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My desktop is on Linux. My router is on Linux. My TV is on Linux. (I don't have a tablet since there isn't one out there which doesn't come with an OS I'm not willing to pay for) Well ok the tv and router don't support BtrFS, just trying to mention that I really don't care about FAT. Nor do I about Apple.
I'm perfectly aware of the risks. And btw, even the N95 had an option to unmount the SD-card, so it can be removed without shutting down the OS. IIRC, it simply gracefully shut down the apps which had open handles to the SD-card. Worked for me.

Yeah I'm bitching. And this isn't even a really big deal. I'll shut up about it now. I just hope Sailfish will cater the poweruser by GUI. Speaking for myself, I'm willing to pay for a device which doesn't leave out things because it might "confuse" or "not needed" by the non-techie user. I hope I already did, by buying the Jolla.

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Is USB Mass Storage feature achievable from the community, or are we stuck with (crappy) MTP unless Jolla decides to change it in a later version?

[Edit] Oh, I see that the topic was being addressed in the previous page. :)

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Now, that's what I call THE Ambience!

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After all those no-FAT support complaints I'm happy to report that connecting with USB to win8 laptop results in nice two windows for discovered new devices(one says: Installing Sailfish and goes nicely, the other offers troubleshooting, probably the dummy-charging device?) I am able to access filesystem on the device. Trying to copy 4.9 GB 1080p video failed with 'larger than device limit' message. 1.8Gb 720p file copied nicely (gave option to convert) and works without unplugging, suck on that FATso (no issues with playback, mp4v/mpeg aac ~2k bitrate, seeking works pretty much instantly, neat)

edit: Jolla store is down? I can browse apps, see comments/likes, but trying to install a couple of apps and they are all 'Waiting', system update went through nicely

This is so weird, I have huge-manly hands (~1.9m body height) and that 1 millimeter less than 920 width seems like a lot, no problems whatsoever for now (though it's been only <1h in-hand, could be my fanboism/euphoria) handling one-handed, needs more time definitely, but still, so slick, oh, and WP8 have a competitor in 'buttery-smooth' department... more cooled down experience probably later (or maybe it's the lower weight?)

[edited out, my bad, it is consistent]


Store seems to be back up, all installs went through

Alarms work without the 1h skew (polish timezone/UK language)

Don't remember seeing this mentioned, but tracks >60 minutes long display only the remaining minutes after 60 in media player (79min track shows up as 19min long), both in track list and in the seeking bar (59:59 -> 00:00), loudspeaker has a very respectable volume (left only so far as was reported) aaaand it's 6 am already :D

In case anyone was wondering Angry Birds Go! is a GO! (gyro controls don't work, but they're hardly useful in this game, touch works fine) Not feeling any slower than 920 and the phone really is cool vs heater on the Lumia (1/10 second visual glitch when AB-type 'movie' loaded between maps happened once, but gameplay was glitchfree, Myriad did a hell of a job), need to do a comparison of battery rundown, jetpack joyride didn't make the Jolla warm while 920 becomes hot after 2-3 minutes, then again, apples and oranges, WP might be disadvantaged as developers most likely use some 'compatibility tools' to port, which probably result in CPU hogs. Have yet to find a non-working android game, so far everything just runs (tested mostly amazon appstore), ok, fruit ninja not really playable as sooner or later you will swipe out of it (not a game killer as it pauses, but is an example where native Jolla swipes impact android experience). Amazing

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Not sure if I understood correctly, but if we're talking about the same thing, maybe you should try only the tap part of the tap-and-hold? Then tap it again. And again.

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Duh! Yeah, tap part of tap and hold definitely works, not sure why I... oh wait, WP8 relies on tap-holds. Ok, moving from different UI paradigm can definitely be confusing (not even for oldies :/). Thanks!

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This is interesting to me, as i'd always heard that jolla android apps ran in a sandbox. So, it looks like just some compatibility layer with very little security (other than file permissions lol).

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I can't ssh in my Jolla. Every time I try: Access denied.
Has anybody else this problem?

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Sorry to sound like a broken record but what about offline maps turn by turn voice navigation software like that from sygic (plenty of free trials available).

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This thread is really long. Almost to the point now where having a cohesive conversation requires a SQL query. Nevertheless, the questions and comments have me asking a few more of those UX scenario questions.

UX Questions Part 1 (Actions vs Expectations)
UX Questions Part 2 (Life Actions and Productivity)

UX Questions Part 3: Connectivity, Security, and Comms

Does the Jolla default to 3/3.5G connections; is there a mode/method to put it in 2G, 3/3.5G, or LTE mode solely? If so, how does the device respond in those states (does network connectivity affect performance of connected apps, or device as whole while connected apps are working in the background).

