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jalyst

2012-10-03 08:46

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

They've said: they're releasing their own device & it won't be a concept, & they intend to make the OS usable by others AFTER they've at least revealed availability info about their device.
And AFAIR they've never said they plan to charge licensing fees for their OS....
I don't get that 1st sentence in the quote, almost sounds like they're targeting pre-existing Android devices, or perhaps low-end Android hw using Libhyris? But surely it's far from primetime?

Stskeeps

2012-10-03 09:22

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1275748)

Regarding libhybris, even openwebos are testing it on various HW. But yes, it's not ready for primetime, but it sure it looks good already (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz...&feature=g-upl , font issue and touch coordinate reversal known)

If anybody is interested in working with Qt5, wayland and new OS adventures, feel free to join the effort around https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Zephyr

http://releases.merproject.org/~cars...entgallery.png

javispedro

2012-10-03 10:40

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1275471)

Not sure what you mean here, but if the standard hosts approach doesn't work, writing a daemon that activates (through hosts to a local apache server for example) when ad needs to be served and providing 'Long live maemo!' jpg instead might be an option... This is never ending game of thieves vs police, police never wins

Police wins quite often. Sometimes even for long enough that the device is no longer relevant when the "thieves" eventually win back (IF they do).

This is basically a _very_ dangerous position. If "platform security" is any worse than the N9 this will basically not be the device that most people on this forum want. Because if it ls like the N9 it will already alienate quite a lot of the current N900 users....
And if they embrace "ad-supported" stuff they will surely embrace "carrier-supported" stuff. Which so far has implied heavy lockdown.

Dave999

2012-10-03 10:51

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Sailfish Alliance received 200 millions. Anyone of you heard that part of this camera from nokia?

jalyst

2012-10-03 11:11

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1275795)

Sailfish Alliance received 200 millions. Anyone of you heard that part of this camera from nokia?

If you're trying to ask whether part of that 200mil EUD came from Nokia, I'd say that's as likely as Dave999 never posting in this thread again.

Dave999

2012-10-03 11:28

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1275805)

If you're trying to ask whether part of that 200mil EUD came from Nokia, I'd say that's as likely as Dave999 never posting in this thread again.

I can't confirm it and I agree. Non of if make sense. Can anyone confirm that Jolla and Nokia Charing factory? I don't know Asia so well.

JiiHoo

2012-10-03 11:54

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

From http://www.itviikko.fi/teknologia/20...me/201239102/7

"Jollan toimitusjohtaja Jussi Hurmola arvioi It-viikolle, että uuden älypuhelimen julkistuksen tarkka päivämäärä julkistetaan torstaina."

Rough translation: Jolla's CEO Jussi Hurmola estimated (for IT-viikko) that the exact day when they publish their new smartphone will be published on next Thursday.

lorul2

2012-10-03 12:14

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Just a question... I'm simply wondering out loud so don't attack me please.

Would Jolla have been wise in licensing all remaining meego hardware tech and developing and marketing n9, and the lauta until they have the new stuff ready? Obviously I wouldn't have wanted them to use the majority of their startup money to rehash the past. However it seems they would have gotten financial backing if they continued a limited (100,000 maybe) n9/lauta production line from people interested in meego.

Or maybe not, I need a new N900 :(

Copernicus

2012-10-03 13:17

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorul2 (Post 1275822)

Would Jolla have been wise in licensing all remaining meego hardware tech and developing and marketing n9, and the lauta until they have the new stuff ready? Obviously I wouldn't have wanted them to use the majority of their startup money to rehash the past. However it seems they would have gotten financial backing if they continued a limited (100,000 maybe) n9/lauta production line from people interested in meego.

Oh, absolutely! They'd be able to immediately take advantage of all the research and effort Nokia put into their Meego product, as well as pick up the existing Maemo/Meego user base.

