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I use ES File Explorer and it has access up to root. It just opens up showing sdcard/

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@wred_e
There is a native one(alpha!). Discovered by @bundyo
Read more here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1393678
Install:

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That would be me. Funny to see my photo here. :D

"Back" buttones takes you back to the launcher if you open the launcher first from Sailfish, and then apps from the launcher. Also, you can go back to the launcher with "switch app" button or whatever is called (never used android before).

Haha yeah :D Black picture with one colour makes pretty nice ambience.

About the launcher, it is GO Launcher EX
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....go.launcherex

Works flawlessly. I removed all the useless crap and ended up with only one page to launch the apps from. At the moment, while native apps are lacking, I'm spending 90% of my time inside the android emulator and just go back to Sailfish to make calls, check time, check calendar etc.

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Thanks. I missed that post.

Good news.

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Third party software and originally written for N9/N950.

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But the actual microSD card is in another location and apparently apps can't access it :( Or at least I can't find it with any Android app.

Had to restart my phone today, wifi and 3g stopped working. Also, is it just me or does facebook and twitter never update on their own? Only if you manually press update?

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That is because Jolla uses systemd convention to mount auxiliary storage devices to "logged in" user's /run/user directory (in this case /run/user/100000) and that directory is protected from other user's on the system. Sailfish processes and apps run under nemo user (uid 100000) and Android apps run as another users (no usernames on /etc/passwd).

/run is "virtual" filesystem (tmpfs) so it doesn't survive booting. You can try to give other users access the nemo's /run/user directory but it needs to be done again after boot or put in the system's startup scripts. This might have some negative security effects.

More safe way might be this:

devel-su
mkdir /home/nemo/sdcard
mount -o bind /run/user/100000/media/sdcard /home/nemo/sdcard

After that SD card is available as /home/nemo/sdcard for all apps including Android. This needs also to be done again after booting. This seems to work. I tested it with FBReader's Android version.

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Which touchscreen device is really usable with one hand?
certainly not any one with a larger 4 inch display (try to reach the upper left corner of the screen with your right thumb - it's not something you even try getting used to).
And you did say *fully* usable with one hand, right?
I see that working only as long as neither typing nor browsing is involved. pinch-to-zoom with just one hand? please show me! :rolleyes: How many people do you ever see typing with one hand (i.e. the same hand they are holding the device with)?
Be honest: If your messages are longer than one phrase, you usually bother to employ the second hand as well, or postpone the typing to a situation where you have both hands available: true or false?
To me, completely one-handed usage of phones died with touchscreens (maybe due to the fact that my first touchscreen device was a N900 - but my next one, C7, is in no way better suited)...

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Haven't noticed anything else than "Clear private data" in Browser's settings.

When web page wants an access to GPS Browser app asks permission from the user.

Can't find any edit functionality in Gallery app.

Edit: in Camera app, but Gallery app has. See later post by Rauha.

Brightness level
Brightness: Adjust automatically
Vibration for sounds
Touch screen vibration

No UI for font size settings.

Pulley menus are useable without seeing the screen if you remember the choices and their order for that screen/view/app.

Tapping downloaded tar.gz didn't open it.

On Terminal app you can find tar, gzip, bzip2 and unzip. There's no unrar or rar.

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Just my 2 cents. WIth a swype-like keyboard, which I use on my N9, I can easily type one handed even very long messages. Not as easy for all the other possible use cases though.

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I could not live without swype. On my n9 my thumb has learnt the positions so I can swype type without looking at the screen

PIM syncing
 

Right now, my N900 is in a coma, I'm stuck with my substitute Nokia C7 until my Jolla arrives.
Now my C7 syncs its calendar with Google via Exchange Active Sync. That works only via a paid third-party service, Nuevasync.
And that is the only way I can sync my C7 with anything non-Microsoft powered.
Why? Because the last Symbian supports but two syncing protocols: a proprietary one (MfE) and an open, but outdated one (SyncML) that nobody supports anymore (e.g. Google dropped it January this year).
Why am I talking about this here? Because as far as i can tell (please correct me if you know better), right now Sailfish has that very same situation as in abandoned old Symbian - except I don't even know if SyncML is there.
We have to rely now on some android app working to fill the gap....

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I'll try to answer some of your questions that don't appear to have been answered yet.


Default stuff seems to be very concistent.

Huge inconsistency issue with Android apps and with the fact that at the moment the platform is essentially dependent on Android apps.

Browser doens't seem have any privacy settings. Its very bare to bone feature wise anyway.

