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True, and that should be a lessen for them. Google haven't faced a real crises yet. But it will come. It's often totally unexpected and can be triggered by anything.

I do think android will suffer soon. Soon as in between 1-3 years.. Nokia's will eventually show somekind of positive results for a quarter and the stock slowly move to a few dollars.

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No one cant decide if a companys goes up/down just based on what happens one day. And because you Americans get big loans from China dopesnt make you (OR ANYONE!!!) better.

The world economy is CORRUPT and Its just plain ridicilous. So point is taken. EU is crisis IS infect Nokia stocks to as soon as some european country saying something bad about theyr country, witch seems happen every damn week now :mad:

Countrys should take theyr DAMN responsibilities of theyr countrys and also the global enviroment and stop selling ****ing weapons, kids, slaves and STOP being so damn stupid asholes :mad: That includes ofcourse not only european crisis countrys, but also USA and my own ****ing country (Sweden) who says whe are "peaceful country" (yeah right?) but sells weapons to ashole countrys. **** the world **** the economy. But dont be blinded on stock going down one damn day. Tomorrow Nokias stock raise for another stupid reason. But who cares what happens to Nokia. Nokia is DONE as an european company anyway. Maybe Finland also can start sell more weapons too some corrupt regim instead?

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Unfortunately more bad news coming up for Nokia:
T-Mobile, Germany's biggest telecom carrier, doesn't want Lumia 900. Reasons are dissatisfaction with the platform and the WP8 "update-conflict".

http://derstandard.at/1339638460732/...umia-900-nicht

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Analyst suggests a Microsoft branded phone may be in the pipeline :/

http://www.computerworld.in/news/are...eline-13762012

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If they can make their own tablets, they certainly also have the ability to make an own phone. But I doubt it that they would, I see more advantages for them if Nokia makes the devices. Although the homemade tablet was a big surprise too.

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Wow.. talk about missing the sarcasm. My point was that Google and Apple are NOT suffering any ills right now--and, in fact, aren't making the titanic cascade of errors that Nokia has been making over the past several years. In fact, quite the opposite--they're making GREAT products and supporting them well. Very well.

Although I agree with everything you just said, again--not the point I was making. You also clearly didn't pick up on the dripping, overt sarcasm. It really wasn't hidden. Really. The point I was making was that Nokia is the victim of its own stupid mistakes and decisions--there are plenty of businesses, even in Europe, that aren't suffering nearly as much as Nokia right now.

But Lumianman promised EVERYONE would adore the Lumia 900 and that it would reign supreme! :P WHERE'S YOUR ELOP GOD NOW?

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When Google and Apple are affected, it's not as critical as when Nokia who is already half dead, is affected. But the financial news are full of worries and most companies in Europe, so Nokia isn't the only affected.

I'm not saying Nokia isn't tablebending their own owners, I'm just saying that parts of the daily variations are also global variations, not only Nokia management failures.

I wrote the previous post to help explain why Nokia stocks briefly went up.

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Imagine if Microsoft releases their mPhone, brim full of Nokia patents, and Nokia is caught with their know-nothing-about-it pants down.

BAM.

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Oh, I do agree that regular market fluctuations can affect a slight raise or fall of any given stock, I was not baffled why it went briefly above the opening value - I'm baffled why it hasn't drastically (i.e. 10%+) crashed. I mean, Microsoft announcement pretty much spelled: massive loses for Nokia in Q3, and with already bleak Q2 I don't get why it hasn't affected the stock market.

Maybe the last echelon of investors willing to short their stocks went away when the stock went bellow 2€, so now we only have investors that are betting on a long-term value; or the stock price is holding its value due to expected takeover and the bidding war in the process; I have no other idea why it wouldn't be affected. Still, when Nokia releases Q2 results I'm quite confident that even the most optimistic investors will leave the ship...

