maemo.org - Talk - Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Yes currently 3.4 kernel's don't work, but with enough patches it should work. At the moment, we're focussing on sorting the more fundamental parts of anbox in order to get it to work in Sailfish (installation, booting, input etc.) then we'll look at 3.4 kernels.

At least in the Xperia X there is kernel 3.10.84 (accidentally the same kernel series as in RHEL 7 :) ).

nh1402

2017-10-13 09:36

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1536652)

At least in the Xperia X there is kernel 3.10.84 (accidentally the same kernel series as in RHEL 7 :) ).

That's why I'm working with that and not the Nexus 5.

lantern

2017-10-13 09:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Still, for long life after official support ends, would be marvelous if Jolla provided 4.4 kernel working, so that community would be able to support it for long time after.

Rauha

2017-10-13 09:59

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Can anybody who has gone through the installation tell me how much hardrive space is required?

There seems to be quite many things to download, my Windows box has only like 1gb of free space left and I would hate to have to delete and then re-download lots of porn.

objectifnul

2017-10-13 10:10

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

11 Gb in my case (using Jakibaki's unofficial non-Windows guide)

Martinhsl68hw

2017-10-13 10:30

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Android is gone! Phone is now dignified! :)

aspergerguy

2017-10-13 10:41

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1536632)

What Android store are you using? Can you still do the Google Play store with manual installation as you could with Jolla 1?

You can treat it the same as Jolla C/AquaFish if you want Play Store but rather convoluted process as you need to stop it updating:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...n-tablet-or-c/
https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?...0&postcount=27 or this line if Store still updates. Store version 7.3.25.K worked for me.
https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?...3&postcount=51

It may be necessary to de-activate 2-way authentication to allow installation and re-activate afterwards.

HTML Code:

nemo@Sailfish ~]$ devel-su

Password: 

[root@Sailfish nemo]# cd /opt/alien/system/priv-app

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# cp /home/nemo/Downloads/GmsCore.apk .

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# cp /home/nemo/Downloads/Phonesky.apk .

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# cp /home/nemo/Downloads/GoogleLoginService.apk .

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# cp /home/nemo/Downloads/GoogleServicesFramework.apk .

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# chmod 664 GmsCore.apk

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# chmod 664 Phonesky.apk

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# chmod 664 GoogleLoginService.apk

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# chmod 664 GoogleServicesFramework.apk

[root@Sailfish priv-app]# cd /home/nemo/Downloads/

[root@Sailfish Downloads]# unzip system.zip

Archive:  system.zip

   creating: system/etc/

   creating: system/etc/permissions/

  inflating: system/etc/permissions/android.hardware.usb.accessory.xml  

  inflating: system/etc/permissions/com.google.android.maps.xml  

   creating: system/framework/

  inflating: system/framework/com.android.future.usb.accessory.jar  

  inflating: system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar  

[root@Sailfish Downloads]# cp -avR ./system/ /opt/alien/

`./system/etc/permissions/com.google.android.maps.xml' -> `/opt/alien/system/etc/permissions/com.google.android.maps.xml'

`./system/etc/permissions/android.hardware.usb.accessory.xml' -> `/opt/alien/system/etc/permissions/android.hardware.usb.accessory.xml'

`./system/framework/com.android.future.usb.accessory.jar' -> `/opt/alien/system/framework/com.android.future.usb.accessory.jar'

`./system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar' -> `/opt/alien/system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar'

[root@Sailfish Downloads]# chmod 664 /opt/alien/system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar

[root@Sailfish Downloads]# chmod 664 /opt/alien/system/etc/permissions/com.google.android.maps.xml

[root@Sailfish Downloads]#

nh1402

2017-10-13 10:43

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1536656)

Still, for long life after official support ends, would be marvelous if Jolla provided 4.4 kernel working, so that community would be able to support it for long time after.

I can't find the quote now but sledges didn't rule out updating the Xperia X kernel to 4.4 in the future after I asked about it in one of the community meetings.

pasko

2017-10-13 11:08

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1536647)

there is something odd with your first link!

Hi.
Fixed. I'm sorry
Regards.

pasko

2017-10-13 11:09

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1536650)

Hi, is the image taken through a window, as there are some odd reflections in the top part?

Hi.
Nope. It was taken outoors, but the sun was shinning in the upper top left....
Regards.

meloferz

2017-10-13 11:33

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1536632)

What Android store are you using? Can you still do the Google Play store with manual installation as you could with Jolla 1?

