasingly popular low-end devices that are taking off in emerging mobile markets, such as parts of Africa and India.

The startup will unveil a new phone next month that is likely to be a concept device. Sailfish won't be ready for licensing by device manufacturers until spring 2013.


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