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AndyNokia232 2011-05-20 23:13
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Well, Koajwujwer123, if you are credible, then great, no keyboard means I'll probably carry on using my N900 for a bit longer then. I'm not interested in a touchscreen keypad. Man, I can't even use the iphone one, and everyone uses those ok. So I'm doomed.

If you are for real, then I really hope what you say about it is true, and that the interface and OS is beyond awesome. Forgive me for my doubting, but it's only natural dude. Peace out - I'm going to get my life back by going out with human beings and turning this laptop OFF :)

rentze 2011-05-20 23:15
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011536)
Define special and i might help
Well, it was more like a "just in case" clause, but if you really insist, it would have to compensate the lack of the qwerty at least by having full MeeGo (with later upgrades), Android compatibility (Alien Dalvik), VoIP and chat support integrated (like N900), good front-facing camera (unlike N900) etc... and of course, a smoking hot software kbd (although I have absolutely no idea what that means).

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 23:18
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
No Alien Dalvik , very good communications integration.. imo even better and modern than N900. FFC yes. nice keyboard.. i like it. Can't comment on full MeeGo as i dont know.

Creamy Goodness 2011-05-20 23:19
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Yeah, if the hardware isn't "amazing" at least we should have a more affordable device. The only thing I'm concerned about is the larger screen really needs a good graphics chip and fast CPU to take advantage of it. I'm sure the OS itself doesn't need multicore, but it would make us feel better if we knew the cpu/gpu is overpowered rather than underpowered. So far you Nokia guys are pretty tight-lipped about that stuff and the actual platform this thing is based on... and we haven't had any decent leaks from Intel or st ericsson recently to tip us off yet. I'm just hoping the dev device is not too terrible compared to the other one. Hmmmm.

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 23:20
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
its powerful

dtergens 2011-05-20 23:29
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
powerful like in 2009
powerful like in 2010
or powerful actual 2011 ? :D

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-20 23:32
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
You will never feel lack of power like you do in N900 (stock) Plus very powerful GPU

rentze 2011-05-20 23:35
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011550)
No Alien Dalvik , very good communications integration.. imo even better and modern than N900. FFC yes. nice keyboard.. i like it. Can't comment on full MeeGo as i dont know.
Thanks for the tips. At least now I know what (not) to expect.

dtergens 2011-05-20 23:53
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
@Koajwujwer123, do you think there is something never seen before on a device who could make a real difference ?

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-21 00:00
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtergens (Post 1011564)
@Koajwujwer123, do you think there is something never seen before on a device who could make a real difference ?
UI / UX

Nothing like this before. Also optimization. The kind of stuff this does on a "normal" CPU is phenomenal..

misterc 2011-05-21 00:01
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1011494)
I think you misunderstand the meaning of "developer device". This time it doesn't mean "random device that is of little use to the mass market but some developers may enjoy toying with" but "early device for developers to create applications for a new OS before it gets released to the mass market".

Even after the decision to go with WP7 for the mass market, the concept is still the same.

These are exciting times, and many things will become much clearer soon.
was / is the N900 a developer device in your book?

misterc 2011-05-21 00:10
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011506)
Just stepped in to see whether you still doubting.

lol.. just wait a bit. It is coming soon.. you wanted a hint right. That silver photo you posted earlier is correct. Front anyways.

misterc - stop being so doubtful
no offence, but
i'll remain doubtful 'til the evidence i have listed is proven wrong.
that Elop doesn't mention a developer device (whatever that would be) i may understand, but that Rich Green doesn't mention "that detail", sorry, he seems too sincerely interested to leave out that kind of... "detail"
prove me wrong...

dtergens 2011-05-21 00:13
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011566)
UI / UX

Nothing like this before. Also optimization. The kind of stuff this does on a "normal" CPU is phenomenal..
Thanks a lot, it's the answer I was waiting in fact ^^

But then I'm still afraid about the battery drain, the biggest problem of our nice N900.

