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Of course they advice you to do that but I think very few app developers will do that until they see how the UI acts and that we actually got a phone in the market. Both as testing unit but also the knowledge of that users will actual use the application. Will also have information about how app distribution will be solved and even if Android applications can be used(double it)

Too many questions and to few answers to start putting any real time in something.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Stskeeps. I want to see that amazing stuff they are talking about on twitter.

Show me, show us, show it now!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Haha Dave999 you are 1 naughty boy :p

Yes, Stskeeps you'll need to expose a preview at least :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

For new applications that may make more sense (to wait a bit), but for existing ones which are to be ported to Jolla's OS - porting them to Nemo now, and building them with Mer SDK is a good exercise which will cover the bulk of the further adaptation for Jolla.

And about distribution - make a good judgement. Community distribution (open source applications) will use community zypper repositories (I hope community will come up with a good shared repo, and not some broken mess). For commercial applications, Jolla will set up some dedicated channel as well I bet. Nothing extraordinary here.

And how are you going to know if users will be willing to use the application? I don't think Jolla can help you in any way here. It's your own thing to deal with. Make a good and useful application, don't duplicate efforts without a valid reason and better make it open source. Someone will use it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

but...does it come with a keyboard?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Of course it will. All mobile devices comes with a keyboard nowdays :D

Have you been living under a rock? ;)

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That was never a definite, in fact I recall them changing that quite early in the yr (before the more recent announcement that WP's getting more focus) & saying early 2013, which always sounded more realistic anyway.
But yeah, I'd love some way tighter collab. between it MeR/Sailfish(Jolla)/OpenWebOS/B2G etc, then again, that might be a bad thing given that: Samsung seems to "not get it" (ala Nokia), & three of the parties are so HTML5-centric they might eventually drown-out MeR/Sailfish's "Qt-ness".

I spoke to Jolla recently, they said they're looking into answering at least some of the questions from our community doc, last I checked they were still looking into it, I will continue to chase them up about it.
Upon skimming this thread to catch-up on the latest, it seems some (shmerl etc) have raised some new/interesting questions, please put them in the doc.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Great that you continue asking them. I wouldn't be suprised if their answer comes right after the November event. Maybe even on the same day ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yeah, it may be that they simply can't answer anything till 21/22...
But anything that isn't answered then, hopefully they can clear that up in the doc.
If not right away, then hopefully just before the next announcement in Dec.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If the first question in doc is when they plan to answer the question you dont need to speculate ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The rest of you, shut up! We have IMPORTANT questions to ask like, "can it can run grep??"

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Speculation on Finnish tech magazine 3T: Jolla Handset will have very few buttons and will have "motion sensor based gestures": http://www.digitoday.fi/vimpaimet/20...a/201239742/66 (in Finnish).

Speculation is based on Hurmola's interview for the 3T Magazine.

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gestures can be fun. But is it effective. Not at the moment. Using it on my android at the moment. especially if you doing a motion that you dident intend to and somthing starts up :D

They have to come up with a brand new gestures style to get it effective.

Speak input and motions still have to many issues that can break the use cases. press at an icon/button is superior for most tasks at the moment.

I hope its fake.

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Because if you have grep, you can run important things like

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And is that GNU grep or busybox?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That's a good one. I'd prefer it to use coreutils instead of busybox (I don't like the later). Or at least that busybox could be replaced with coreutils without some convoluted hacks like in Harmattan.

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While we all speculate. I want arguments reality features in jolla. That is the future of commercials and operators would love it. Not standard logo and boring applications. Forget about motion navigation.

Built in standard in disk phone.

http://images.intomobile.com/wp-cont...adia_phone.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x47mLRvrn78

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Swipe by tilting phone left/right. Like n9
Tilt phone down to close up like n9
Scroll in any view by sliding your finger up or down on the side of the phone
Press hard on any side of the phone to select somthing.
Start cam by dubbletter tap on the back side of the phone. Double tap again to take an image.
Nvigate on the screen by moving finger on the back side of the phone, press harder to select somthing. That gives you superior navigation with one hand without buttons especially at the top of the screen.
This kind of gestures? Jolla should hire me as speculate designer.

http://nokiagadgets.com/2012/10/12/j...e-to-start-it/

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This would most probably make the photo quite blurry or capture the wrong area. :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

not more than pressing on the screen today. that motion is better since you can hold the phone better. A dedicated button is the best. but would be cool with a device with 0 buttons

just think how fast you whould be able to take a photo with two double taps :D even while talking in the phone :)

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Feel free to add that one if you want... :D

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Almost forgot another downside of onscreen double-taps - once you use it in an area, just can't use it for fast single-clicking anymore.
Once you get the first click, you would have need to introduce a slight delay to decide if the input was a single click or doubleclick. This breaks fast paging and needlessly delays GUI response for single-clicks.

