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Yes it is. Becouse I have to put in work to get it up and running. Pay for it plus it won’t help refund program. Community port on the other hand could be valid

ajalkane

2017-10-12 12:17

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One strange thing: I don't see any Android applications in Jolla store anymore (except Aptoide store). Is this a change in new SailfishOS version (because in Jolla C I see them), or is there something funny with my device?

jenix

2017-10-12 12:47

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Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1536556)

You are right, there seems to be a change in this. I don't see any Android apps as well on my Xperia X.
I was wondering that F-Droid did not showed up when comparing the installed Apps on my two devices (Xperia and Aquafish / Jolla C) yesterday, but did not gave to much thoughts to that.

trashHeap

2017-10-12 13:43

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Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1536556)

I thought this was strange too. I only played with the Nexus 5 port previously, but was lead to believe the Android version of HERE was available in the Jolla store for supported devices. In fact I had to manually download the F-Droid APK, to install Yalp, to install the free HERE app for GPS.

ljo	2017-10-12 14:30

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I have noticed something odd which I see no reports on yet (but at work, so not much time for playing around) -- the features for eas, alien, xt9 are installed, but does not bring in the functionality. I assume it is something account related. Everything else seems very dandy though except for a minor regression for ambiences. In community version ambience (64-bit) crashes were fixed last Friday.

mousse04

2017-10-12 14:35

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Originally Posted by ljo (Post 1536567)

Everything works fine here :

ambience, EAS, Alien, XT9.

jameson

2017-10-12 14:42

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Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1536536)

Just want I wanted to hear.

Time to start looking for a cheap Xperia X so I can finally say goodbye to my Nokia 808.

Funny, even for me it replaced my Nokia 808 that gets its well-deserved retirement. At last I can take decent photos with an SFOS device.

ljo	2017-10-12 14:48

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Originally Posted by mousse04 (Post 1536568)

Everything works fine here :

ambience, EAS, Alien, XT9.

Yes, I assume that is the case for most people since it almost 24 hours of installations running now.

Feathers McGraw

2017-10-12 14:54

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Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1536504)

It works. But perhaps not how you or I would want to. If you have the camera application on screen, pressing the hardware button takes a picture. But if you don't have the camera application active on screen it does nothing.

So depending on your needs, yes or no.

Damn, I was hoping they had implemented some generic camera launcher feature that could be used on FP2 :(

trashHeap

2017-10-12 14:57

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Originally Posted by ljo (Post 1536567)

On the official SailfishX build and Ambiences, Xt9 and Alien Dalvik are working fine over here.

DrYak

2017-10-12 14:59

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Originally Posted by att (Post 1536423)

Sorry, there is no btrfs in the list.

Pfff... too bad. I'll have to compile the driver myself.
Or pester Jolla asking if it would be possible for them to add it.

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Originally Posted by edgar2 (Post 1536400)

whether the sailfishx license, if bought day n is valid until 11.10.2018 (with regards to updates etc), or if it will be valid until n+1year?

Jolla official have added a FAQ on their pages :
- it is until 11.10.2018.

That license is regarding the commercial applications (alien-dalvik, exchange, etc.) which will be tied to your accound and downloaded from the jolla app shop.

For your F8xxx :
The F5121 image will very likely NOT work.
You could still in theory follow the community guidelines and try to build your own community port.

Then I have no idea whether or not the shop will allow you to download the licensed bits.

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Originally Posted by meloferz (Post 1536393)

Or any image is unique for every account?

According to the FAQs by Jolla officials :
image is absolutely the same for everyone and is basically free (it's more or less the same as you would have downloaded for a community edition).

The licensed bit are tied to your Jolla account (not your image) and are installed from the shop (They are not inside the image).

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1536410)

Hmm are you tuning up for piracy?

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1536412)

It would be fair to use for free now.

Jokes aside, given the above (confirmed by official FAQs), I think we should be able to exchange images without much problems.

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Originally Posted by edgar2 (Post 1536413)

makes me wonder what'll happen to Jolla1 and JollaC, the former which is listed twice on my account. will i have to purchase separate licenses for them in the future, in order to keep them updated?

it'll be interesting to see whether AD and exchange support licenses will somehow forcibly stop working after the license expires, or has this been clarified not to happen?

Well currently, on the Jolla1, alien-dalvik *is* end-of-life.
You get whatever was available last, but you don't get the latest upgrades like JollaC and Tablets (Jolla/Aigo/Youyota).

Of course in this precise case, there are also technical reasons (outdated drivers/kernel by Qualcomm) meaning that we're stuck with Jelly Bean for now on Jolla1, no way to upgrade to Kitkat.

Probably the same will happen next year : if the Sailfish X port runs out of money, they wont relicense it for aditional support.