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A surface line with one tablet and one mobile phone from Microsoft is no worries as long as they not trying to beat it's allies but instead as exclusive showcase. Google using it's nexus line for that purpose. If nokia can come up with phones and tablets like n9, and lumia 900, the design is far from surface design. Nokia can cover all the rest of the areas. Phones and tablets are melting together and it's a huge market.

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I think I specifically recall Lumiaman, TextRat, Qgil (401K?) and a few others on here bragging about what an awesome buy Nokia was as it continued to sink.. and they even went on to claim they were going to buy a bunch more shares. Just curious--how's that worked out? Did you end up selling those shares at a gain or a loss, or are you still holding them? Are you still buying more? Would you still call it a good deal? Mind you--I realize you're not giving out investment advice.. I'm just curious, since you guys did volunteer what you were doing in the first place. Come on... let's talk Nokia stock!

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It'll be less than $1 USD in a month. I bought in once at like $8.07, sold at $8.47 or so, avoided the broker fees by doing it myself, reinvested elsewhere that very small gain.

And now... I'm just out to buy it before it become a penny stock and get a stock certificate. I still have my Macromedia stock certificate before they got bought by Adobe - I have one of those too.

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I wonder if I shouldn't do the same to get a single cert to put next to my rarely-used, open-core and unupgradeable, Nokia N800 for pictures to put up on eBay. It doesn't seem to sell as it is. :)

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Do you happen to have Boston Chicken stock certificate as well? I mean, it appears you are tracking Elop's successes for quite some time ;)

It appears that the news of the second Osborn finally crossed the Atlantic pond - stock price went down >6% within the first hour of OMX opening, and it cannot be attributed to regular fluctuations. I don't think it will go bellow $1 within a month as you suggest, but a serious drop will be when they publish Q2 results... What can bring them bellow $1 is when they publish a new profit warning for Q3 which will be the direst so far, and will probably happen in mid August.

If somebody is still interested in Nokia as a company, that's when the buyout might be attempted, otherwise they'll let Nokia slide under $1 and eventually it will be sold in parts, where the main interest will be the IP. Microsoft, as it appears, have given up on Nokia... Smart people, they have a plan B (and probably C and D), unlike Nokia...

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Irony! Until you mentioned it, I had never heard of "Boston Chicken" and had to google it up. I had only seen "Boston Market" stores all over the place, and now I find out Boston Chicken is the parent company. I've lived in Massachusetts for 34 years of my life and had never seen a Boston Chicken before--mind you I'm on the complete Western opposite side of the state from Boston, but it still seems surprising. I had no idea they were doing so badly. heh

That's what I've been saying for a while now. I'm betting that Elop will claim he's keeping the company alive by selling off bits and pieces here and there to various buyers, with Microsoft getting the lion's share of the best bits. Finally, we'll see Elop bloom fully into the mole we always knew him to be--and, mark my words, there'll be people INSISTING he still wasn't put there as a mole for Microsoft. :)

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Boston Chicken got infamous for fixing their books to appear solvent even with too rapid expansion - at some point it was even considered a great success, and Wall St. favorite... right until it plummeted to penny stock within less than a week once the true state of affairs became public - it was one of the sharpest stock price drop in the 90s. Granted, Elop wasn't a CEO back then, but as a CTO and he certainly knew about shenanigans they were doing, he probably even helped with that...

There is a great read on rise & fall of Boston Chicken @ http://www.fool.com/EveningNews/foth...foth981007.htm . I remember people were screaming about the Boston Chicken fiasco when Elop took the CEO spot of Macromedia, saying that one that was involved in the BC scandal should never be allowed to be a CEO of anything... Little did they know they won't be Macromedia anymore within short three months of his reign.

If you look at history of this guy - wherever he went, except Microsoft, that company suffered greatly. Even Juniper Networks had quite a stock price drop during his short stay with them... I'm not saying that he did (or was in a position) to do bad all the time, but that's his track record... To this day I can't figure out what has qualified him to become a CEO of, back then, one of the greatest tech/telecommunication companies in the world. Nothing from his history to recommend it for that place, nothing whatsoever...