misterc 2011-05-21 00:17
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011556)
You will never feel lack of power like you do in N900 (stock) Plus very powerful GPU
not having a keyboard makes such a Linux / GNU pocket computer like a Maemo / MeeGo perfectly... useless.
and there is no point which so ever spending any money on developing a new M / M device if it not going to be offering anything more then a N8 does, does it?
might as well make a N8-2 w/ beefed up HW (and Symbian^3)
the N8 has sold over 4 millions units with its underpowered CPU & GPU.
giving it more horse power would be more then enough to wrestle back even more market share w/out having to waste money on the M / M adventure. wasn't it you who pointed out that NOKIA is a profit making company just like any other?

the only reason to go on w/ M / M is if it comes w/ a HW kbd.

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-21 00:40
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011573)
not having a keyboard makes such a Linux / GNU pocket computer like a Maemo / MeeGo perfectly... useless.
and there is no point which so ever spending any money on developing a new M / M device if it not going to be offering anything more then a N8 does, does it?
might as well make a N8-2 w/ beefed up HW (and Symbian^3)
the N8 has sold over 4 millions units with its underpowered CPU & GPU.
giving it more horse power would be more then enough to wrestle back even more market share w/out having to waste money on the M / M adventure. wasn't it you who pointed out that NOKIA is a profit making company just like any other?

the only reason to go on w/ M / M is if it comes w/ a HW kbd.
Oh this OS does much more than the N8 did / will do lol.

Keyboard is not the end of the world.. get over it.

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-21 00:43
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtergens (Post 1011570)
Thanks a lot, it's the answer I was waiting in fact ^^

But then I'm still afraid about the battery drain, the biggest problem of our nice N900.
Not much of a problem i'd say. I get a day of decent usage and fiddling around. Should suffice.

misterc 2011-05-21 00:54
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011579)
Oh this OS does much more than the N8 did / will do lol.

Keyboard is not the end of the world.. get over it.
no idea what they intoxicated you with, but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Tiua4BNQo
they didn't do THAT for you
i don't mean to be personal, simply, that looks like a perfectly well designed advertisement video w/ a perfectly well orchestrated release time. there is no point doing any of this for a developer device.

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-21 00:57
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
FFS get over it... i am not showing you photographs. You don't believe me fine.. don't listen to me atleast don't say that i'm lying.

Some reading material for you : http://wwwdb.nokia.com/proto/imail.n...TO_NET_web.pdf

Do you know what is legal binding ? I cannot show you photos.. end of story.

But believe me , you will get a TS device. The same one from which i'm typing out this post in the browser.

Jack B 2011-05-21 01:02
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Well I've just joined up to say I'm devastated, I've been waiting for a top end QWERTY touch screen phone forever and I thought this was it.

I'm a writer by trade and, hence, do a lot of writing. I therefore want a proper keyboard - you don't want to knocking out 1,000 word articles on a touchscreen... you want buttons.

Just spent three hours reading 100 pages of thread, all excited ,only to find out at the end that it's not coming out with a KB after all.

To the guy who clearly knows all about it (Koajwujwer123), thanks for the info at least. Is there something soo ludicrously new and mindblowing this phone can do that makes it so much better than all the other top end slates around that might actually convince me to get it anyway?

Otherwise I'm going to have to buy a hideous Desire Z or, well, an E7 I guess - unless anyone has any better ideas?

PS, To the guy who just keeps shouting rudely at the few on here who do have some info (MisterC), can I respectfully suggest you stop? It's obvious these guys are not just making this up, stop scaring them away eh.

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-21 01:07
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack B (Post 1011586)
Well I've just joined up to say I'm devastated, I've been waiting for a top end QWERTY touch screen phone forever and I thought this was it.

I'm a writer by trade and, hence, do a lot of writing. I therefore want a proper keyboard - you don't want to knocking out 1,000 word articles on a touchscreen... you want buttons.

Just spent three hours reading 100 pages of thread, all excited ,only to find out at the end that it's not coming out with a KB after all.