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Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1536514)

You definitely want OSM Scout Server + modRana or Poor Maps. That gives you offline map rendering, routing and POI search with global coverage. :)

I second that : they are really good pieces of software.

mrsellout

2017-10-12 15:20

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Originally Posted by ljo (Post 1536567)

I couldn't install any of the apps subject to the license. There was some issue where the store would refuse my credentials, giving a 'General communication with the store server' error.

I contact Jolla Care who said there had been a problem registering the license with my device and that they'd resolved it. After this the apps could be installed.

Maybe you've a similar issue, and it's incorrectly stating they are installed? There is an installation log at /var/log/zypp/history you could inspect.

nh1402

2017-10-12 15:27

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In theory you could install anbox on the Jolla 1, but not sure if 1GB RAM would be enough.

Dave999

2017-10-12 15:32

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Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1536576)

Pfff... too bad. I'll have to compile the driver myself.
Or pester Jolla asking if it would be possible for them to add it.

Jolla official have added a FAQ on their pages :
- it is until 11.10.2018.

That license is regarding the commercial applications (alien-dalvik, exchange, etc.) which will be tied to your accound and downloaded from the jolla app shop.

For your F8xxx :
The F5121 image will very likely NOT work.
You could still in theory follow the community guidelines and try to build your own community port.

Then I have no idea whether or not the shop will allow you to download the licensed bits.

According to the FAQs by Jolla officials :
image is absolutely the same for everyone and is basically free (it's more or less the same as you would have downloaded for a community edition).

The licensed bit are tied to your Jolla account (not your image) and are installed from the shop (They are not inside the image).

Jokes aside, given the above (confirmed by official FAQs), I think we should be able to exchange images without much problems.

Well currently, on the Jolla1, alien-dalvik *is* end-of-life.
You get whatever was available last, but you don't get the latest upgrades like JollaC and Tablets (Jolla/Aigo/Youyota).

Of course in this precise case, there are also technical reasons (outdated drivers/kernel by Qualcomm) meaning that we're stuck with Jelly Bean for now on Jolla1, no way to upgrade to Kitkat.

Probably the same will happen next year : if the Sailfish X port runs out of money, they wont relicense it for aditional support.

I second that : they are really good pieces of software.

No jokes aside. What images. Jolla official download files? How come exchange isn’t included in the OS. That’s pretty lame. Especially when this is a one year deal.

Valker

2017-10-12 15:48

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Has anyone tried to flash the official image into an Xperia X Compact (F5321) yet?

lantern

2017-10-12 17:22

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Originally Posted by Valker (Post 1536581)

Has anyone tried to flash the official image into an Xperia X Compact (F5321) yet?

it won't work, stick to community images for now

meet.vino

2017-10-12 17:29

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Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1536587)

it won't work, stick to community images for now

Can you please provide a link for community build for X compact?? Please!!!

suicidal_orange

2017-10-12 17:30

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Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1536587)

it won't work, stick to community images for now

I'm yet to see a community image for the compact, do you have a link please?

lantern

2017-10-12 17:31

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ask on #sailfishos-porters, I've seen people there have been building it

suicidal_orange

2017-10-12 17:40

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Originally Posted by DrYak

Does anyone else read this as saying if you buy Sailfish X you might be able to install the licensed bits on any (single) Sailfish device linked to your account? Even if there's a vendor check the compact could still work...

trashHeap

2017-10-12 19:54

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Originally Posted by suicidal_orange (Post 1536591)

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's linked to the model if not the IMEI number. Your Jolla account tracks that stuff here: https://account.jolla.com/devices

suicidal_orange

2017-10-12 20:24

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Interesting - never checked my account. What does it say for an Xperia X? Android works on the dual sim so it's not entirely locked to the official X's model number.

mariusmssj

2017-10-12 20:52

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I am not sure if to flash my F5122 dual sim or wait for Jolla to possibly support it officially :S

meloferz

2017-10-12 21:37

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After some testing, I realized that when I use Whatsapp, even if I close the app through the launcher, it still shows online. Is it normal or is a know thing?

Enviado desde mi Xperia X corriendo Sailfish OS

mrsellout

2017-10-12 21:54

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Originally Posted by meloferz (Post 1536614)

Open the Settings app, go to Apps > Whatsapp and uncheck the 'Allow application background services to start on bootup option'

DrYak

2017-10-12 22:23

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Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1536578)

In theory you could install anbox on the Jolla 1, but not sure if 1GB RAM would be enough.

Note that andbox relies on modern features in the kernel (Linux containers).
I'm not sure if the 3.4.xxx generation of kernel with which we are stuck (thanks to Qualcomm) will be able to support all the required LXC features.

It also requires on the android-specific kernel mods (as far as I remember: mostly the weird android message bus). So even if you're on a recent/rolling distro, you need to compile and load a couple of modules.

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Originally Posted by suicidal_orange (Post 1536591)

Did someone with a community Xperia compact build and a Sailfish X license on their account actually tried it ?
That would be very interesting...

