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Mara 2009-08-22 14:08

Re: First N900 Review
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 314354)
With your palm facing the screen, put your thumb on the bottom, pinky and ring finger on top. This leaves both your index and middle fingers free to touch the screen. But you would usually only do this if you were in a pinch. :)

Thanks for revealing this "multi-touch with one hand" secret. I tried to demo this with N810 (just as a mock-up device, obviously not multi-touch capable), but found it pretty difficult. The index and middle finger aren't very flexible (at least mine...). There are only some certain areas on the screen you can reach with reasonable difficulty. The bottom part of the screen is almost completely covered with the hand/fingers. If you need visibility to the bottom part of the screen, then this method is not very useful.

attila77 2009-08-22 14:17

Re: First N900 Review
 
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Originally Posted by anidel (Post 314356)
That complicated?

No, it's just that as benny, says, it's hard to do with one hand. Now, we all know cool people don't do stuff with one hand as it's too geeky (it means that you're either capable of doing two things simultaneously, or that you're packed up, both signs of non-hipness). The put-cup-down-to-zoom-or-scroll-then-pick-it-back-up during morning newsreads is not my idea of usability.

anidel 2009-08-22 14:24

Re: First N900 Review
 
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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 314359)
No, it's just that as benny, says, it's hard to do with one hand. Now, we all know cool people don't do stuff with one hand as it's too geeky (it means that you're either capable of doing two things simultaneously, or that you're packed up, both signs of non-hipness). The put-cup-down-to-zoom-or-scroll-then-pick-it-back-up during morning newsreads is not my idea of usability.

I've updated that answer, I was totally lost :)
Was thinking at something else.. :P

allnameswereout 2009-08-22 14:38

Re: First N900 Review
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 314336)
Multi-touch for the iPhone OS Google Earth app is undisputedly cool.That said, how often do I use that app?

For the type of application not only Google Earth.

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As I've mentioned before, multi-touch is not needed for zooming/unzooming in mobile Safari 99.99% of the time.
Because double tap allows you to conveniently zoom in on the place you want to read/see. When that doesn't work well, such as in Google Earth, you need 'pinch' gesture.

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Originally Posted by Gorgon (Post 314340)
So you can multi-touch zoom with the device in your hand without using the other hand?

Yes, I can.

To clarify: let the device lay down on your hand palm and spread your 3 fingers. Then use thumb and point finger to zoom. After that you can use either one of those fingers to to move left/right/up/down.

Case in point: I've used this in Munich, in the rain, while using my iPod touch to load some Google Maps from an open WiFi AP.

Its not what I'd call convenient but usable for emergency or quick usage. For most people however something, e.g. a seperate hand, has to hold the device.

I can do what you imply with my E71 (I zoom in, out, and move left/right/up/down) easier than I was able to do that on my Nokia N810 however it still takes various buttons to press and therefore attention/focus. Multi touch gets me to the map quicker because I visually 'travel' through the map. With buttons it feels more ar-ti-fi-cial.

ysss 2009-08-22 14:39

Re: First N900 Review
 
You guys are talking about multitouch as if 90% of the tablet's operation is going to be using it. Even on the iPhone it's sort of an optional gesture to use... for the most part (90%), you can manage the phone with a single hand, tap & double tapping your way around.

On the browser (the most important app to me), it takes a quick double-click to zoom into the target's div-width. Another double click to zoom out. Single click to pick a link. That's all there is to it. I very rarely need to manually zoom in\out with multitouch... and when I do, I very much prefer the fluidness and precision of multitouch than (-)(+) buttons like on the Android's browser.

daperl 2009-08-22 15:04

Re: First N900 Review
 
I not say one-handed multi-touch is zohan silky smooth, but I tell you, I do this.

volt 2009-08-22 17:51

Re: First N900 Review
 
You need multitouch for piano applications. Apart from that, it's mostly a sales pitch. HP has multitouch on some of their laptops, and I bet not any of you have bothered to check out which models those are. But had it been Apple laptops that had multitouch, we'd never heard the end of it.

sondjata 2009-08-22 18:03

Re: First N900 Review
 
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Originally Posted by volt (Post 314404)
You need multitouch for piano applications. Apart from that, it's mostly a sales pitch. HP has multitouch on some of their laptops, and I bet not any of you have bothered to check out which models those are. But had it been Apple laptops that had multitouch, we'd never heard the end of it.

actually, latest apple laptops do have multitouch

konttori 2009-08-22 18:03

Re: First N900 Review
 
If interested in how really there is no apple mutitouch patent in the sense that it would actually affect anything but some special case:
http://gizmodo.com/5142445/dissectin...n-it-stop-palm
actually the part where gizmondo guys themselves try to make sense of it is where you should stop reading.

For the cases that they are discussing afterwards, there are prior art cases (like the rotation).

jethro.itt 2009-08-22 18:22

Re: First N900 Review
 
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Originally Posted by sondjata (Post 314405)
actually, latest apple laptops do have multitouch

Actually, even a lowly iBook from 2003 does have limited multitouch capability (using a third-party driver): the two-finger scroll as well as two-finger tap for secondary button press. And let me tell you, it was a revelation when I first tried it, after using regular touchpads and trackpoints on PC laptops for so long.

It's still the only multitouch gesture I regularly use on my latest version MacBook Pro, even though it supports pinch, rotate, three- and four-finger swipe gestures as well.

That said, I personally don't cosider multitouch a necessary feature on a mobile device. 770, N800 and N810 all have pretty mediocre resistive touchscreens. I would prefer a high-resolution, accurate, sensitive resistive touchscreen over capacitive touchscreen any day.


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