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Anyway, I've received my TOHKBD on monday, I'm using it since then and it's just very cool! I feel like I have a true working tool in my hands again. So big thanks to Dirk & team!
The only little issue is my KB came without the NFC tag, but it's not a big deal I just had to install the supporting SW manually. But just to have my KB complete, is it possible to get a spare NFC tag?

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Kimmoli: I'm "Tomate_Cabreado" on IRC last tuesday. Just because I'm a little bored, I've decided to take the hard way and try to brick my Jolla... errrr, modify source files and recompile your app, in order to get the Spanish/French/Portuguese/Catalan/Swahili layout Malkavian has proposed.

But I just know the good old "./configure && make && make install". Does these Sailfish instructions make the right way to compile your Github source code?
https://sailfishos.org/develop/sdk-overview/

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mind is fried, but repaired like 20 kbs today, all in tohkbd order status page

10 or so to go, then frikkin finally time to make second kbs and do the million other things on my todo list! :)

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Made TOHKBD magnet powered phone holder for my car.
Best looking phone holder I have ever seen and easy to use.

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Looking good!

Are you by any chance selling those?

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Maybe I could make few after work. Theres not much tools for metal at my work place so I have to do bit work with hand saw.

I can upload dimensions when I get home if someone wants to make one.

Edit: Added my paint art. Made mine from 2mm thick steel, make sure its magnetic.
Tools you need: Saw for metal, file, vise and hammer for bending, drill for starting holes and paint is nice.
I put some tape to bent part so it stays in better.

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I am no handyman myself :D
I can buy one if you want to make one.

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I received my TOHKBDs yesterday! Thanks to the glowing balls trio! :]

The two of them seem to work properly though one was only briefly tested. On the other one, which I use the most, only the G and 2 keys seem a bit capricious, but the latter was fixed after some rubbing. The toh part did not attach properly to the phone (like if the PCB was too thick), but after removing some excess glue near the magnets, it seems to fit better. I am still not sure it snapped firmly, but I will see after some more use if it holds properly. The tohkbd already experienced is first fall with the Jolla, but it's still in place and working. :]

The typing experience is very different on the two keyboards I got. Don't know exactly why, but one of them has a softer feeling, with a key course that seems slightly longer, and the experience is much better with it than with the other. The shallow course and stiffer feeling on the other one is actually very noticeable in comparison. I consider unassembling it to check if there is excess glue or material somewhere that would (very) slightly lift the PCB under the keypad.

[Edit] I'd be interested in a car holder too if you do some extra units. Do you plan on doing a landscape version?

_____________________


Two questions:

• To all: the original picture of the planned layouts showed an @ key next to the rightmost Shift key, on AZERTY layout. It is not there anymore, and in fact, I see no @ key at all on my actual keyboard. This is inconvenient for writing emails because I have to close the keyboard to have the touch keyboard on screen to select this character. Is the @ character hidden on some other key but not documented, with a Fn combination? Or did I just miss it because I am stupid? This would be very likely.
  
  [Edit] OK, the @ key is actually on the same key as in the picture, it's just not engraved, and does not need Fn. This key is now ^ ¨ so I am still afraid that either the ^, the ¨ or the @ will be missing from the layout when the accented characters will be supported (they are not at the moment). I'm not sure exactly why the ^ character is on two keys: the one I just mentioned, and on T as a Fn symbol. I guess it's an error with the new Azerty layout, and this ^ should be a @?
  
  For reference, here is the (new) Azerty layout:
  http://reho.st/medium/self/9459eeeb1...2417b73f75.jpg
  
  
• To Kimmoli: would it be technically possible, software-wise, to make the keyboard automatically use capitals for (i) the first character to be typed in a field (Messages, Whatsup, whatever, and it could be cancelled by pressing Shift), and (ii) following period character (.)? The N900 has a setting like this, which can be turned on or off in the options, and using the N900 last week and now the tohkbd, I realized that this setting significantly improves typing speed. If doable, is it a planned feature? By the way, the software is awesome. I was very pleasantly surprised, and yet, with you, my expectations were already high!

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Great idea that metal car holder! I'm gonna think about a way to make my own.

A silly one: I was checking my installed apps, when I said to myself "Didn't remember I've got a compass app... let's try it". But the compass was going crazy. "What's wrong with it?".

And five seconds later, "ouch!" <- put a Homer Simpson Ouch Pic here.

