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I managed to make my pre order payment yesterday and all went fine. No credit card problems

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So far I think all those who reported payment problems were from France, myself included. It is just a correlation at this point, but it might be worth looking in that direction.

[Edit] Wrong. It seems gtmaster303 is from the USA, considering his concerns about Sprint.

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J'ai bien peur que vous ayez tort, ma chère.
[I'm afraid you're wrong, my dear.](?)

My guess is CC issues are not bound to country but individual security measures per institution/bank.

Us reporting here mainly means we use CCs rarely and got surprised with the complications imo.

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Your French sentence is correct, but I edited my post in advance. https://talk.maemo.org/images/smilies/cool.gif Indeed, I was wrong, some reports seem to come from other countries.

I don't think this alone explains the reports. I do use my credit card very often on the web or abroad and my bank usually is very flexible without prior notice, this is the first time in years that I encounter the issue I have encountered here.

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Go back and read previous posts, Sprint does use sim cards, but not like a gsm carrier would.

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Correct, but CDMA carriers DO use SIM cards for LTE service.

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I was also blocked this morning. I don't often use my card with such high amounts, but when I asked the bank about the reason for those protections, they said something kind of like this (translated from French) : "This website is not known from us and as such is flagged as a potential fraud". Not sure what they would need to "know" the website in the future...

They said they could remove the ban temporary on my account to allow me to do the purchase, with a duration of my choice, but that didn't work so far. I may try again tomorrow to check if it is only a delay from the bank, or something else.

That does not help to keep confidence with the project...

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I will attend FROSCON with some "Sailfish OS running keyboard devices" this coming Saturday. Glad to meet Olf and maybe Mosen again!! :D

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@chenliangchen As you are here, do you have any comments about those declined credit cards payments ?
Anything you know that could help us troubleshoot this with our banks ?
Or in the other way, any details you need from us, to help improve this on your side ?
And as a fallback, could Paypal be added ?

Thanks !

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Really sorry to hear that. :( Unfortunately this is all to do with your bank's security policy... We cannot help here. There are a few cases that the payment went through on a second attempt, it might be worth trying. :)

We are working with PayPal and trying to restore it as an option, we are doing our best and it shall not take too long. But can not guarantee the exact timeline at this moment. :)

If you experience more issue, I will engage with the financial team to get back to you formally.

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Thanks Chen,
I think these words were necessary even it should be clear that you FxTec cannot do anything to make banks believe you are no fraud! ;)

Paypal would be a nice option but maybe someone here remember the Neo900 desaster? :(

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@chenliangchen
Did you get a chance to look into my Sprint CDMA question? I emailed and tweeted but didn't hear back yet. Already paid for my preorder so I'm hoping I can get an answer soon

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Alright, so last night I actually dreamt that someone from F(x)tec (he had the t-shirt) knocked on my door and gave me a beta Pro1 (easy to tell: the phone came with no box) and a USB thumb containing the latest SFOS community build.

Hopefully the wait will end before the last bits of my sanity are lost.

(Paypal would have been great. It generally defends the buyer in case of big issue like scam or lost parcel, this would have made some buyers more comfortable.)

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Paypal is very risky for large sums of money if your a business, like peterleinchen mention.

After hearing so many horror story, I would as a business make sure it's not the preferred way to pay ... but an option I guess.

Hard call to make. Of course different story for buyers

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Thank you Peter for understanding. :) We are working hard with PayPal to fully comply with their business terms and conditions. Progress has been made and I really hope it can be shortly restored as an option so less users will have this problem. (And yes, don't want things happened on Neo900 to happen again.)

Sprint should work on Pro1. However the actual signal strength will depend on your region. Pro 1 has LTE 25 26 and 41 which should cover all of Sprint's LTE network, The only thing is their secondary CDMA BC10 network's local coverage (Maybe talk to a Sprint customer service to check if your area is only covered by CDMA BC10) With Primary CDMA BC1 Pro1 is covered.

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It's 100% true. But we are still try to find a solution. Hopefully can bring some good news shortly.

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Absolutely, we discussed that here a few weeks ago. I was just mentioning the buyer's side.

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Hence the final schedule (see room C120) of the Sailfish OS sub-conference at FrOSCon 2019 is published, now also having @chenliangchen presenting the F(x)tec Pro1 running SailfishOS!
Visit us on Saturday, August 10th, starting at 2 p.m. at the FrOSCon in St. Augustin (near Cologne) in room C120.