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Naw... just amazing how this dude has been in and out of my livelihood with products I either like or use. But not the Boston Chicken part... that was new to me as well.

Yep.

Rare to see a company voluntarily get rid of plausible Plan B's. I think I have to go back to Atari for that kind of oversight.

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We're in the same boat... When Elop gutted Macromedia half of my revenues were based on their technologies. Thankfully, Adobe didn't completely mess it up, but still - knowing some internal plans that never got realized under Adobe's design-oriented wing...

I think that Commodore story is even more fitting - sitting on laurels, then a sudden major strategy shift just as it appeared they might have something to compete, accompanied by complete failure of marketing and communication blunders in an abundance... But even both, Commodore and Atari, didn't crash so fast as did Nokia, and they never were really that big... And say what you will, but Nokia did have something with the N9 there, with just a little of polish, marketing and dev incentive it could've been a global hit, maybe not in a financial sort of a way but more as a bandage for the heavily damaged brand. That's like Samsung throwing away the Galaxy line to pursue something completely unrelated...

I'm not Tomi's fan, but the man is right about one thing - this kind of a colossal failure for a global leader of anything in the tech world never happened before. Not by a long shot.

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Speaking of stock, NOK just reached a new history low on OMX - 1.78... And the onslaught will probably continue on NYSE as well. The CEO, BoD and rest of the upper management must be bloody geniuses, it takes quite an effort to do bring a global leader down to this within 18 months and it takes quite some bravery not to even entertain the idea that you're doing it wrong with stats like this:

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It's Elop Stock Graph Monday! Gotta love that Burning Platform inflection point.

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Yeaaa baby, time to buy more!

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If you are hoping that once they hit $1, within a couple of months as it seems, somebody will make them an offer they cannot refuse ($2 buyout) - you either have some strong inside info, or you are bigger gambler than Mr. Flop. This is all under the false assumption that you are not a juvenile troll with nothing better to do than spew claptrap, of course.

In other news, OMX closed with 1.71, way bellow their history low, and a sharp 11.39% drop, which is massive even if you take into account the Nasdaq fluctuations. It took a while for investors to become aware on how dire the Q3 will be for Nokia due to the second Osborne in a row, this time performed by Microsoft on Nokia's behalf, but at least I have faith in the market once again - a few posts back I was astonished how Microsoft announcement didn't affect Nokia stock value (by at least 10%), but I guess the market moves a bit slower than I'd expect and OMX being closed on Friday may had something to do with it as well.

Either way, I expect the stock to continue to drop (not as sharply as today, tho) until 19. July when Nokia releases their Q2 report at which point we might have the sharpest drop since Feb'11, but the one to send them under the ice will probably be the expected Q3 profit warning.

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This is a good stock to buy. WP8 will grow, just like Xbox came in and outgrew nintendo and other stuff. No way NOKIA is worth this little. This is how money is made.

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You must be a poor fellow ;)

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“There is a very easy way to return from a casino with a small fortune: go there with a large one.” - Jack Yelton

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Let's rock'n roll :D

That's what I imagine the Nokia board is doing. Some surrealistic wild never ending party; sex drugs and rock'n roll while the ship heads down to the deep.

I hope I will get my 808 before it all collapses though.

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When can we expect that the value of Nokia goes below the value of the patents? What part of Nokia is reposinsble for the patent?

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The Microsoft part, Mosaid.The patents and maps were given away.

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So windows will not be using bing maps anymore. That is great. Bing maps is useless.

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Wow! Thanks for all that info! I knew about his miserable failures in tech companies (Macromedia and especially at Juniper--at one time Juniper was trying to convince me to come work for them back when I was living in Santa Clara, CA, and I DID respect their tech but the company seemed iffy to me and I'm very, VERY glad I didn't go that route. Too bad.. Juniper made EXCELLENT networking hardware--they were the first to do a proper OC148 switching fabric long before Cisco's BFR's did it right *AND* it was all BSD based. What an incredible shame they were ruined.