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Actually, the compass shouldn't be affected by the magnets in the TOH really :D
"now what's this bull**** he's saying? Sure a strong magnet kills nearby compassies?" you might think, but there is a simple explanation;

The compass in a smartphone does not detect static magnetic fields; instead, it detects a variance of a moving magnetic field. The TOH-connected magnets are stationary in respect to the hall-sensor-device in the phone, and such cause no signal to the compass. The external weaker magnetic field of earth changes over the sensor when you move the device and such is the only thing detected...

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Thanks! But I would swear I was heading towards West and compass was displaying a number next to 360, before suddenly moving to another random one.

Or maybe it's time to drink less beer...

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I was trying this just yesterday and my compass works just fine, correctly pointing north with TOHKBD attached. I even tried to move detached keyboard part around the Jolla but even that did not influence the readings.

Could be that it is also using the accelerometer/gyroscope data for additional filtering ? Like ignoring magnetometer signals indicating rotation if the gyroscope reports no rotation ?

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Fairly sure it does. Also when GPS is on and you use the compass it probably calibrates the "true north" based on knowing the location change and device orientation.

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Hi. I have this weird problem with my TOHKBD2. If I press 5 or press 6 I get 56, r or t I get rt, f or g I get fg, and v or b I get vb. As I have a qwerty keyboard you can see that the keys are located on neighbouring columns.
Any idea how to fix this? Other than that it is fantastic!

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I have a TOHKBD rev2 with scandic layout, of the first batch, I believe. I never got it to work: I can't change layout in the settings applet. Of course, initially the option was disabled due to reasons known. But now both SailfishOS and applet is up to date (1.1.7.25 and 0.4.1). I can change layouts to others, like azerty og qwertz, but if I select scandic, I get plain qwerty.

Is this something that needs further OS update to work? FAQ says "1.1.7. version (and older) does not support changing keyboard layout." But obviously layout changing works, but just not scandic.

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Also, my plan was always to modify the layout slightly, to get Norwegian/Danish æøå in place of Swedish/Finnish equivalents äöå. I have never started this due to not being able to select scandic at all. But while waiting: where can I find info about this? I saw the "TOHKBD Layouts" thread for sharing layouts, and github, but I didn't see info about how to make one.

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Nice to notice that the latest harbour update for Webpirate has a fix for tohkbd enter key, which is now doing what it should. On retrospect to all the whining on the semi-dead keys I've expressed, the more I get used to the response of the keys, the more I like my tohkbd. It is a very nice piece of equipment and really does fill the gap there was. Respects to you guys who created this!

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not a complaint at all, only a slight warning and looking for help...
I managed to drop my TOHKBD again, this time it was fatal to the toh-part as seen in the picture below.

Advice (mainly to myself): Be even more carefull with your precious then before this post... I managed to glue it with 2 component glue but it looks so ugly i refrain from posting it :p

What i am looking for is the .stl file to reprint it at shapeways.
I found different links to it but am unsure as a 3d print noob. Could someone post the definate file and maybe even get into detail what options to select at shapeways.
Thanks a lot and again, no complaint. Just me beeing to clumsy after 12hours of kitchen work...

http://mosushi.net/misc/tohkbd-defect.jpg

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Yes, scandic characters won't work until the OS is updated.

FAQ says "current layout does not support compose or special chars outside of pc-105 US layout". So, layout can be changed, but certain characters (scandics) are not yet supported.

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https://dl.dropbox.com/s/zyxs65u76vb...asingprint.JPG

https://github.com/dirkvl/TOHKBD/blo...TOH_casing.STL

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perfect!
Thanks for the broad hint. But following the unspoken tmo-rule:
"One can measure the noobishness grade of a question by the font size of dirkvls answer", where is my 200px-size-link noob slap?

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http://talk.maemo.org/images/icons/icon4.gif

RF field sensitivity issue confirmed: 4G and keyboard on left-side of phone causes trouble (Missing keystrokes, infinite repeated keystrokes, disconnected-connected loop)

Use Wifi/3G or keyboard on right-side of phone as workaround.

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So that's what was causing that! I had all three symptoms, but I thought it was dodgy pins on my keyboard part, or the fact that my Jolla bows up slightly because the phone part of TOHKBD is such a tight fit (so there's a slight gap between the phone and keyboard parts).

Thanks for just coming out and saying you know there's an issue, you'd never get that kind of honesty from one of the megacorps!

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Not weird... This is hardware issue. Please contact Dirk via email...