I recommend you to use this Android app https://forum.xda-developers.com/sho....php?t=3444517, you can choose from which server you download, It's available to download directly from Google, apkmirror, and others

Enviado desde mi Xperia X corriendo Sailfish OS

alfmar

2017-10-13 12:11

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drekkie (Post 1536620)

If i want to use btrfs

SailfishX 2.1.3.5 uses Linux kernel version 3.10.84 compiled without btrfs support.

Both root and home partitions are formatted with ext4 and are respectively 2488624 blocks (aka less than 2.5 Gb for root, leaving about one gigabyte free for system stuff like /var/log and for installed apps binaries and libraries) and 18853612 blocks (aka less than 19 Gb for your personal data and Android apps+storage).

This is different from the original Jolla phone where both root and home were on the same btrfs partition, sized 14415852 blocks (aka about 10-11 Gb user space including system files, apps, etc).

I don't plan to install a bazillion apps; once I have working maps, socials and a very few utilities, I'm OK (multimedia will go on a 32 Gb microSD); I think my XperiaX will reach its end of life without needing to expand the root partition.

SailfishX is working surprisingly well in spite of all those "you're paying 50 bucks for an incomplete beta quality system" rants. After a few months of Android 7 I feel really better.

For example, backupping the entire home directory in a single Linux command (needs ssh enable in SailfishX developer settings, I also set up a fixed IP address to have "xperiax" hostname in /etc/hosts):

Code:

rsync --archive --delete --verbose --rsh ssh --exclude=.local/share/system/privileged --exclude=.config/signond --exclude=.cache/msyncd nemo@xperiax:/home/nemo/ /home/xperiax

Clearly Android doesn't have such a feature. :D

Note, I used /home/xperiax as target because my /home/nemo already contains Jolla 1 backup using basically the same rsync command and excluding the "privileged" directories.

almaviva

2017-10-13 12:43

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

My Xperia X with Sailfish is running - I really love it! But I have a problem: I have a 128gb micro sdxc card and it is not recognized by Sailfish (Settings=>Storage: "Memory card not inserted"). I tried ext4, fat32 and exFat (formatted outside the smartphone), and I also inserted the card without formating it. The result in Sailfish is the same: "Memory card not inserted". Do I make a mistake?

clovis86

2017-10-13 12:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Maybe remove and recreate partition table on your sd card ?

DrYak

2017-10-13 13:07

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1536652)

At least in the Xperia X there is kernel 3.10.84 (accidentally the same kernel series as in RHEL 7 :) ).

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1536656)

Still, for long life after official support ends, would be marvelous if Jolla provided 4.4 kernel working, so that community would be able to support it for long time after.

And, as Sony has released a kernel 4.4-using Android 8 Oreo for the Xperia X, chances are high that Jolla will actually be able to do this (various sources mentionned in my TJC post).

On the other hand I doubt that any Snapdragon 400 would ever get Oreo ported (so no luck for Jolla 1) and even it that case, it would be the slightly older 3.18 that google proposes as an alternative for extremely old hardware.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1536637)

Yes currently 3.4 kernel's don't work, but with enough patches it should work.

And the above possibility of 4.4 kernel would bring even more hopes for Andbox on Xperia X.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1536640)

Google Play store downloading does not work anymore even with Jolla 1, apparently due to Google's changes that block unauthorized devices.

Huh ? Mine still works...

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 1536670)

SailfishX 2.1.3.5 uses Linux kernel version 3.10.84 compiled without btrfs support.

...but supports UDF which is a good cross-platform choice, on the other hand.

I'll try to get a btrfs.ko next week, if possible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 1536670)

For example, backupping the entire home directory in a single Linux command (needs ssh enable in SailfishX developer settings, I also set up a fixed IP address to have "xperiax" hostname in /etc/hosts

I am a Linux / command-line tools addict, too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1536657)

Can anybody who has gone through the installation tell me how much hardrive space is required?

The biggest space eaters are :
- ~2.8 GB for an old Android 6.0 Marshmallow image, if you want to downgrade in order to save the DRM keys.
- ~2.7 GB for an Android 7.1.1 Nougat image ( must be >= ...228 )
- ~1.2 GB for Sailfish

Each of the above will also require you to unpack/repack files, so an extra 3 GB free for temp won't hurt.

You'll have to burn some of your porn on BD-Rs

lantern

2017-10-13 13:39

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1536675)

A
I'll try to get a btrfs.ko next week, if possible.

What for? Stock kernel doesn't support modules.

clovis86

2017-10-13 13:45

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I think your play store won't work in a short moment :D

Installing Google play services on Xperia X

DrYak

2017-10-13 13:55

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1536679)

What for? Stock kernel doesn't support modules.

