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Fuzzillogic 2013-03-17 23:09
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by soryuuha (Post 1329691)
iianm, google may have plan to purge caldav/carddav too...
... which would be another reason not to use google's services.

But given its legacy, I expect Sailfish to use Buteo or SyncEvolution for synchronization, so I guess at least SyncML should be there. Now is SyncML not that popular anymore. Why is that? It seems much more efficient to me and offers much more than just calendar and contacts. Even the N95 allowed for syncing cal/card/todos/sms and browser bookmarks, all using the same SyncML account.

shmerl 2013-03-18 00:40
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by soryuuha (Post 1329691)
iianm, google may have plan to purge caldav/carddav too...
Why should they? CalDAV and CardDAV are Internet standards. Google aren't stupid to reinvent the wheel. That's more Microsoft's cup of tea. Are you just speculating, or you've heard something about it?

They added it recently. Why should they suddenly drop it now?

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2012/0...-contacts.html

waldo 2013-03-18 00:50
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1329716)
Why should they? CalDAV and CardDAV are Internet standards. Google aren't stupid to reinvent the wheel. That's more Microsoft's cup of tea. Are you just speculating, or you've heard something about it?

They added it recently. Why should they suddenly drop it now?

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2012/0...-contacts.html
the speculation has been around since they seem to be trying to push everything into google+, why not cal and contacts

thedead1440 2013-03-18 03:20
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1329716)
Why should they? CalDAV and CardDAV are Internet standards. Google aren't stupid to reinvent the wheel. That's more Microsoft's cup of tea. Are you just speculating, or you've heard something about it?

They added it recently. Why should they suddenly drop it now?

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2012/0...-contacts.html
http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/2013/0...-cleaning.html

Quote:
CalDAV API will become available for whitelisted developers, and will be shut down for other developers on September 16, 2013. Most developers’ use cases are handled well by Google Calendar API, which we recommend using instead. If you’re a developer and the Calendar API won’t work for you, please fill out this form to tell us about your use case and request access to whitelisted-only CalDAV API.

shmerl 2013-03-18 03:56
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
This is weird. So they switch to their proprietary API? I'm not sure what it refers to when talking about developers only. What about users? Will CalDAV be accessible to the users of Google Calendar or not?

waldo 2013-03-18 03:58
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1329725)
This is weird. So they switch to their proprietary API? I'm not sure what it refers to when talking about developers only. What about users? Will CalDAV be accessible to the users of Google Calendar or not?
Google is becoming apple, but since they are a web company it could be worse

shmerl 2013-03-18 04:03
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
I'd say - don't use their calendar then. Choose any service which supports CalDAV. Just found something like this:

https://fruux.com/

jalyst 2013-03-18 04:03
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
If it's completely open*, available for others to use, & is better in some ways than caldav, then it's not necessarily a big issue...
New standards are often initially driven by one big co, & then gain wider adoption/acceptance in a open/transparent way, but I don't like the sound of the name "Google Calendar API".

If anyone has more info. about it all, we'd love to know what the real deal is....
If it's definitely not acceptable, then that's another thing that needs to be communicated to Sailfish via the docs, & the best approach outlined.
(they probably still need to support Google's new "standard" though -unfortunately)


*in the sense that it's steered by a group at arms length from googl, or at least with some sort of autonomy, & in a open/collaborative way.

shmerl 2013-03-18 04:09
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
So far I didn't find any details on the licensing of their "Google Calendar API". For what it's worth - CalDAV is already a IETF approved standard. This new thing - who knows.

thedead1440 2013-03-18 04:10
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1329727)
I'd say - don't use their calendar then. Choose any service which supports CalDAV. Just found something like this:

https://fruux.com/
You can have your own implementation of CalDAV and CardDAV on your own server or whatever but the point of people is that they have grown into using Google's services and its perfectly reasonable for these people to ask for something similar on a OS they plan to switch to. After all iOS and Android users won't be having too much trouble, would they?

FWIW I don't use Google's services for such but asking people to switch to something else is not really a good idea. After all Sailfish is not a dead OS that needs work-arounds ;)


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