Brushed Black Steel
 

Hi there Dirkvl,

my tohkbd order number is 643, I ordered and paid via funkyotherhalf.com in febuary. that's been 6 month now. I waited patiently, I really did. But right now, when I checked why everyone is getting theirs and mine won't come I found the list and there it is very lonely with half a dozen other otherhalfs, marked "ran out of brushed black steel ".
So the question is: will you be getting that brushed black steel soon? because if that's a big holdup, I would just choose some other backplate that you have available. Would've been very willing to change even sooner if you'd just have sent out a mail to us five metal fans. But now it's too late anyway. Won't have a keyboard on my jolla for the chaos communications camp in a few days. :(

cheers,
mchack

P.S. Still I can see you've been buried in work, so I guess I was just misfortunate. Thanks for all the effort you put in.

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Jollas (some? all?) have a quirk with the compass it seems - it often isn't calibrated when you open the app.

I found laying it flat, then rotating it 720 degrees or so around the vertical, fixes it.

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That is called "compass calibration" and pretty much all hall-effect / inertial compasses need it.

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Yep, but there are multiple ways to do it [edit: and some devices need it more frequently than others]. I've often heard waving the device around in a kind of 'figure of 8' pattern does it, and it has seemed to help on a few Android devices, but doesn't appear to do anything to the Jolla.

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I have the same issue as someone before, but I lost the message. The issue is that Ctrl seems to get stuck sometimes, which is reaaaallly annoying.

Is that a hardware or software issue? :confused:

Thanks!

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Has anyone tried the tohkbd in android console emulators ?

I tried several and all of them have the problem that you can't hold a key especially the up/down/left/right keys. so games are unplayable. for example in jumpnruns you can't run. is there any workaround for that problem? i use sailfish os 1.1.7.25 and tohkbd software 0.41.

last but not least:
Thank you Dirk Kimmo and Andrew for this great piece of Hardware which makes my Jolla complete ! :) I tried it for a month now use it daily for messaging and really get used to it. Only things missing are qwertz layout support in sailfishos and gaming capabilities if the problem mentioned above is fixed.

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Are you really trying to use your TOHKBD2 for gaming? :eek:

This unique piece of hardware? Probably the last batch of physical keyboards for Jolla? Being Jolla probably the last phone with "The Other Half" concept and the last phone offering an optional landscape physical keyboard?

I would rather play ping-pong over a Van Gogh picture. My Jolla and my TOHKBD2 must last 5-10 years. The last chance of human kind before falling into idiocracy, overmuscled thumbs and virtual keyboards.

:D

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@Elektrobier - This might be related to Jolla not yet passing on gamepads and other input devices to android apps.

See here:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...ooth-gamepads/

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@kimmoli - can you add a feature to keep the backlight permanently on when phone is charging? (and also perhaps extend the max timeout to around 15 seconds?)

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I just see it as a continuation of the glorious N900 Game Gripper tradition. :) At least until the inevitable release of the TOHGamepad. :)

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Backlight max time is already 30 seconds in master. Not sure when the update will be pushed to 'normal' users, but you can switch to mer-obs version if you can't wait...

https://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd2#i...h-mer-obs-repo

[also, would *totally* buy a TOHKBD gamepad ;) ]

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I won't be so sure on all the "last"s. It's all ended for now but who knows what comes in the future.

People getting a gadget is to use it, not to protect it. If playing game with a physical pad is his use, I don't see there is anything wrong with that.

I guess being able to use as gamepad may require mapping and makes Alien Dalvik recognise it? I don't know if anyone has done it.

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Especially with all the TOHKBD users showing other people its awesomness. This can make a lot of people to also want one. :)

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Gaming is not my primary use for the tohkbd ;)
Thats textsecure and the console for me. But playing a round snes or something would be a nice addon :D
the tohkbd is recognized by the emulator and i can map the keys in 1.1.7.25 and even the dpad is recognized by alien dalvik. And the functions work when you press them. For example jump on the key l works. But you can't hold a key, when you press right for walking it behaves like right is pressed again and again. I think it's a problem with key repress rate. even on lowest setting this behaviour remains. so my question @kimmo is can you do something about that with the tohkbd software? do the keys have a 'is pressed continously' status ?

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I do not think this could get solved anyhow, or?
So would you consider to offer another setting for "force landscape when kbd connected" like choosing left/right side?

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From conversation on IRC, I believe the current situation is:

• TOHKBD relies on underlying Sailfish rotation settings
• Current Sailfish rotation settings don't allow 'inverted' landscape
• We all hope that changes as of Sailfish 2.x, in time for the tablet