Since its been widely discussed that USB Mass Storage won't work, and MTP is a bit of a hassle on some mainstream OSes, let's talk about what does work: for those where connecting to a host PC OS works, what kind of functionality is available; what is the performance of transferring content to/from the device; are there any other features that a hard-wired connection has limited or enabled? What are the security notices the host PC shows?

Is there a permissions manager for Android apps? Can one be installed? If so, does it work? If not, is there room for such a configuration setting in a Settings menu?

Are buttons in consistent places? Are pull/swipe functions? Where are they not consistent - but speak only to default apps, not any you had to install (store or side-load)?

What kinds of privacy settings does the browser allow? What kinds do the maps/GPS allow? Are there privacy settings showing but not working? Are there settings not present where there would usually be?

Take a picture, save it. Edit it. Can you undo the edit? Is the original able to be saved apart from the edit?

What kinds of accessibility features are available? Contrast, font sizes, haptic feedback, etc.? What's missing? Can you figure out where you are on the device, if you started from the home screen, without looking or while squinting and the device is an arm's length away?

Take off The Other Half: is there any part of the device that doesn't work when its not on there? Is there any kind of messages that the device displays when you access the Ambience settings and The Other Half is not attached?

Given the techie/open source bent, and even though there is no file manager app by default: how does the system handle ZIP/RAR/TAR files which come from downloads or being sent (Bluetooth, email, etc)? Can you view/extract the archive? Are you able to navigate to what you unpacked after its uncompressed? Are there processes which run/hang when you try to uncompress or view these kinds of compressed files?

Have/Has any developer(s) tried developing or using scripts which automate actions? For example, features seen in apps like ProfileMatic, Situations, Tasker (Android), etc. If so, what are some of the challenges with developing this kind of application with SailfishOS? Has anyone tried Google Now or similar Android UX-AI services? If so, what were the results? How did SailfishOS like being told what to do programmatically rather than directly?
- side question: why wasn't the Nokia Bots devs, or the Situation app folks asked to make their IP part of the default shell UX; missed opportunity for #unlike differentiation that would be easier to market than "multitasking" IMO

Create a document with several types of formatting aspects added. Email it to yourself. Open it on the device. What does it look like? Do the same with a spreadsheet with calculated data fields and presentation docs with graphics and text? How does the email viewer handle formatting, links, etc.?

[same task] except, transfer the document using a physical connection from PC to device, or SSH, or add some httpd/apache/mobile web server app, and add it that way. Open the doc - find and use a file manager that doesn't have a built in document viewer. What does the system request it to be opened with? If its the browser, how's the formatting? If it asks to select an app to open (ew), which apps have correctly registered themselves as being able to be viewers of that content? Which did you expect to see but didn't.

Ok, that's all for now. I've got to sit and consider these questions and a few others (previous and unspoken). Hope any answers to these help some of you still viewing this thread. Hope it helps Jolla to continue to see and refine their features development cycles.

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I have you enabled the Developer mode and Remote connect and set a password? Also is your Jolla in a network that allows incoming TCP connections from other networks/hosts?

And are you using right username for SSH connection: nemo

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It is auxiliary storage that doesn't have all the features of native filesystem. Jolla doesn't have to implement features like Reset to factory settings for the microSD card.

Many of the problems are still there (FAT or not) if Jolla would want to support hotswapping microSD cards or want to export the microSD card as USB mass storage (without some kind of FAT virtualization).

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Is Gradius available for jolla and does Type: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A work?

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Jolla doesn't support the USB mass storage so if it is working with Ubuntu 12.04 then 12.04 is using MTP for it.

I'm getting the some error message for Fedora release 19 but in English: "This location could not be displayed. Sorry, could not display all the contents of "Sailfish": Failed to get folder list: -1: Unspecified error"

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This could be easily and elegantly solved by adding 'swipe lock' virtual button to other Android virtual buttons. You cannot expect Android devs to add some special call to their apps just in case it gets used on a Sailfish device so a global solution for any Android app that might require swiping should be preferred.

A more complicated solution could be a special menu button or a special 'Android app manager' app that would allow you to set default behavior for each Android app installed - this could include not just 'swipe lock' but also full screen settings (i.e. no Android virtual buttons at all), privacy/security settings, etc.

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Just enable Developer mode but disable Remote connections. In this setup you cannot use devel-su command (or connect remotely), so all the commands you give on the Terminal app are executing as "nemo" user, not as "root" user.

In Jolla Store app there isn't any terminal app available, at least currently.

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Jolla does support FAT. It can mount microSD cards formatted with FAT. It used vfat kernel driver for it. Jolla doesn't support exFAT so microSDXC cards don't work out-of-box on Jolla. You have to format those cards to use some other filesystem like ext4 to use them with Jolla.