There is a setting on that allows you to allow or deny location data for apps. No idea whetever it applies also to android apps also.

Currently there's only two edit options: 1. Rotate 2. Crop/change aspect ratio.

Rortating is easy to get back to by re-rerotating back to original state. There appears to be no option to cancel cropping, nor do I see any save options.

By the way, creating theme/ambience from pictures is easy, fast and (at least for me ) addictive.


No font or contrast options. Otherwise yes to your other questions.




Device works fine without OH, altough battery might drop out if your turn it screen side up without an attached OH (haven't tried).

Not sure what your other question means. Attaching OH activates automaticly the theme set for that other half. There's a message sound that plays when you attach an OH to signal that it has been detected. You are free to edit and change the theme settings for the other half. You can also use the ambiences installed by other halfs when that other half is not connected.

The only exception to these I've found so far is the unique ring and message tones in the first wave preorder OH. It overrides the default Jolla ringrones and makes the ring tones unique to it play, even if you set the phone play default Sailfish ringtones. And those sound aren't availeable when that particular OH is not connected (but the 'graphical parts' that OH ambiance are availeable even when it is not connected).

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The size of the display isn't the limitation, the angle of the diagonal is - size ratio if I want to over-simplify it. In my latter years as a device reviewer (BargainPDA, Brighthand, Nokia Blogger Program, etc.) that was one those ergonomic criteria points I used to evaluate. I'm weird... and have QA, accessibility, and usability experience beyond designing for the screen.

Yes.

Actually, on my N9, I do a lot of zooming (in and out) with just one finger. Part of the base-ability of multi-touch implementations is to act just like that. Pinch-zooming is for focused zoomming.

In terms of people whom I see typing with one hand, more than 60% if I want to be honest. I watch people and their mobiles about as much as Jan Chipchase and other design researchers. I tend to be very interested in the mobiles that women use - paying very much attention to using mobiles while shopping, handling children, etc. I've also got a sizable amount of male friends and associates who tend to be larger than average height. They usually find <4.5in screened devices too small to type with larger matt fingers, but small enough to utilize with one hand in a swinging motion after pulling it off of a belt clip.

The two handed folks I see usually have mobiles larger than 5in, or are heavier typers on auto-correct themed devices like the iPhone.

False - when I'm counting just my usage. I type with one hand only on the N9 using swype (and even those off times when I grab 'P' and switch to the regular QWERTY keyboard. Again, I'm weird, and have been typing on various mobiles more than I care to remember at times. The last device that made me use two hands was the N97 - and that was only when I used the QWERTY mode.

True/False - when I'm watching others. Smaller handed folks seem to want to default to two hands and leaning against something when text sessions get larger. But, that's also how current auto-correct QWERTY solutions are designed. BB10 is a better designed 1-handed solution, but for those folks (aside from Gerbick) usually have had the Q10 - which has the hardware keyboard.

You didn't have the best QWERTY (ergonomically) as your first touchscreen device - not a pure opinion either, the N97, while designed similar, was tweaked for better typing - the N900 was designed for writing code not sentences. You didn't have a device that was designed to be used in portrait for composition in that device either. The C7 was better, but by that point, I'd assume you were a bit more skewed towards QWERTY as a basis for typing than you were T9. That's just an assumption. Such a device move usually speaks of aquesing to the state of the market and budget, not necessarily getting the best solution available. Not meant as a slight, but I also know a good deal about the psychology of mobile usage patterns. Its part of what I do for my own mobile efforts.


Does that kind of observational ability help determine some of why I make the statements I do?

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Thanks for your answers. Appreciated, and I'm sure that some others will find gems in them as well.

My question looks at the ability of TOH to be truly unique. If the device is completely operable without TOH being engaged, then the position Jolla makes for accessory makers is harder to say "this differentiation makes you money too."

Now, if it is usable, and there's something diminished about the quality of the platform, we might have something there. Depends on what's missing though. If its just sounds and artwork, then TOH didn't push far enough (in this iteration). Not a bad thing, just one of those things that folks trying to determine if #unlike is #unique want to understand.

Also, such a play means that all those 3D printing folks better hurry up and get busy. At least, do something now, so that TOH enhanced accessories become the 2nd/halo market.

Thanks again for your responses. I very much appreciate them. Hopefully, Jolla's devs and leadership do as well.

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They've explained many times that they intend to do more than just NFC triggered themes/sw_autoruns.
We're waiting on the doco/API for that, so that the I2C interface & related components can be utilised...
They've already leaked some info. (which has helped some preliminary TOH projects), but obviously there's still more to come.