Whaaa?!? Argh!!!!

That's going to be a lot more work to get btrfs inside the kernel itself... T_T

r0kk3rz

2017-10-13 14:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1536681)

Whaaa?!? Argh!!!!

That's going to be a lot more work to get btrfs inside the kernel itself... T_T

Chill, judging from the config they're intending for it to load modules, i mean all these file system ones are configured as modules at least, but no CONFIG_MODULES=y so I'm not 100% sure whether it does or not.

https://github.com/mer-hybris/androi...suzu_defconfig

I'll ping the jolla guys and let them know

lantern

2017-10-13 14:28

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1536684)

so I'm not 100% sure whether it does or not.

well that is easy to check - there is no /proc/modules and

Code:

$ ls -la /lib/modules/3.10.84/

total 40

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 11 11:50 .

drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 11 11:50 ..

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   45 Oct 11 11:50 modules.alias

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   12 Oct 11 11:50 modules.alias.bin

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    0 Oct 11 07:42 modules.builtin

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   12 Oct 11 11:50 modules.builtin.bin

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    0 Oct 11 11:50 modules.dep

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   12 Oct 11 11:50 modules.dep.bin

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   52 Oct 11 11:50 modules.devname

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    0 Oct 11 07:42 modules.order

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   55 Oct 11 11:50 modules.softdep

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49 Oct 11 11:50 modules.symbols

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   12 Oct 11 11:50 modules.symbols.bin

aspergerguy

2017-10-13 14:29

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1536680)

I think your play store won't work in a short moment :D

Sorry to disappoint you, it does provided you stop it updating itself.:)

r0kk3rz

2017-10-13 14:40

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1536685)

well that is easy to check - there is no /proc/modules and

Code:

$ ls -la /lib/modules/3.10.84/

total 40

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 11 11:50 .

drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 11 11:50 ..

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   45 Oct 11 11:50 modules.alias

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   12 Oct 11 11:50 modules.alias.bin

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    0 Oct 11 07:42 modules.builtin

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   12 Oct 11 11:50 modules.builtin.bin

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    0 Oct 11 11:50 modules.dep

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   12 Oct 11 11:50 modules.dep.bin

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   52 Oct 11 11:50 modules.devname

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    0 Oct 11 07:42 modules.order

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   55 Oct 11 11:50 modules.softdep

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   49 Oct 11 11:50 modules.symbols

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   12 Oct 11 11:50 modules.symbols.bin

I don't have an xperia x, so I can't do that :D

But i said no CONFIG_MODULES=y so i was about 99% sure

deprecated

2017-10-13 15:20

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Anyone noticing worse battery life than the community port? I was very happy with the battery on the community port, but there seems to be a regression on official.

Manatus

2017-10-13 16:12

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I didn't use community port, but I noticed that at least Here maps on Android stayed open on the background and consuming cpu after I had closed it by swiping down.

Edit: Hmm, does not seem to happen always.

Mikkosssss

2017-10-13 16:57

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

My Xperia X bottom speaker broke already. Anything played is crackling.
I think that the glue that holds plastic grill didn't hold and its makin the noises.

Should I use emma to flash stock Android before asking about warranty?

LouisDK

2017-10-13 17:01

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikkosssss (Post 1536695)

Yes and if you managed to backup your DRM keys you should restore them too.

richie

2017-10-13 17:11

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Hi

I seem to only have 21gb of partitions on SailfishX.

Is this right?

Rich

Drekkie

2017-10-13 17:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Thanks to DrYak and alfmar for taking the time to explain the microsd stuff. It is very appreciated.

Since i've only now started using Sailfish with the Xperia X, i'm interested in opinions on how i should format a fresh 128gb microsd card if i intend it to hold music on the X.

It seems like the old jolla 1 recommendations about btrfs formatting are no go based on the kernel changes.

Should i look at UDF for this use case? Im mostly interested in Sailfish's ability to mount the card and index the music, card compatibility between different systems is less important to me, but would be nice.

Just curious to gather opinions on what makes most sense for the X.

deprecated

2017-10-13 17:35

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drekkie (Post 1536702)

I just did mine ext4 with a microsd -> USB reader on my Linux laptop after fdisking it with a new mbr. It worked fine out and was picked up automatically by the official Sailfish X on first boot. I just use it for photos and osm scout data.

almaviva

2017-10-13 17:38

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by almaviva (Post 1536672)

Quote:

Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1536674)

Maybe remove and recreate partition table on your sd card ?