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Originally Posted by meloferz (Post 1536614)

After some testing, I realized that when I use Whatsapp, even if I close the app through the launcher, it still shows online. Is it normal or is a know thing?

By default (if you don't do the config mentionned in the previous post) that's the *normal* WhatsApp behaviour. (They got criticized a lot because of that, specially at the beginning when 2.5G/3G data plan used to be expensive) You cannot shut it down, it's going to *always* be up, no matter what - according to WhatsApp because that "mimics the always-on feature of SMS".

aspergerguy

2017-10-12 22:26

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Originally Posted by paulwk (Post 1536499)

Can you please tell me which application should be used for GPS on the official Xperia X build? I don't see either Jolla maps like with the Jolla C or HereWeGo for Aqua Fish available.

Whilst subsequently removed, if device treated as AquaFish the latter application could be installed although not advocated.http://i67.tinypic.com/34xlw9k.png

deprecated

2017-10-12 22:43

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So, is it just me or does the VPN stuff not work at all? Lol. I can get "connected" but it doesn't create any routes or do anything useful.

Drekkie

2017-10-12 23:27

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Has anyone successfully formatted an sd card from the settings menu on the official sailfishX port?

I have an empty 128 GB card i was trying, but when i select format it takes me to the 'delete all files' button, which i press, but when i try to format again the same thing happens and no format.

If i want to use btrfs on a card this size do i need to format this externally to the phone, or is this pointless because of the btrfs driver issue mentioned up thread?

Drekkie

2017-10-12 23:33

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Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1536618)

So, is it just me or does the VPN stuff not work at all? Lol. I can get "connected" but it doesn't create any routes or do anything useful.

It has been working for me most of the time with OpenVpn settings but i noticed after i changed vpn profiles a few times it showed my real location when connected. If i reboot and connect it then seems to work correctly.

DrYak

2017-10-12 23:45

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Originally Posted by Drekkie (Post 1536620)

If i want to use btrfs on a card this size do i need to format this externally to the phone, or is this pointless because of the btrfs driver issue mentioned up thread?

Currently, the kernel doesn't have the btrfs driver compiled in.

(Probably next week, I'll have some time to try to compile it, as a stop-gag measure until Jolla adds it officially).

So you can't mount it for now.

You'll have currently to go for EXT4, F2FS,
or you can try UDF (which is included, meaning you can have a Log-structured/CoW, cross-platform(*) and non-patented filesystem).

If you urgently *need* to access files from a BTRFS partition (e.g.: the µSDCX card of a dead Jolla 1), you could install 'btrfs-progs' and use ' btrfs restore /dev/mmc<bla>' to extract files without mounting them (that doesn't use the kernel and should work without the driver).

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(*) : pay attention that currently, there's a small incompatibility between Microsoft Windows and Apple Mac OS X.
One can only use UDF on *raw* flashmedia, while the other can only use UDF on *partitionned* flashmedia.
(Linux doesn't give a donkey's arse and can use either).
So you *MUST* use the trick by JElchison I've linked to make a hack partition table that point to the whole raw flash media, thus both Windows and OS X will see what they need.

(And in the specific case of Sailfish, I think sd-mount.sh will mount the raw media first, and then refuse to mount the partition because it's already mounted... must test)

herdem09

2017-10-13 05:11

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Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1536618)

So, is it just me or does the VPN stuff not work at all? Lol. I can get "connected" but it doesn't create any routes or do anything useful.

I'm using it without any issues. It creates the route since i can ssh to my desktop.

pexi	2017-10-13 06:09

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What Android store are you using? Can you still do the Google Play store with manual installation as you could with Jolla 1?

nh1402

2017-10-13 07:07

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Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1536616)

Note that anbox relies on modern features in the kernel (Linux containers).
I'm not sure if the 3.4.xxx generation of kernel with which we are stuck (thanks to Qualcomm) will be able to support all the required LXC features.

It also requires on the android-specific kernel mods (as far as I remember: mostly the weird android message bus). So even if you're on a recent/rolling distro, you need to compile and load a couple of modules.

Yes currently 3.4 kernel's don't work, but with enough patches it should work. At the moment, we're focussing on sorting the more fundamental parts of anbox in order to get it to work in Sailfish (installation, booting, input etc.) then we'll look at 3.4 kernels.

ajalkane

2017-10-13 07:45

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Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1536632)

What Android store are you using? Can you still do the Google Play store with manual installation as you could with Jolla 1?

Google Play store downloading does not work anymore even with Jolla 1, apparently due to Google's changes that block unauthorized devices.

You can use Yalp store to get applications from Google Play store.

meet.vino

2017-10-13 07:51

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Can someone who's installed Official Sailfish X on the official device, ie Sony Xperia X F5121 post a few pictures taken from the camera?

meet.vino

2017-10-13 07:59

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And can someone please give me a link to the community build for X Compact if one exists?

pasko

2017-10-13 08:22

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