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Elop was nowhere in sight when Samsung made that decision. If you saw shiny iphone and new Androids, you would be leaving Symbian too....had nothing to do with Elop. It had to do who will be the next leader in OS. Not Symbian.

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Nah, that was minor. You forget the real elephant in the room. iOS and Android. Symbian was dead man walking for a looooong time

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Before Eloptard, Nokia had a great plan. Apple did it. And Samsung gets it:

http://m.cnet.com/news/samsung-co-ce...thing/57597026

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They did have a plan. They couldnt execute it.

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Are you referring to Nokia failing to execute their Maemo/Meego plan? Because it seems to me their Windows Mobile plan is failing even worse. After spending billions in marketing, they still have single digit market share. With Tizen, Sailfish and Ubuntu entering the market soon, I doubt Nokia's chances will improve any time soon.

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Wrong. We'll never know, 'cause Elop prematurely ejaculated. Like you.

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Lets see, N900 released in 2009, which meant that they should have started working on N9 at least a year prior to date, hmmmm...then it takes them 3 years to release N9? I say execution problems in pre-Elop Nokia.

Now N900, could have been much better, when everyone was doing capacitive, they went to resistant screen, it was a good phone, but not what people wanted. So execution and planning problem again.

I hope that NOKIA will eventually scoop up Jolla, if Jolla shows some semblance of success. That will be their new OS.

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Lumia sales have been rising in double digits. Its the rest of the Dinosaur line up that faltered. But you got to put things in perspective. The competition is incredible now, and honestly the major revolution was iphone, everyone else after iphone was a copycat with variations on the theme. That includes all the other OSs you listed above.

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n900 and earlier Maemo tablets: C and GTK
n9: C++, QML and Qt

Not a trivial transition, but the existence of the n900 an n9 proved that it could be done. And then the Microsoft trojan arrived...

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Windows Phone global market share Q2 2012 = 3.6%
Windows Phone global market share Q2 2013 = 3.9%
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/1...marena_001.jpg

Yeah, WP is really sky rocketing isn't it? :rolleyes:

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Jolla should stay independent.

NOKIA should negotiate a licensing agreement with Jolla though so they can give their hardware the high calibre OS it deserves.

Android's market share is now nearly 80%, the market really could do with another powerful OS on decent hardware to provide some much needed competition. It's just proving too easy for Android to pound crippled lightweights like iOS and WP into the ground.

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@Switch

Whilst I develop iPhone apps, I absolutely agree with you, OPEN is winning in spades without question or response.

Those peeps that don't get this will fail. period.

I have said it already, post #1592

The only way to compete with OPEN is to be "More Open" (tm).

Nokia and LumiaBrains don't stand a chance.

rgds

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The definition of winning is an elusive one. If you look by value, Apple is number one of all the companies. If you look at consumer, he/she is a big winner with all the competition. It all boils down who will deliver the best product for the masses. So you develop apps for iphone. Why? Because its a great ecosystem. I dont see you saying you used your open vs closed political persuasion to make a financial decision.

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Sorry to help you with math. Do I see 50% rise in WP (Lumia numbers). You prove my point.

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I dont see a leader among Jolla members who can take it where it needs to be.

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I think what happened is that the Board said to the NOKIA leadership: you guys cant deliver, you are too slow, the transitions and products are not competitive, something needs to be done ASAP. Samsung already made a transition and we are stuck with dinosaur platforms. And we need someone outside of these stale hallways to shake things up. Hence Elop.

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You mean a ~8.5% rise in WP ???

3.9% / 3.6% = 1.083333

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Love the selective calculations. No wonder you will never be in charge of anything...........try it again with numbers that deal with actual devices sold (hint)

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I don't know what the margin of error is in those numbers but I suspect the 'increase' will be within it.


When absolute numbers are very small percentages can seem very impressive to those who lack understanding.

Despite a huge marketing spend (program after program I see on TV these days is 'Sponsored by NOKIA Lumia'), product release after product release, plummeting ASPs and skinny margins what have NOKIA got to show for it? An increase in market share that could just be a rounding error.

They're supposed to be making a huge push and all they've actually done is grow at the same rate as the overall market.

I look at most of their competitors and NOKIA are making much nicer hardware. LG's phones are so anonymous now I can't even think of one without Googling it yet they're outselling NOKIA. Why? Why aren't the Lumias selling in much higher volumes? The answer's obvious, if you're honest you must know it too.

Samsung sells bucket loads of Androids, when they put Windows Phone on the same hardware it doesn't sell. What more needs to be said?

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@Lumiaman

The definition of winning could be considered as 80% market share, yes Apple has a great eco system, it was around before Android so it was a good starting place.

I am holding off porting my apps to Android which will take a fair few months just a bit longer to see if

QT becomes a viable option.
FirefoxOS becomes a viable option
Android IDE becomes nice
Jolla gets there
Javascript dies horribly in a heap
Java dies horribly in a heap
C becomes the worldwide standard

It used to be ABC, Anything But Chardonnay

Today its ABW, Anything But Windows

Nokia comes to its senses and fixes this horrible mess

rgds

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Oh, in that case you are wrong.
3.9% - 3.6% = 0.3% increase.