To the guy who clearly knows all about it (Koajwujwer123), thanks for the info at least. Is there something soo ludicrously new and mindblowing this phone can do that makes it so much better than all the other top end slates around that might actually convince me to get it anyway?

Otherwise I'm going to have to buy a hideous Desire Z or, well, an E7 I guess - unless anyone has any better ideas?

PS, To the guy who just keeps shouting rudely at the few on here who do have some info (MisterC), can I respectfully suggest you stop? It's obvious these guys are not just making this up, stop scaring them away eh.
Its a nice and large touchscreen , very comfortable keyboard... you really should not have a problem. In fact i would recommend this along with a portable BT keyboard as a solution. Or of course you can get the other dev device. Quite similar , not as good looking / exotic.

As i said , UI / UX is very very interesting. You'll have to see it to understand what i mean.

olympus 2011-05-21 01:12
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
So how could an ordinary mortal human being with no knowledge to develope anything get a hold of the dev device, if there will be just a few hundred of them, except getting it on ebay which is kinda impossible?

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-21 01:14
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1011588)
So how could an ordinary mortal human being with no knowledge to develope anything get a hold of the dev device, if there will be just a few hundred of them, except getting it on ebay which is kinda impossible?
There are 2 MeeGo conferences i believe. One in san franisco and other Oulu. They should give these at one of them. And maybe a few from Developer Device program on Forum Nokia.

onethreealpha 2011-05-21 01:19
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
as much as a hwkb is impoortant to me, i'll settle for a great swkb over a crap hw one, as long as the bt stack means no issues connecting a decent portable one.

edit: i'll be getting this device either way, if only for the fact that it's not Aandroid or IOS....

olympus 2011-05-21 01:21
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
well i'm not a developer and my home is far away from san francisco and oulu :) no luck for me then i guess. seems like the only segment that you can really trust nokia is that they will eventually screw you over, especially if you are a loyal costumer. shoot.

Jack B 2011-05-21 01:22
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Thanks for that. I'm really not sure though, I just think that if you're writing words on a phone for literally an hour or two at a time, no touchscreen is going to cut it compared with real keys.

I hadn't considered the BT keyboard option...only problem with that woulkd be that I assume it's not so good on the move - you must need a table, right?

I have to say I'm more interested in the developer device... Sounds like they're not bringing it out commercially because it's already outdated - but compared to what? For me it would be competing aginst other phones with HW keyboards, as they are the alternatives - Desire Z, E7, etc. How would it compare?

onethreealpha 2011-05-21 01:31
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daneel (Post 1011594)
For a guy who doesn't care, you desperatly want to aknowledged, missing some attention in your life?
I don't know what funnier, you or that other guy beeing told "FACTS" by his 47 friends at Nokia.

It doesn't matter wether there are 1,2,7 or 100 N950s with or without hardare keybord or even with falusal typing technology, what you guys are doing right now is just plain embarassing.
probably worth being a bit more specific as to who you are directing this at.
or is it just a generic (let's call it "WWE") insult?

misterc 2011-05-21 01:33
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1011592)
well i'm not a developer and my home is far away from san francisco and oulu :) no luck for me then i guess. seems like the only segment that you can really trust nokia is that they will eventually screw you over, especially if you are a loyal costumer. shoot.
don't write off NOKIA so fast, will you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjb9E5A2ls ;)

olympus 2011-05-21 01:40
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011601)
don't write off NOKIA so fast, will you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjb9E5A2ls ;)
well unfortunately the only thing that matters to me right now is that i can't see myself using a phone without a hardware keyboard. everything i do on my n900 i do with it and because of it the n900 could in some aspects replace my desktop pc. believe me, if there was no hw kb i'd never write a post even this long on this forum. it just frustrates me! argh.

misterc 2011-05-21 01:41
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011587)
Its a nice and large touchscreen , very comfortable keyboard... you really should not have a problem. In fact i would recommend this along with a portable BT keyboard as a solution. Or of course you can get the other dev device. Quite similar , not as good looking / exotic.