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Thanks for your feedback.
I tried again today, and it finally got through ! :cool:
Looks like there was some more delay than expected on the bank side to add the exception in the system (the person I got on the phone the other day was not the actual person doing it).
So I will not personally need Paypal for this one, but it may still help others.

So now, to the next step.... waiting for the delivery ;)

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Thanks for the reply. I know the Pro1 supports the bands, but I'm concerned about which model (not size) sim is needed for the Pro1. Every Sprint phone needs a ICCID chip to register for LTE access.

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FYI:

• https://www.froscon.de/en/program/project-rooms/#a2790 and https://www.froscon.de/en/ work fine
• https://frab.froscon.de/en/sfos2019/public/timeline and https://frab.froscon.de/en/sfos2019/public/events/2532 ask for a login

I'm curious, but not enough to try to make an account on a website I'm unlikely to ever log in again :(

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Oh, I assumed these links to be publicly accessible, as they are containing "public" in their paths. Thanks for pointing out that they are not.

You are welcome to be curious: Swapped links with really public ones now in

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So... Are we wiser after tomorrow?

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Interesting retweet from Jolla themselves, that somehow acknowledge the existence of F(x)tec:
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/1159756339268202496

Original tweet from Thaodan is :
With two pictures of the Pro1 attached.

And Jolla's retweet comes with this comment:

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As much as I would like to attend (as only under 100km) the more I join summer vacation with kids (at the moment without wife ;)).

Good speed to FrOSCON, olf and FxTec.
And also to Jolla understanding their community and their needs/wishes!

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Come on peterleinchen, you got to get the kids into tech early :D. Have then hand out fx flyers :D


Of Course I'm joking ... lol. Enjoy your family time and semi off the grid (at least work grid).

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this is not USSR marketing, it's probably just a fact that they don't have 10000 pcs per day production line. For very obvious reasons.
If you are not willing to wait then go and get the next flagship killer from China. Maybe you'll get lucky in 178th flashsale 10s window.

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Any news from Froscon?

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Until now i ignored the existence of this topic. Though i am sceptical in general until a product reaches a certain degree of maturity, i already like a first hands on on the Pro1 running Sailfishos. It seems to be a hell of a nice device, especially if you are a nostalgic N9(5|0)0 fan.

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The device is incredible, definitely worth every Cent, and Sailfish is running really nice on it already. Even Camera did work.

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Fair enough!
Even more tough, i hope there are many more people around who share your opinion and buy the pro1 once it is actually available :)
Also this must be one of the reasons fx does not comment on actual preorder numbers. Because they know themselves those numbers are quite unreliable given many people just showed their vague interest by preordering with no (monetary) strings attached.

It was great!
Community wise i (at least) met cy8aer, BluesLee, LLelectronics, olf, TeZtdevice, pavi, jayki, Thaodan, chenliangchen and sorry if i forgot anyone with TMO handle. EDIT: NobodyInPerson for instance! EDIT2 and velox!
My estimate is we were ~20-30 people in the room.
Olf and Thaodan gave a very good overview about Sailfish and its origins first. Then a short q&a revealed some basic questions from newbies and some more in depth discussions that where rightfully moderated away to the upcoming Community Meeting in Bonn since time was quite short to discuss in this large group.
That said, Olf really surprised me with his super competent moderation style. If it was not for him we would still be sitting in that room randomly chatting around with seat neighbours only :D

After a break we had chen introducing the pro1 in a very personal manner and explaining how the sailfish port came about, crediting TheKit, Piggz and Mr_Magista.

Since i already had it in hand i limited the hands on to a short "what do i usually do with sfos" tour and was really satisfied. The size and weight of the device + rounded glass makes edge swipes more comfortable than i expected. I checked how low the screen brightness goes comparing to my XA2 and Leszek concluded that the Pro1 is not as "dark" as the XA2 on lowest setting probably due to Amoled screen.
Anyway, the other way around, max brightness again blew me away. I thought it was already at max when i got the pro1 handed but it was at mere 70% and already much brighter and more vivid colors and contrast than the XA2.

Nothing much more i come up with, maybe you have a question?

https://mosushi.de/misc/20190810_160431.jpg

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Thanks for the great summary Mosen, it really is encouraging to see so many people with enthusiastic looks around the table. I hope the retweet by JollaHQ and those about the FrOSCon will drag more influential bloggers or developers into the game, in turn attracting more people too.