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Does the Jolla phone support 64GB microSD cards? Preferably with some functional filesystem such as ext3/4.

My N900 had 32GB of storage, and my N9 has 64GB. Downgrading would suck.

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This might be the limitation of MTP protocol. I went quickly through some documentation and Android MTP server code. It seems that file size is 32bit signed field in MTP. Android MTP server did contain some code that would set file size to 0xFFFFFFFF when the file is actually bigger and then ignoring the file size when sending object if it is set to 0xFFFFFFFF.

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See the previous post

64GB microSD cards are actually SDXC cards so they require reformatting to use some other filesystem than exFAT. If I remember correctly some people in this thread have reported that SDXC cards formatted with ext4 work with Jolla.

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In Settings app: System settings: Mobile network there is "Network mode". You can select "Prefer 3G" (default) and "2G only".

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And how would one reformat an SDXC card to ext4 format using windows OS? I only see exFAT in Format option..

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exFAT works too if you compile exFAT fuse support on the device yourself.

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In theory: Put the card to Jolla. Enable Developer mode and Remote connection. Set a password. Use devel-su to get root access. Check that microSDXC isn't mounted (mount | grep mmcblk1). Then reformat the card with mkfs.ext4 command.

WARNING If you format the wrong device you can brick your Jolla.

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Any other options by any chance? I tend to force 3G only on the devices where I have that option (I spend most of my time in a concrete jungle with 3G reception everywhere).

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... and btrfs

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No, sorry.

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I'd love to have mass storage in my future Jolla, to be able to mount btrfs, ext4 or f2fs. I'd love too to have drivers for Windows/OS X for btrfs and f2fs.

About FAT and ExFAT, f*ck them. I suppose that it isn't needed to talk here about why they s*ck. I have some external disks with a minimal FAT patition just to carry an ext2 driver for Windows, and a big ext3 partition. I hope F2FS (or any other free (libre) filesystem) win the battle to ExFAT.

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But sorry to say it but my guess is Microsoft will ever support F2FS so...

But ExFAT should burn or it's patent destroyed ASAP! :(

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Samsung (F2FS creator) is enought big in the market of gadgets to include a driver for F2FS and convince other sellers to do the same. I hope they make that movemement.

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I didn't noticed that the username was nemo. :o
Thanks for your help.

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Yes but still people use Windows on desktop/laptops and as we know Microsoft is anti open.

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Is there a way to calibrate battery? My phone just shut off and displays the "connect to charger" pic and when I plug it back in, it says 49% battery left.

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I have always wondered why... windows is really uninteresting except as a gaming platform, possibly, and for those people I'd say it's cheaper and more convenient to get a console device.

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I can't see Apple picking up a Samsung derived filesystem ... Which leaves us back at exFAT.

Jolla aren't going to get away from having to support it at some point IMHO if the two main mainstream OSs use it. What else are they going to do? Ship ext4 or btrfs drivers for Mac and Windows in the box and hope Apple don't screw around with filesystem support between OS releases?

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You can use MiniTool Partition Wizard, it can format to ext2/3/4. Don't know how well it will work with drivers for SD readers, but works just fine with USB sticks and such so it shouldn't be a problem.


A ton of legacy software and hardware support you just don't get on Linux (and Mac, tho to me it's even more baffling why would anyone get a Mac) without jumping through hoops, if even possible. Also a matter of convenience, especially for lame persons.

Despite my general aversion towards all things Microsoft - Windows IS a solid OS and, well, it just works. Except when it doesn't, but...

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Just received my Jolla this week and I've been playing around with it for a while now. I really enjoy the phone, OS and its' UI and the overall experience of the system! There are still some odd gaps that would be great to see filled. Here are some random initial thoughts that I'd still like to see:

• Native Facebook application (now when clicking on a notification it takes user to touch.facebook.com...?)
• 1Password application (seriously, adding my user accounts from other services was frustrating without the 1Password copy-pasting)
• Change background image placement when creating Ambiences
• Terminal keyboard layout/colouring does not follow Sailfish OS's UI at all. Why is there no consistency here?
• No Google Calendar support?
• Spotify crashes every now and then while listening to music.
• No Pebble app yet. (Rockwatch under development?)

But still, it's a work-in-progress! I'm looking forward to future updates and brand-new apps from skilled Sailfish devs. :p

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In my contacts application the people without a picture have their name written in the box.. :o

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Interesting. On my phone they are not. :confused: Looks like gotta do some debugging. Thanks for sharing this :) I'll take it off the list as it seems this is some kind of weird glitch I'm having trouble with.

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What is the recommendation for a filebrowser/manager? The android file managers I've tried will only show the sd-card.