Your move, chump.

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When you only have one customer and that person also buys another of your phone, it certainly can LOOK like you've shot up 50%. With such low numbers, compared to all of the competition, it's easy to rise and fall 50%--you're still the loser when you're near or in last place with such low market share.

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http://www.gizchai.com/2013/08/30000...iaomi-red.html

Just saying

rgds

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Just for fun:

http://jimlynch.com/mobile/microsoft...ould-be-fired/

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The only reason why Nokia went with WP instead of Android is because Microsoft bribed them. That's it. There's nothing else. If Nokia had gone with Android their long term possibilities could have been endless.

It was a desperate, stupid, myopic choice.

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I think your analysis is a bit myopic too. I think the money helped, but I do think that there was a substantial internal review and consultation on what makes sense for them. It is possible that Android didnt let them differentiate as much. It is possible that it would have hurt their navigation and mapping division if they went Android. You and I werent at those meetings. Lets leave it at that.

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Looks like Lumia 520 knockoff.

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5.6 million to 8.9 million, let me take my calculator..........+60%.

Your move gump

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Symbian was at one point the largest producer of smartphones, yet we know how that ended. I think we have to look at how individual manufacturers are doing. By my account, Apple (closed system) was until recently the most valuable company in the world. Wow. With a single phone delivered on a yearly basis. Wow. And everyone is imitating them. It doesnt matter if open or closed, what matters is what are you delivering.

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It was all about the money. If mapping was a sticking point, then the smart move for Nokia would have been to put mapping in their back pocket for the immediate future. In the meantime, the S40 platform leaves plenty of room for Nokia to spread their mapping and navigation around.

Samsung is using Android as a bridge. WP is a bridge to nowhere. The board gave away the farm.

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Symbian was a 'producer' of smartphones? WTF are you talking about?


I always have to laugh when Apple fanboys boast about how hard they've been shafted, they see it as evidence of Apple's greatness rather than of their own gullibility :D

You've paid ten times over the odds for a crippled feature phone, sucker! I bet you bought cabbage patch dolls, pet rocks and go-go hamsters too.

Even the 'ecosystem' is all smoke and mirrors - a gazillion fart apps and the worst mapping system in the entire history of the cosmos, you'd be better off navigating by the stars.

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I think your post sums you up. An angry old man.

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I've been trying to figure that one out.

Given his name, you'd think he's a Microsoft fanboy first and foremost.

Out of curiosity, do you not think that Nokia was similarly overpriced for what you got? N900 excepted.

Ah... ecosystem. That dirty word that Stephen Elop uses so damn much to absolutely no added effect while at the helm at Nokia.

Too bad the world's ecosystems (nature) are in a serious downturn and are severely polluted. Maybe that's what he's honestly referencing... the polluted ecosystems all around us.

Just look at Nokia for evidence of contamination.

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@Lumiaman

Apples closed ecosystem was built before Android, its not surprising it attracted a strong following.

Androids open ecosystem is now striding past Apple without so much as a backward glance.

The very best Nokia/Microsoft can hope to do by building yet another closed ecosystem is far worse than Apple.

The very best Nokia could do without Microsoft by opening its hardware fully would be far better than Android alone.

simples.

rgds

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http://blog.applause.com/wp-content/...versus-iOS.jpg

It's a two man fight. The rest is just not in the fight!

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I'm glad you used the word accomplished and not, for example, competent. Accomplishment has very little to do with competence and a lot to do with whose son/nephew you are.

Lumiaman, you had made a few good points before. The delivery sucked which earned you your deserved reputation as a troll but hey, nobody is perfect. But now I see you've really flopped.

I for one prefer resistive although I admit I may be in the minority.

Is 3.9 50% more than 3.6?

Yes, they can't be any lower, can they? In other words, Nokia has dropped from the position of a market leader interested in the market share figures back to the position of a start-up interested in absolute numbers. No need to say more, switch-hitter said the rest.

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But don't the two things go against each other? <A small company X> licensing its OS to Nokia would just mean the end of <a small company X>. Or at least the end of <a small company X>'s independency.

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I see it as a gamble. They could have gone with Android and become Yet Another Android Vendor™. They chose to stand out by choosing a loser that no one else would touch with a barge pole, hoping that their past reputation and their superior hardware would bring the Windows Phoenix from the ashes. Unlike Mr. Lumianian though, I do not see any sign of that gamble paying out yet.

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What is this open versus closed delusion? The only reason Android has such domination is because they copied what MS did to Apple ages ago, by just being software company and providing their OS to multiple manufacturers. The same model that MS did for PCs and tries to do now. Android just got there ahead of MS, and is riding high. Openess is important in your minds, but not in the business models.

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Same thing can be said for BB. enough said.