Did you see one of the units running the SFOS port boot? Last time we heard about multiboot, it was not done but one of the porters claimed it would be technically feasible. Just curious if there are some first bricks of a boot menu already.

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I can not confirm multiboot at froscon, have not seen and to be completely honest chen actually asked us not to reboot since there was currently an unwanted state in the test devices that let them only do 5 reboots successfull. Do not know more details though.
The only time i saw some kind of bootloader was the pure fastboot menu at the Düsseldorf event in the photo i linked pages back.

The Jolla retweet.
The "amazing guys" mentioned in the tweet are for sure Olf & Thaodan since they organised the event!

Thaodan told me he communicated with James upfront and was advised to add Photos to play by the social media rules. So he added the Photos you now see retweeted by jolla containing the Pro1.

Lets read the minimum positivity from that.
Jolla at least did not say to Thaodan "please use another image since it is way to early to associate ourselfs with fxtec in any way until they have proven themselfs".

Oh, and Jolla employees privately throwing an eye on the pro1 is another small positive detail imo :)

And speeking of press, i might have attracted @tonekaboni (editor at c't magazin) to look at the pro1 and he commented along the positive sentimental lines.

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I Thank You for great summary... Good that the presentation was great, I didn't doubt anything else - I would have liked been there, but not possible...

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While I can appreciate that in todays world we all love to get whatever we want as soon as possible (amazon time). However this should not be confused with capitalism, in a free market it's supply and demand.

If something doesn't live up to the expectations then you simply don't buy it. But if something fit you needs than one would need to evaluate if the price, delivery and build meet the value worth the price.

I look at. this project like a hybrid kickstarter with out buyer funding. They are sharing a lot of info like a crowdfunded project on the process. So we as potential buyer won't loose and money if they fail. When was the last time LG, Samsung, apple, google or most share their process during a new product development?

I do enjoy when people share there options and thought about these device that become integrated into our lives. But I like to remember that a lot of us have waited since 2010 for a device that felt like another n900.

So even though I will most likely wait a certain time before I would buy one (got burnt from neon900). But I can wait and hope they have great success. So they can make a smaller one ... lol

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Thanks for the detailed answer Mosen.

Absolutely, my point was not to overinterpret Jolla's retweet, I know this doesn't mean much at this point. However, @jollahq has admittedly more viewers/followers than most people who mentioned the Pro1 so far (let alone the big tech media after Barcelona, but that was a long time ago already), and FrOSCon can touch people that may be influential or important contributors in the open source world. That's just what I meant.

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You know what, that's actually what I'm really hoping for as well :) I did buy the Pro1 (already paid for it), and through that, I want to show my support to FxTec/Livermorium and hope that they can make more hardware keyboard phones in the future.

I'm hoping that the next device (Pro2? Pro2 S? ;)) will be a lot smaller, and will be fully 'open source' (no lib-hybris, etc.) and with hardware kill-switches for at least cameras and microphone. Much like Purism's Librem 5 and Pine's PinePhone.

That's actually my only extra wishes comparing to the Pro 1. I think hardware-wise and on paper the device is perfect otherwise.

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+1
not a lot smaller but more like XA2 or JollaC without bezel would match my size wish (ordered a XA2, as XA2+ is just too big too feel comfortable in pocket for every day use). HW kill switch for cam, mic and modem would be mice, too. But...
And full support (maybe dual boot) of "independent" OS...

Oh, we are already starting the wish list for your next device, Chen! :D

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For one i hope Fx will not answer Pro2 questions anytime soon.
Anybody remember the Osborne Effect?

EDIT:
Oh yes, we all know.
The wiki article even states that the Elop Effect is related:

"
Another example of the Osborne effect took place as a result of Nokia CEO Stephen Elop's implementation of the plan to shift away from Symbian to Windows Phone for its mobile software platform. On top of this, criticism of existing products was compared to the Ratner effect. These two together led to the coining of the term "Elop effect", to describe the combination of both premature announcement and negative comments on existing products.[8][9] Although it was known for some time that Nokia's Symbian phones were no longer competitive against iOS and Android, they still generated significant profit thanks to Nokia's brand recognition until Elop's announcement "effectively transformed the Symbian cash-cow into a dead duck"."

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Definitely.

Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro1! Pro2 ?

We are far away from any announcement. First concentrate on the current device to get a success!