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FUD. Do more research here:

http://www.t-mobile.com/

and here:

https://play.google.com/store/device...orpus_selector

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Wrong for quite a few reasons.

1) You have to be in an area with good T-Mobile coverage for the only other GSM network in the US that has coast to coast coverage. I am not in an area like that - halfway between Charlotte and Atlanta there's a lot of dead spots that T-Mobile have yet to fill up.

2) You're talking about purchasing unlocked phones. Wrong. I can do that. I can join any network that supports my frequencies - the more the merrier. T-Mobile is typically 1700/2100 and AT&T are typically 850/1900. Things like pentaband and quad-band phones - like the Nexus S or Nokia N9 - remove the guess work, but you have to have coverage.

3) When you purchase an unlocked phone, you can be contract free or under a limited contract - T-Mobile has removed their prior cooler plans - that can be PAYG or pre-paid. Those are getting harder to find - but things like Walmart's Straight Talk do help and don't matter on the airwaves.

Now, what does that all mean? Buy an unlocked phone, you will not get a lower monthly price. It is harder to locate the unlimited T-Mobile plans now it seems (search for the threads here). And there's no real monthly break for an unlocked phone.

You just can break away from AT&T and go to T-Mobile and vice versa at your own time without an ETF.

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Again, FUD. Here are links for the lazy (i.e. gerbick):

http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans

http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/i...ual-plans.aspx

If you can't do the math, you should probably just stay on contract.

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You can't read apparently.

Those plans are great when you have coverage. Not all areas are covered by T-Mobile. They have the 4th best coverage in the US.

I mentioned PAYG, which means pay as you go. But here's the deal. I can do that with Sprint, Verizon, Virgin, T-Mobile, AT&T. And if I supply the phone, I do not get a discount.

I'm just a different tier of customer. For the record, I pay less than the PAYG, non-contract phones by going to post-paid but not using a subsidized phone - not since 2008 actually. It does mean that I get a shitload of crap e-mails trying to sell me a subsidized phone.

Here's the math for you buddy:

I pay 68.26 per month with all taxes included for unlimited texts, 2gb data (got dropped out of my grandfathered unlimited data), 1400 minutes per month with rollover minutes with an unlocked Nokia N9 (prior phone) and (current phone) Nokia Lumia 900 (bought without contract).

Your link shows that I'd probably pay 100.00 for prepaid to get near the same amount of minutes. I could skimp and pay like $3.00 a day, but that would work out to $93.00 before taxes on 31 day months.

Unfairly though, I get a 23% discount from AT&T for post-paid service since I've done work with them in the past when they were still Cingular.

Do the math. I'm paying less. No real benefit for an unlocked phone other than I do not worry about ETF.

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Strike three, you're out.

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Yay! I'm a winner!

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Well, I still pay about 30% of what my coworkers do and their unlimited this and unlimited that doesn't mean I want to pay more. So, you've gotta take in account your own total actual cost before deciding that $0.01 means $0.01. But I understand that you're on a different market with no actual competition.

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Gerbig and Daperl both have a point. In US in general you rarely get any benefit by bringing your own phone.

The only major carrier that I'm familiar with and who provides benefits of bringing your own device is T-mobile. By looking their "normal" individual plans and comparing to their "value" individual plans they are typically $10 cheaper than equivalent "normal" plan. Counting over the typical 24 month contract term that makes $240 difference (excluding taxes).

Depending on the area, the T-mobile may or may not be an option. Obviously Gerbig resides in a area with bad/no T-mobile coverage. (On the other hand my area has excellent coverage with both providers.)

Now this is offtopic so maybe go back to talk about the Nokia stock... whatever value is left of it. :rolleyes:

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It's actually about $20 - $25 cheaper per 30 days:

And there are no taxes on pre-paid plans, so it's really $25+ - $30+ cheaper a month.

Also, good phones are only gonna get cheaper:

MediaTek MT6577 helps push dual-core Android 4.0 smartphones under $200 contract-free

Back on topic:

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That's okay, they moved our thread to offtopic already. :´(

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And now an unlocked Nexus is $349. FTFC.

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As expected NOK experienced a dead cat bounce yesterday after declining 12% for the prior past 2 trading sessions. It is expected to breach the $2.00 psychological level next week. Support may be found at the $1.80 level where it should languish until more bad news is released on July 19 for the Q2 financial report when it should test the $1.50 level.
Outlook: Negative Recommendation: Sell

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I saw that... my goodness I want one now.

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I already have a Galaxy Nexus, just pre-purchased a Nexus 7 but that Q is a complete rip-off. I'm sorry--but even I wouldn't buy that. I wonder how many of those will sell.

Didn't Nokia just release the ProView today or something? It seemed really unimportant, given the main event today (once again, Nokia's timing is awful... first it was Easter for the Lumia 900, now it's Google IO for the ProView). That might account for the slight bump up in stock value too, maybe?

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It's horribly priced for what it does. Boxee is its closest rival and it's 50 bucks cheaper. 200 bucks cheaper is the Apple TV that does the same stuff. Once the dual screen stuff is sorted out via the new SDK's, killer apps that use both the iPad and Apple TV.

That's all it will take. The Q... not my cup of tea.

That was today? Are you sure?

Regardless, the days of piggy-backing other announcements like the old CES days are gone.