Which is why it would never happen. Nokia invested mucho time and money into their internet tablet series, and even though the current leadership has decided to axe anything that doesn't have a Microsoft stamp on it, most companies are loathe to just give away their work. I imagine that Nokia soon might be willing to part with the technology at fire-sale prices (as the Microsoft partnership now seems to be going the same way every hardware partnership with Microsoft goes), but soon is just a little too late...

erendorn

2012-10-03 15:03

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

China is an enormous market, with very few patents. In that sense it makes a lot of sense to launch things there if you are a start-up with non copyable things (know-of and expertise).
A 95% open phone with a half-closed UI cannot be protected against porting.
A copy cat won't spend the resource to maintain the last 5% (not competitive against using android), and while the community can, whatever the community produces is rarely fit for commercial purpose.
All in all, I think that way you can go mostly open source and fully community friendly, while being not too much of a target for both giants and copy-cats.
Still a risky plan, but let's hope for the best.

Dave999

2012-10-03 15:46

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1275818)

This is the kind of news we want. More of this please.

Rauha

2012-10-03 16:21

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1275871)

This is the kind of news we want. More of this please.

¨As for the smartphones based on the new OS that Jolla plans to introduce by the end of this year, Hurmola said that the company will decide the launch date for those devices later this week."

and another alliance for markets outside China is also planned

"Hurmola explained that Jolla plans to launch a similar alliance for the "global" market, but he declined to specify where it will be located and which countries will be targeted. "

quotes from http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=225486

mscion

2012-10-03 16:57

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Hope Jolla succeeds and the Finnish can get back to their Linux roots!

Dave999

2012-10-03 19:44

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http://imageshack.us/a/img571/5351/jollarules.jpg

onethreealpha

2012-10-04 01:50

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1275879)

Jolla plans to launch a similar alliance for the "global" market, but he declined to specify where it will be located and which countries will be targeted. "

Makes me think of that rumour about Amazon releasing their own handset.......
add an acl or something akin to libhybris that supports installation and running of apk and you have an instant worldwide ecosystem...

Dave999

2012-10-04 05:11

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1276082)

It all depends on functionality and performance, and how the Jolla phone behaves. If the UI don't flow with the application its not really needed. Let's say you could run Android apps on n9 via acl. That would be a waste since n9 lacks the Android application buttons, installation procedures is also something. And of course, the legal aspects.

This is just three issues realeted to using Android apps. If this acl working so great and jolla is serious of building an ecosystem on Android apps, then their phone must be able to work as an Android phone. If there are any limitations. It won't work and a native Android device is a much better option for buyer.

pinvoke

2012-10-04 09:15

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Will I be able to flash Sailfish on my N9 after release?

jalyst

2012-10-04 09:18

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Community may eventually find a way*, ofc Jollla will provide little-to-no help with that (other than keeping things as open as practical).
Nor should they have to, their energies/resources need to be totally focused on THEIR device/s.

*given that it's based on MeR/Nemo it's quite possible

pinvoke

2012-10-04 09:20

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1276169)

Community may eventually find a way, ofc Jollla will provide little-to-no help with that (other than keeping things as open as practical).
Nor should they have to, their energies/resources need to be totally focused on THEIR device/s.

Thanks. So they don't restrict it like with a "N9? EXIT!" - Lock.
That's good to hear, i hope it works. Would be sad to sell my nice N9 after 4 months just for changing the OS.

shmerl

2012-10-04 09:35

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

N9 might eventually run into blockers like no more updated drivers for its GPU for newer kernels and so on. So it's good that it's usable with Nemo now, but nothing is really guaranteed in the long run.

mariusmssj

2012-10-04 11:36

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1276169)

I quite disagree with what you said, in my sig there is the link for N9 kernel update project which essentially is to update the N9 kernel and also "allow" mer core to work on N9.

jalyst

2012-10-04 11:41

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1276235)

I quite disagree with what you said, in my sig there is the link for N9 kernel update project which essentially is to update the N9 kernel and also "allow" mer core to work on N9.

Yes, I'm aware of it, I've been following the thread you started (& the main sources)...
The original question asked whether Sailfish will be installable on the N9 when it's 1st officially released.

mariusmssj

2012-10-04 12:02

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1276237)

Yes, I'm aware of it, I've been following the thread you started (& the main sources)...
The original question asked whether Sailfish will be installable on the N9 when it's 1st officially released.