My crazy theory: At Microsoft, they probably figured out only too late after hiring him what a walking catastrophe he really is and decided that the only proper role for him is as a mole to drive other companies into the ground. Voila! Nokia gets a new CEO and partner up with Microsoft on phones. Strangely coincidental job losses, stock losses and other misfortunes ensue!

Damned Tramiel kids. They ruined the company. >.<

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress....fail.png?w=640

Elop can't do ALL the heavy lifting and dropping all over the ground. Balmer's been pretty good at ruining a company that couldn't lose, too! (*coughLONGHORN*coughVISTA*coughcoughZUNE*) Sorry--clearing my throat now. Ahem. He's no Elop, but he's clearly aspiring.

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/...ry-is-this.jpg

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Under Ballmer, Microsofts Income has exploded. Ballmer hasn't ruined Microsoft, he has made it loads of money. However, Microsofts investors have always been dissatisfied with Ballmer: even with growing income, he has never managed to improve the stock value.

Also, Microsofts position now seems to be just like Nokias was just recently: ready to topple over.

If you said that Microsoft have made loads of less than satisfying OS versions under Ballmer, I'd agree somewhat more. But I can't think he makes these Windows-thingies all on his own, and under his management some of the best Windows versions have also been made. There have been tens and hundreds of failed attempts at taking over other segments, and for those he's more directly to blame. I don't think gaining control of Nokias patents can be considered one of those faults, though.

Win some, lose some. Ballmer has done well for a raving madman.

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What the hell are you talking about? :P

He's doing a tepid to crappy job all-around...
http://betanews.com/2012/01/19/micro...venue-falls-6/

Additionally...
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/microso...t-ceo-america/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhart...s-microsoft/3/

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Oh, I don't know, bing maps on my webos devices are working great for me. I have no words to express what a total disaster Nokia maps on the N900 was on the other hand.

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I'm not sure if you're teasing... or ignoring that 2011 was a record year for Microsoft and they're actually doing ok.

But Ballmer is universally seen as the worst CEO thus far. I mean, only somebody that could take Nokia from the top spot to almost a dollar stock in 21 months could be seen as worse...

Oh wait...

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I am talking about the simple fact that Microsoft a la 2000 made a lot less money than Microsoft a la 2012, even with the recent drops.

Simple example graph from random google search:

http://asterhost.info/wp-content/upl...17f1_o.png.png

Feel free to compare that to a similar Nokia graph under Elops period.

That is exactly the hell I am talking about, Microsoft made most it's money under Ballmer, who became CEO in 2000 unless my internet is mistaken.

Although old and outdated graph, these are cold dollars that mostly came in under Ballmers leadership. What you linked to are hot opiniated blogs. Dollars beats opinions, or Nokia would have closed down Symbian after the first US techblog reviewed it.

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This isn't about Nokia Stocks itself, but I haven't found a better thread for that.

Lumia 900 prices on Amazon fell down from $100 to $0.01 with AT&T contract. At least I though it was a 100 bucks before (?).

http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Lumia-Wi...s_2422313011_6

Despite that the WP update-story is rather a marketing- than a software problem, reactions from various carriers around the world aren't looking good. Even though Lumia phones weren't sold as much as expected, recent news will have a big impact on Nokia's income.

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I believe that the price was $50.

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We've already on offtopic, so... When you compare prices like that, do you take in account the different subscriptions? I assume there's more than a single AT&T contract available.

I mean, any phone can cost $0.01, it's just a question of how expensive the contract is. In Norway, they are required to always put a visible "minimum total price" which is the total cost of owning the phone throughout the contract time and not use it.

So, while "price" can be $0.01, the "minimum total price" can be $1000.

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You pay for the phone regardless per month, be it prepaid or post-paid. In the US, there are no advantages for unlocked phone ownership.

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You can change SIM as you like for an unlocked phone which is an advantage when you travel, even within U.S. When you go overseas you can change to a local SIM and take advantage of cheap data packages.