I hit this issue in Mieru - the whole screen is divided in half and each half is used for forward/backward paging. Paging is activated immediately once the user lifts the finger & every click turns a single page forward/backward.

If I added double-tap support, this would introduce unnecessary paging delay & users won't be able to quickly page through many pages.

In the end it was solved with a special edge paging mode, where the screen middle can be used to perform different actions by single & double-clicking the screen middle. Users can still page quickly & the middle click actions don't need to be perfomed in rapid succession (fitting mode switching) so the delay is not a problem in. :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You know I'm taking about hitting the backside of the phone and not the screen itself.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, then the only issue I can think of is a slightly higher probability of dropping the device (as the tapping finger would be normally holding the device). :) Other than that it might work quite nicely.

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Agreed, but I'm not using that finger for holding the phone and if this was fully implemented by Jolla you can hold the phone as if you hold it tour your ear. If ui was adjusted to this you could navigate with that grip. The only time you need to change grip is if you want to type.

Another thing. We must have a kill switch button if we can't remove battery.

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http://jollatides.files.wordpress.co...ps-concept.jpg

I hope for some crazy design. Dont want a regular saop phone.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

More than a month to ui demo and SDK.
More than two months to devices announcement.
More then X months to customer deliver.

:(

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I have a feeling this forum is kept alive by trolls and 13 year olds.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This. Give me a dedicated button all the time!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yep - and applications should be able to use them for their own purposes (except the power button ? & maybe also a global switch enabling/disabling application access to buttons).

Possible uses for hardware buttons:

• zoom in/out
• turn pages
• trigger rerouting
• take a picture
• start/stop/pause recording
• jump to task switcher
• toggle flashlight (long press ?)
• full-screen toggle

Every button can be assigned at least two actions (press + press hold). Of course, there are also more advanced possibilities (double-press, button combinations).

Physical buttons also have the important advantage of tactile feedback - you can easily press them without looking at the device or in adverse visual (darkness, heavy sun) and motoric (gloves, in a shaking vehicle) conditions.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

good points about button usage. combine that with gesture-based navigations like swipe (where the user is not forced to use the button to navigate) and you've got a winner.

I own an N9 and an iphone 4s and i absolutely detest having to bend my thumb to use that damn iphone button (i only use it for video anyway).

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Same to you. I guess you would have 0 thanks without my posts. I'm a thanks generator for people that don't contribute and at the same time post the same useless post.

You could add the line to you footer, like don_falcone. It's much easier to identify members who only gets thanks by attacking other members. Keep it up. Keep your posts off topic and see where it takes you.

Back to topic please.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Dave you are getting carried away a bit! Go outside enjoy the weather, take up and outdoor sport, this will make time pass quicker :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Great advice, but I don't want the time to pass quicker. It's more that Jolla should be quicker.

I take your advice and going for a fishing trip. I might catch a sailfish :D

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This is what _i_ call touch-/finger-friendly ;) (and why i insist on mechanical computer keyboards with regular layout - i KNOW (feel) the CTRL key is left to the cursor keys).

While it had its own conditions, i really miss the scroll wheel from my Trekstor Vibez player. Now i have to cope with the crappy capacitive touch-controls of Cowon players. At least there are still volume buttons. Wondering when those will be omitted too. F*ck designers.

So, let's see how they will implement haptics.

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JussiHurmola is demoted to master of Sailfish and Marc Dillon stepping up as CEO. Who takes Marcs old position is unknown tp me. Maybe no one.

Very strange change so early in the game. Let's hope it's for the best.

Edit: seems that jussi was promoted. My Bad. He is moving to the Jolla Board!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Just read the Techcrunch article.

The thing that concerns me is this bit of their description "with a strong focus on China".
Made alarm bells ring :confused:

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I honestly didn’t think Jolla would release a qwerty phone in the near future, but it seems quite likely they'll do!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...size=521%2C216

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True, but it's not a done deal yet. The intressting here the customer base they are targeting with this first device. I'm not sure how the public user using their smartphone in china. But I doubt a keyboard version would win a voteing contest anywhere in the world. No the meego community that voted at jollatides.com are exreamly small in a big sea of users. Now, they might release a beta phone for the community and devs to helping them to create a ecosystem of some sort and move to a thin screen phone to compete for market shares.

I hope for a keyboard device in any state. But a keyboard version means more advanced construction if we are talking quality hardware.

I still don't belive a keyboard version UNTIL I sees it :)