If the updated kernel is ready it time that should remove a huge obstacle already.

Officially Jolla said they will not support N9 as it's Nokia's product BUT I know that CEO himself and many guys at Jolla still use N9 as their main device there is no doubt that they got Jolla OS running N9's xD BUT That's just my speculation/guess

HELLASISGREECE

2012-10-04 12:06

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

I love my N9 and all but I really want a N900 successor. A jolla N900 successor (if I can call it that)

something with Meego Sailfish + qwerty.
It doesn't have to have cutting edge specs.

Sailfish + qwerty + 3.7'' screen will do it for me.
Something smart, pocketable and (why not) beautiful..

We need to see at least a leaked photo or something.. It's October already!

I don't want to buy a Milestone (moto droid), I don't want the Xperia Pro, E7 is old and weak, Captivate Glide is large and still.. android (meh)

My only hope is Jolla.

**I haven't forgot about the good old N900 though. I've put Nemo OS in it and I'm waiting to see how well this project develops..

OVK	2012-10-04 12:42

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Jolla, I am waiting. Reveal the launch day!

Edit: Or at least reveal the day when the launch day will be revealed.

Stskeeps

2012-10-04 12:47

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1276244)

The situation is pretty simple. The N9s may make great development devices, but the hardware adaptation that's available for it have a clause about commercial distribution forbidden. This means that a company like Jolla can't do anything - on top of the expectations that 'support' means that a non-Nokia company can't do that. That's the very simple practical reason. The efforts that go into Mer and bits and pieces of Nemo, naturally would arrive on Nemo for N9 too.

mariusmssj

2012-10-04 13:30

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Jolla Confirms It Will Unveil Sailfish MeeGo-Based OS Next Month

HELLASISGREECE

2012-10-04 13:37

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Let's hope we'll see some hardware too!

great news. I cannot wait

diogotrc

2012-10-04 13:38

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

21 - 22 November
#JollaDay

NokiaFanatic

2012-10-04 13:56

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by diogotrc (Post 1276309)

21 - 22 November
#JollaDay

At least, we have a date!

Dave999

2012-10-04 16:42

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Another day at sea with Hurmulla and Elop!

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/6789/meegorules.jpg

rm42	2012-10-04 16:46

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Spreading the word...

http://temporaryland.wordpress.com/2...eego-sailfish/

shmerl

2012-10-04 16:57

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1276269)

Can't Jolla bypass it simply by delegating the distribution to non commercial entity (i.e. Mer & Nemo)? Then they won't violate that clause. They'll ship what's not restricted, and Nemo will ship the restricted part, which can be combined with Jolla's upper layer.

Rauha

2012-10-04 17:16

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Homepage of the Slush event where its happening. http://slush.fi/en/

Unfortunately tickets are 120€. :(

Dave999

2012-10-04 17:29

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1276441)

Homepage of the Slush event where its happening. http://slush.fi/en/

Unfortunately tickets are 120€. :(

Oh. That sux. That is where the 200 m comes from? Robbing the foot supporters? I expecting a live feed :mad:

mariusmssj

2012-10-04 17:34

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1 Attachment(s)

Dave if you want use this one
link

Rauha

2012-10-04 17:45

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1276448)

Robbing the foot supporters?

Its a big event. 500 startups, few thousand quests, lots of investors and so on. Jolla isn't getting any of that ticket money. It goes to the event organisers.

Dave999

2012-10-04 17:49

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1276459)

Its a big event. 500 startups, few thousand quests, lots of investors and so on. Jolla isn't getting any of that ticket money. It goes to the event organisers.

Ok, that is great to hear. For a second there I thought jolla could manage without my money :)

mikecomputing

2012-10-04 18:34

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinvoke (Post 1276170)

Thanks. So they don't restrict it like with a "N9? EXIT!" - Lock.
That's good to hear, i hope it works. Would be sad to sell my nice N9 after 4 months just for changing the OS.

try out nemomobile as a start...

mariusmssj

2012-10-04 19:10

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

What is Jolla? - The history of MeeGo's new champion

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