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The current halfs are basically just for giving the phone different physical look/colour and for installing the ambience related to that OH. In other words: overglorifield alternative covers.

I don't really see that as a weakness, or at least an unexpected weakness. They'll need to sell tons of more units before any commercial operator would begin to make other halfs that would truly take advantage of the possibilities offered by the concept.

But yeah, as you say, 3D printers have lots of options. I would be happy just by having a camera tripod OH that would be dumb (dumb = no fancy data connection).

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That's interesting. If you view the photo from the Camera app there isn't Edit option but if you do it from Gallery app there it is. Otherwise the apps behave so similary when watching photos that I though there are no differences but there actually are :)

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And it would nice to have those edit options when looking at pics from the camera app.

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Please name the app and I can test it. Should work, mapquest found my location so looks like GPS is covered by android compatibility (found exact location so I hope it wasn't based on wifi availability), though this app doesn't seem to have offline option or voice navigation, but since voice/sound is working I assume this will work too

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Apparently Android apps can't access the camera? I tried a QR code reader but no luck.

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I will be porting Rockwatch, but I can't really do much until my phone arrives as most of the infrastructure it has to interface with isn't available in the emulator. (Also, it'll probably only be available through unofficial channels for a while since Python apps aren't officially supported through the store yet).

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I noticed that 'The First One' cover that installs the 'exclusive' ambience has also its own ringtones, but:
1) I haven't found a place in the UI that lists them
2) they are probably for exclusive use of that ambience, as they are installed under the ambience folder name (/usr/share/ambience/ambience-the-first-one)

It's a pity, because it seems like the cover changes only the screen background and doesn't let you know the additional properties of the ambience.

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FWIW, I used my N9 with just one hand all the time, including typing. That is one of the reasons why I like/d it so much. Browsing in landscape mode was the only exception. Using Jolla with one hand is not quite as easy, but I still comfortably use it and type with one hand. Closing applications takes a bit of stretching and is probably the biggest difference between Jolla and N9 in terms of ergonomics. I feel that if the lower bezel was just a bit smaller it would help the situation a lot.

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Does anybody knows how the Android apps are getting their network connection?
I have a panasonic camera which can be contolled with an adroid app called "panasonic image app". On my N900 that works like charm with Nitdroid.
On my new Jolla the app doesn't find any wifi signals.

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Oh an next question:
Is there really just one speaker and no stereo, or is there something wrong with my jolla. At the bottom it looks like there are two speakers but only on the opening on left side there is sound.

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Yes, there is only one. The other speaker grill is just a design feature (or there is the microphone behind it perhaps).
There's nothing wrong with your Jolla.

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Some info from @Stezz about coming updates:

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It seems that Jolla doesn't support AC3 (Dolby Digital). I can see the file on Media player but it cannot play it. I don't think this is a significant loss but in case somebody is interested to know.

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Speaking of audio, is AMR-WB, aka "HD Audio" supported for phone calls? Even though it has been co-developed by Nokia, the N9 didn't support it.

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And next question:
has anybody got problems setting up mail accounts?
I've set up two of them one works well, but with the other one it'S not possible to send mails. Both accounts are hosted on the same server. The only difference is that the not working one has a from the mailadress differing username.

Also I have no Idea how to send mails which are in the drafts folder.

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The sony qx-10 app "Play memories" connects over wifi but no image from the camera is displayed onscreen. In other words, it gets 99% of the way there, then fails

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See discussion ending to this post:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...68#post1396068

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Thanks! haven't seen that, post. :o

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Has anyone succeeded in adding aliases to the bash? I'm trying to assign some personal aliases to the terminal but even if I've added definitions to the ~/home/nemo/.bashrc and .bash_profile they are not recognized.

I'm also unable to get rid of old Facebook notifications, and the phone pops them up continuously even if I check and dismiss them after that.

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Well I can't get facebook connection working at all.. :D

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I had to add FB account two times before it stayed. Also now noticed that for some reason, the album art of songs in .m4a format downloaded from iTunes store are not shown. For all other songs in .mp3 format are.

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I got my FB working too by adding it like 3 times, but I wont get any feeds. Do you?

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Well as I mentioned earlier, I'm getting notifications - including the old ones I've checked long time ago. And they persist so that I can't get rid of them. It always shows 4 notifications (at the moment) and is growing as I get more.

But native Facebook is not implemented yet so I'm using the browser facebook for now.

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I must say I have already huge respect for theyr work! They already has give one update+SDKupdate+shipping and if they get the second before NY it probadly will be comming week because then its christmas/newyear...