Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

... was it?

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Yes

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=15

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I don't see anything about a release date there.

I see that it is no longer under active development, and undergoing testing/QA - which is what occurs normally in a release process.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Please explain: "PR1.2 was frozen weeks ago" ?

that clearly means if they didn't leave it weeks without any progress, it would be ready by now.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Feature wise it's frozen - within QA they are only fixing bugs from features they want to release within PR1.2; and there are more features and bugs then we know - the public bug tracker is just a part of the whole thing.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

there is something called "feature-freeze" that means no more features or bug-fixes added, but it is currently under testing and if this testing shows some bugs or flaws in the new, already added features or bug-fixes, these have to be resolved before release to the public.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

It's a concept of software engineering.

Take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeze_...re_engineering)

('frozen for weeks' is most likely a feature freeze, in which only fixes for bugs are allowed)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Ok, now thats a lot of explanations.. Thanks all :) hope the update is close to get released.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Well, feature-freeze/feature-complete stage can actually occur somewhere in the middle of software life cycle, months from the release date. I really hope PR1.2 is in code-freeze/code-complete stage. Then, only the bugs found during the last testing cycle are to be fixed.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

god damn it with their preperation for 1.2 my app manager doesnt update anymore hurry it up nokia

PR 1.2 and Nokia's biz plans
 

I have no inside knowledge of Nokia's tech or business strategy. That said, allow me to indulge in a bit of conspiracy-theorizing.

It's obvious that PR 1.2 has been done for weeks. The 1.2 SDK update was released almost a month ago. None of the recently closed official platform/official applications bugs that mention a specific internal firmware build mention one that's very recent. There's been plenty of time to QA and fix anything that could've come up.

My conclusion is that PR 1.2 is being delayed for business reasons. What are they? The floor is open for your thoughts.

As an aside, this PR 1.2 mess demonstrates why monolithic firmware updates are bad. Whatever business considerations Nokia has, they cannot possibly affect all of the software that makes up PR 1.2. The pieces that are not affected could've been released a long time ago.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

The thread "PR 1.2 and Nokia's biz plans" with one post has been merged into this thread.

Re: PR 1.2 and Nokia's biz plans
 

No, the software development stack had been finalised and released. Between then and now the installation procedure for upgrading will have been tested to death, and specific issues detected (and fixed) with new 1.2 features which only arise when on a device, including clashes with third-party software.

Which is why some software is being split out into packages with this update, I remember reading somewhere.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Ok some dude on my Twitter claims PR1.2 will be the last firmware upgrade for the N900 (weird I know) and also N900 users will be given a choice to stay with Maemo 5 or shift to MeeGo !!

@SirajSoft
Nokia N900 PR1.2 will be the last firmware for N900 in Maemo so its taking too much time for fixing every bugs :) then its meego time

@SirajSoft

There will be choices to user to choose Meego or stay with Maemo 5 :-) N900 is official ARM based Meego

I'm Not sure what the sources are ...I'm not sure what to infer from these !

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Unless it comes straight from Nokia, take it all with a grain of salt.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Take everything not from an official source with a very big grain of salt.

I'd be inferring nothing. ;)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I also heard on twitter that PR1.2 will be released on April 2nd :)

as dudes above said: "Take everything not from an official source with a very big grain of salt"

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

code freeze 2nd of april, release 20th of april. it's 50 percent true. The other 50 percent is untrue :).

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

If the code was frozen 2nd of april then we maynot see the new firmware untill mid may as i think its in QA for 6 - 7 weeks.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

<clueless mode>That means we're going to get the update tomorrow! Yay!</clueless mode>

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

no, not that long, but this update is a little bit bigger than the previous one. i would say max 4 weeks, but don't have a clue how many ppl available for test of maemo.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I don't think this has anything to do with business plans. Flak from users alone is basically enough to offset some Android patch or somesuch minor nonsense in a business plan. If they wanted sync, they could just have pushed 1.2 out and then pushed a 1.2.1 or 1.2.5 when needed.

IMO there are only two things that could keep 1.2 back. Either it has some horrendous bug (percent brickage) and they can't release / are re-integrating each patch to see the hole OR someone decided that a final act like breaking monolithic FW or embedding some tech was worth the two-day extra wait and now it's proven to be a bit of a handful.

Since it's frozen a while now it's not features. And since SDK was rolled, QT was blocked, etc, that smelled like final preparations, meaning something likely broke suddenly. Someone commited changes on Friday evening?

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I heard it'll come out as soon as apple releases the Iphone 4G.

Just saying

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

This damn update will come AFTER apple releases their whole damn new OS... :mad:

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Sorry, but please - do some thinking.

Maemo is a commercial OS developed in a semi-open fashion, the existence of PR1.2 was sort of known before PR1.1 was even out - "fixed, but not for the next update".

This means that you're seeing something *in development*.

In the real world, commercial products aren't just plonked down in a finished state, they go from nothing - to something - which is then tested until it's in a finished state which can be commercially released.

This isn't to say that the process couldn't be improved further - it could. But criticising the one part of the process that is working well (your knowing about this update *now*) is the wrong way to go.

Take a read over some of my random musings on this topic at http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/04/is...-and-mass.html

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

200 pages!!!!!!

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I agree with w00t, however, i'd give people the option to choose between the red and blue pills (heh:)) i mean, if somebody deliberately wants to break the device, give it a big fat warning and allow them to download and use/troubleshoot/report a bug/start a nuclear war. Just make sure that warning is sooooo big that the average guy doesn't even dare to download (or perhaps make a download link like d3d3Lmdvb2dsZS5jb20= and if you can't decypher it you can't download it...) (Btw decyphering this teaches one how to solve problems :))

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Yes! I AM!

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Hey guys! You downloaded all the PRs 1.2 available, so the repo has run out of them now.
Does anyone know when Nokia adds more PRs 1.2 to download?

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

The refill rate has been slowed down due to the Iceland volcano eruption. Ash is clogging the intertubes.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I will share it as soon as I will finish downloading it!

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Could you pass it to me after you're finished?

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Please! Stay on the line!

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I seriously doubt he'll want to part with it after just getting it! You'll probably have to wait until he gets PR1.3 going, then he'll be done with his PR1.2 and can sell it on ebay.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

pm me too=)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I've got a copy of PR1.2 from the Awesome-Users-Only repo, but I'm only giving it out to people who PM me awesome stuff.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Hey guys, sharing PRs spreads all sorts of nasty illnesses.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I don't wanna sell it. I'm just courious what is the value of my bill that's why I'm installing it!

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Although as a N900 customer I think it will be important to have Meego officially supported by Nokia, this possibility is almost impossible due to simply legal issues.

If a company like Nokia sells a device like the N900 with Maemo 5, it could not obligate any customer to "migrate to Meego or I won't support you anymore if you keep Maemo 5". There will always be users who prefer Maemo interface or have an important application which wouldn't work on Meego for example. And most countries have strict laws to defend customers right, obligating the supplier to keep the HW & SW support ongoing by a minimum period of time (not forever, sure...).

If the law and N900 warranty terms allow for that to happen, then the rational decision for Nokia would be to incentive everyone going to Meego, after all it is simpler to support one less O.S.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Thats wrong! It's a lie. Here it's page 42! (this could be a sign)