Thanks for the hint - unfortunately it didn't work. I recreated the partition table (checked both mbr and gpt) with GParted. I checked file systems fat32, ext4 and Btrfs. My card is a 128gb Samsung Evo+, and it works otherwise fine.

Do you have any suggestions?

mariusmssj

2017-10-13 19:45

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I really miss double tap to wake :(

@Mikkosssss oddly with SailishOS the bottom speaker is much more silent than the top one.

deprecated

2017-10-13 20:37

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by almaviva (Post 1536706)

Honestly, I'm out of ideas. Though I have two 32GB sd cards, one is a SuperPatriot 32GB that refuses to work in the phone no matter what I do, and one is a SanDisk 32GB that worked fine first try.

I have no idea how or why that's a thing, but it is.

Dave999

2017-10-13 20:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1536730)

I think it’s down to luck. You need lots of it when using sailfish or in bed with jolla.

Have you consider luck as the deciding factor?

mariusmssj

2017-10-13 21:13

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Just did some testing and not impressed. Definitely can't be used as my daily driver.
- Restore from backup does different bit of data with every restore. First time it did account and messages but not contacts, on second go it did messages but not accounts, on the third go it added accounts that I have removed 2 years ago.

- After phone is turned off and turned back on it looses any sim settings (only use single sim /4G settings)

- Contacts where playing up

So yeah it's not a daily driver phone yet for me.

ajalkane

2017-10-13 21:38

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Did some photos at house with just lamps, so the brightness of the scene is not excellent. It seems to me that the autofocus is not working well. At a first glance the photos look great compared to Jolla C due to much better color reproduction.

But zooming into the pictures reveals them to be quite blurry, as if the focus was a bit off. In fact when tapping to get focus, to plain eye it seems there's a more focused version when it's calibrating, but the camera chooses less optimal version. I also compared with another Android phone which took much sharper picture. Jolla C also took sharper picture, but it was grainier and as mentioned before the colors were nowhere near as good as on Sony X.

Anyone else have similar experiences? Or other experiences? I still need to test on daylight.

BluesLee

2017-10-13 21:42

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1536743)

Very similar behaviour here, colours are good but i have big issues with focusing, especially with macro focusing.

DrYak

2017-10-13 22:04

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1536717)

I really miss double tap to wake :(

Use mcetool.

Yes, I agree, it's not very user-friendly to do it on the command line.

The same tool can also let you set "double tap to unlock", but it's not advised if the phone is just laying around in your pocket (risk of auto dialing something) instead of stashed into a holste or a case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by almaviva (Post 1536706)

My card is a 128gb Samsung Evo+, and it works otherwise fine.

That is weird, I've exactly used such card in the past, without any problems...

A few question :

When formating the card as EXT4 in the laptop :
- did you use modern GPT partitionning ? or an old MBR style ? (I've only tested GPT myself)
- did you took time to change the access rights (by default root) ? you need to change them to the nemo user (laptop: "chown 100000:100000 /run/media/<whatever the mount point of your card>", or if mounted on the Xperia : as root "chown nemo:nemo /media/sdcard/<UUID of the partition>"

When you have the card inserted :
- what does 'mount' terminal command say ?
- is there a started sd-mount@mmcblk1p1.service ("systemctl") ? what's its status (as root, "systemctl status sd-mount@mmcblk1p1.service")
- have you tried mounting manually ? (as root : "mount -t ext4 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt/sdcard")
- notice anything funny in the recent logs ? (as root : "journalctl --since '20 min ago' ")

And the most obvious question :
- You did buy it retail ? not on e-bay from some guy who sells them at 50% off ?

almaviva

2017-10-13 22:49

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Thanks DrYak. Yes, I bought the card at a big retailer in Germany. It has been working quite a while in my old Nokia N8 (filled almost completely with music). For this, I formated it with this tool.

With my Sailfish X I think I tested pretty much every combination (MBR and GPT on fat32,ext4 and btrfs). I just checked GPT & ext4 once again. It still does say "Memory card not inserted" in Sailfish. I worked with different tools (mostly with GParted started as USB Live system from stick, but also with several Windows tools).

To your other questions (check "access rights (by default root)", "what does 'mount' terminal command say" etc.): Unfortunately I don't know how to do this at the moment. I am new to the Sailfish world (since yesterday), and I'm new to Linux as well (coming from Windows...). I will take this as a challenge and explore this in the weeks to come, but this will take time.

But I'm glad for having with Sailfish a real alternative to Android and iOS - a system which is not based on monetizing private data...

meloferz

2017-10-13 23:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1536739)

In the community threat is a command that solve apn settings when you reboot

Enviado desde mi Xperia X corriendo Sailfish OS

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