As i said , UI / UX is very very interesting. You'll have to see it to understand what i mean.
so. according to you, this device is not good looking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Tiua4BNQo
what must a "good looking device" be like, then :D

misterc 2011-05-21 01:42
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1011602)
well unfortunately the only thing that matters to me right now is that i can't see myself using a phone without a hardware keyboard. everything i do on my n900 i do with it and because of it the n900 could in some aspects replace my desktop pc. believe me, if there was no hw kb i'd never write a post even this long on this forum. it just frustrates me! argh.
i'm with you, 200%
and i think Rich Green is w/ us, too

misterc 2011-05-21 01:45
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1011584)
FFS get over it... i am not showing you photographs. You don't believe me fine.. don't listen to me atleast don't say that i'm lying.

Some reading material for you : http://wwwdb.nokia.com/proto/imail.n...TO_NET_web.pdf

Do you know what is legal binding ? I cannot show you photos.. end of story.

But believe me , you will get a TS device. The same one from which i'm typing out this post in the browser.
again
i don't know what they intoxicated you with, but there won't be any other Maemo / MeeGo device this year then the one from that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Tiua4BNQo
period

maybe you are using a LostDOS Paralysed se7en device and don't even know it?

olympus 2011-05-21 01:50
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
well after all that fuss i'm certain there will be no hw keyboard device for me.

bandora 2011-05-21 01:53
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Oh ffs why is everyone fighting with each other.. just wait and see. lol It's not like it's far from being announced.

nilchak 2011-05-21 01:56
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011573)
not having a keyboard makes such a Linux / GNU pocket computer like a Maemo / MeeGo perfectly... useless.
and there is no point which so ever spending any money on developing a new M / M device if it not going to be offering anything more then a N8 does, does it?
might as well make a N8-2 w/ beefed up HW (and Symbian^3)
the N8 has sold over 4 millions units with its underpowered CPU & GPU.
giving it more horse power would be more then enough to wrestle back even more market share w/out having to waste money on the M / M adventure. wasn't it you who pointed out that NOKIA is a profit making company just like any other?

the only reason to go on w/ M / M is if it comes w/ a HW kbd.
Ok, then ,so dont buy it when it is released.

End of story.

misterc 2011-05-21 01:58
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1011608)
well after all that fuss i'm certain there will be no hw keyboard device for me.
you know, there is trojan from m@ke$$h!t @ NOKIA's helm now, so maybe they'll start using m$ philosophy... there'll be a "developer" edition on which the keyboard is fully functional, then there'll be a professional edition where only the numbers will be functional and eventually there'll be everybody else's home edition, where the kbd simply won't work
¦-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

and of course, as m$ goes, you'll be able to hack your edition :cool:

misterc 2011-05-21 02:00
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 1011610)
Ok, then ,so dont buy it when it is released.

End of story.
i'll get one
with a keyboard, like everybody else
end of story

NvyUs 2011-05-21 02:00
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1011612)
i'll get one
with a keyboard, like everybody else
end of story
You have less than 2 weeks to learn how to code then if you want KB

misterc 2011-05-21 02:12
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1011613)
You have less than 2 weeks to learn how to code then if you want KB
i could actually do that, but i'm in Olympus' situation.
too far away from either SF or Oulu, so i'll simply wait for it to show up in my phoneshop
give me some more time to improve my coding skills too :rolleyes:

misterc 2011-05-21 02:15
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bandora (Post 1011609)
Oh ffs why is everyone fighting with each other.. just wait and see. lol It's not like it's far from being announced.
they are fighting like the church.
for whatever reason they have decided the earth is the centre of the universe (there'll be two Maemo / MeeGo devices from NOKIA this year...) and no matter what you ask them or how you try to make then see their error, they'll stick to it...
it's rather funny :D

NvyUs 2011-05-21 02:19
Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Get it correct there will be one device from Nokia for Consumer, other is a developer device you can't buy.
So officially its one device and it will be without KB


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