Doubtful.

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And it's getting Jelly Bean in less than a month.

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Well, less than that if you don't mind flashing a ROM on your Galaxy Nexus right now:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/28486-tea...p/#entry761589

I'm holding off until the dust settles but Jellybean's already available for the CDMA (Verizon) Galaxy Nexus phone right now from the Android Open-Source Project code that got released.

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BTW: Nokia keeps dropping value, cash reserves and stock price. A great example of reaping what you sow. I just wish the executives would be held responsible for such gross mismanagement of a company instead of the golden parachutes they often get away with after ruining progress, economies and people.

This Google IO stuff and the way Jellybean is out there is the sort of exciting support and open-source community-built stuff I was really hoping for when I jumped into Maemo years ago. Nokia. Pff. Again--soooo much misrepresentation and wasted potential.

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Even if you look at parts that are not exactly thriving these days, look what happened yesterday for instance.

But Nokia came and gave us a batch of shiny N9s so that's alright then.

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Yeah, I'm writing this from my $150 TouchPad. It's my most used device, but it needs to be put out to pasture. I was really hoping the Nexus 7 was going to have a built-in stylus to help make that happen sooner, but for $200...

The cool thing about Jelly Bean is that the Galaxy Nexus HSPA+ has been a major test bed, and even though I'll wait a bit to upgrade, its official roll out next month should be smooth.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...b189c96876.1d1

I'm just wondering how many more of these 'failures' Elop can make before he is given the boot

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Advice to Elop: You can't blaim the world for bing too fast, the problem is that you are too slow.

But off course, he came from the office world at the time when there was no real competitors plus a major release every 5 years :D

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Wait...

I don't get how the rapid decline of Android affected them. If he: 1) kept his mouth shut about Symbian it would still be a big seller there, 2) was actually using or competing effectively with Android with something he hadn't killed off yet, 3) shown how WP7 was considered an option to Android (it isn't) and 4) is trying to spin Nokia's current state of affairs based on a rapidly changing market which is why he was hired in the first place and that's being used as a scapegoat for his failures and the Nokia Board of Directors keep him on as CEO... they get whatever they deserve.

Seriously. Wow. I'm waiting on him to argue that the sky isn't really blue next.

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Picture that says at least thousand words. (from a soon ex-Nokia building in Finland)

http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/talous/art...TERNATES/w960/

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In Helsingin Sanomat Risto Siilasmaa says that Nokia has an alternate plan for the case in which Microsoft co-operation fails. Also, Elop has boards “full support”, I suppose that his days are numbered now, OPK also got fired soon after similar support. :rolleyes:

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Let's hope plan B don't include any android devices. That would be one step worse than Windows for nokia.

Personally I hope for a new maemo but more realistic would be to join tizen.

Unfortunately the only option is android. It's simply not realistic for nokia to run its own new os again since they killed everything within nokia.

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When surface comes to you. It will slowly eating the market(together with cheaper ones) . That will give users a complete the set with a windows 8 phone. Why not one from nokia?

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yeah right lol

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in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/28/nokia-chairman-idINL6E8HSCRU20120628

In soccer, if the club goes out to declare continued support to the coach, it ALWAYS means he has less than a week left. This quote however, seems to be more along the way of "i am impressed what he has managed to do already" - which tells another, fantasy genre, story. More comical ali than replacement hunter.

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Yeah, but this is smartphones, not soccer. Don't be surprised if the Chairman (don't know what he's smoking) really means what he said and Elop leads Nokia to the grave "with the Board's full support."

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How dare you, sir! A captain would NEVER intentionally steer his ship into danger!

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After watching Google IO, I have serious doubts that MS will ever catch up. The Nexus 7, and then a 10, and the tablet market is all Android.

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...Or Android variants (Amazon, Nook, etc.). Honestly, considering how much Google is rapidly opening up source code--even for hardware and drivers, even for mainline Linux--and allowing ANYONE to customize deeply to the point of not even truly being 'Android' anymore, this is probably the best of outcomes anyway. Nokia started out with good intentions in Maemo but failed to listen to customers, developers and even their own employee engineers. If there's just ONE thing Google has always done right, it's listening to their engineers and enabling them to just invent like crazy and enjoy being inventive instead of being told that they need to be reigned in, as business executives tend to do.

Good on Google... and I'm deeply disappointed in Nokia.

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it didnt impress me.. it's a gimmic :D

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Indeed, it's starting to look like we might finally have off-the-shelf hardware that can run a real GNU/Linux system. Thank $DEITY for that, because if MS had their way that would become impossible on ARM. And even though I'm not interested in the large tablet form factor that Nexus 7 does look an attractive box for hacking.

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Let's not forget that the new boardmeister was raised to his position during Elops company reign. Selected*) because he's thought he can cooperate perfectly with Elop. He's probably as Elop-friendly at the moment, that he can possibly be. The rest of the board, however, should continuously check the map.

*) Although he was, if I remember correctly, groomed for the job before Elop even was hired.

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The board selects the CEO, not the other way around. They are all, individually and collectively, culpable for the mess.

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Yes, but the new board director was ment to work with Elop, it has been the plan for a long time. And it's in part the same board that hired him.

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Agree 100% Google knows how to extract and utiliza creativity. At the moment they are the best.