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That's somewhat application-dependent since the browser for example freely rotates to any direction except inverted portrait...

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Also e-mail -client does this. Landscape both ways but portrait only "right side up".

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Got my TOHKBD today. Bought from a nice UK TMOer :D A big thank to him and of course, Dirk and Andrew and Kimmo.

http://www.liangchenchen.com/wp-cont...813_123736.jpg

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SW installed automatically and written well. I found a problem and wondering if it's only me or general -

I found certain keys requires more pressure than others. As sometimes I already hear/feel the "click" but the keyboard did not recognise the input, I have to press harder to make it work. So even if my finger feels the "click" it doesn't necessary mean you typed that letter. Which makes quite frustrated while typing quickly, as I missed a lot letters.

Wondering anyone else having the same problem or it's just me? Will there be any method to make it softer or more sensitive on pressure?

BTW, is it possible to buy the files for 3D printing case to I can re-print outer shell using ABS? :)

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Insensitive keys improve with time, but there are some tricks (not necessarily endorsed by the makers) here:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...sponsive-keys/

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Dirk posted the link here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1700

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Yes, others do have the same problem (among other problems), but it's an unwritten rule not to talk about it. If you really must get it out of your system, then the usual preferred way of mentioning it is:

;)

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Haha I get it. But how can a keyboard be awesome while not all the keys work? ;) By looking?

Luckily the link shared above contains some fix, I will try using the method mentioned see if it works...

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Worked for me - I had one key that almost literally wouldn't register. Poked it around a bit, pressed it a few hundred times, now it works fine.

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@chenliangchen, @MikeHG
I can confirm that using the keys actually betters the response a lot.
Using the KB since ~4 weeks, the 'w' had issues until yesterday :D
So, expect improvement over time!
look, it wwwwwwworks nowwwwwww ;)

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First rule of TOHKBD2 non working keys is: you do not talk about TOHKBD2 non working keys.

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No, instead what you do, is you actively try to use them :D
(but love the fightclub reference, though...)

As it happens I got one stuck key in the beginning, but it fixed itself in a day.
I was also worried a bit when I had my Ö-key askew but that turned to be fixable with some advice from @dirkvl :)

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the second rule of TOHKBD2: you do not talk about - oh hang on...
*reads the rules again*

right yeah, the second rule of TOHKBD2: No smoking.

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my "t" is sttttttttill notttttttttt working with ttttttttttthe "click", pressing like mad now. Hope can softttten it and make ittt work soon! :D

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Note that this method is not endorsed by Dirk or Andrew or Kimmoli as far as I know.

Use completely at your own risk!!!!

You can take the backplate off the keyboard either by gently heating it with a hair dryer or by magnetising it to the bottom of a pot of boiled water, and holding the pot up so as to not press the backplate into the keyboard for a stronger bond. Do not apply direct heat to the pot or the keyboard, just let the heat from the water warm up the keyboard.

Once you have pealed the backplate off, likely by wedging it off the keyboard by using a bank card, you need to gently get the top edge of the circuit board out from the grove in the casing that it sits in. Once you have done that, you can gently push the three Y-shaped structural elements from the casing (quite an ingenious design, I would say!) into the keyboard to free the circuit board up and out of the casing. The keys of the keyboard are held in place with some tabs, and will carefully slide out if you press the keys gently into the keyboard (like 0.5 of a milimeter or so, just so that it clears the edges of the casing), and then gently slide it up (away from you if you were to be holding the keyboard and typing on it), under the casing.

The keys that are not reactive enough will correspond to silver-colours buttons on the circuit board. If you place a small piece of clear packing tape (about 2 mm x 2 mm) onto the button, you can increase the length of your key press, and thus the key should be more reactive. You may find you might need two layers of tape in some cases. It is recommended that after each piece of tape is placed, the keyboard be reassembled (without the backplate, of course), and the key sensitivity tested for all keys. Type something like "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" a few times to test all of the letter keys if you find it boring to type out the alphabet in order.

When you are happy with your results, reassemble the keyboard, glue the backplate back on by reheating the glue and pressing it back onto the keyboard, and your typing experience should be improved.

Again, this method is completely at your own risk!



On an unrelated note, does anyone know what glue was initially used for gluing the backplate onto the board?



EDIT: Fixed the pangram from "jumped" to "jumps", as suggested by ssahla on together.jolla.com.

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@oenone Thank you for the detailed instruction. I was intended to do a disassembly and your info confirms it. I'm waiting for my paint spray to arrive so I can paint 3D printed case as well as fixing keyboards. ;)

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Kimmoli [feature request]:
It would be great if you include an option to 'beep' or 'flash led' on every key stroke. When I'm "devel-suing" in FingerTerm, I fail 4 out of every 5 times because devel-su doesn't show asterisks when typing a password.

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I am just back from vacation and was very pleased to have a tohkbd waiting from me :)
Working ok even if this is a bit hard to type but I expect that will get smoother with time
One little question: am I blind or there is no '@' on the azerty kbd?

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[crossout]Between right SHIFT and right FUNCTION.[/crossout]

Sorry, didn't read "azerty". I'm blind too.

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Was trying to call up a 3D printing service, but there seems no length, width and height dimensions in these STL file? I can't see it myself as well. Maybe I'm wrong, but is there any method to get the dimensions of unit in mm?


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Update: Thanks Jarnose I have successfully placed order on shapeways. Now just waiting for the delivery.

PS: Almost ordered a matte black steel version, I realised magnetic won't work before placing order. :D

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I sent those stl files to shapeways, and got a perfect case

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You're not blind, the @ is not engraved on the Azerty rev. 2 (but it's still better than rev. 1).

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- All single orders have been sent
- All double orders I have emailed to check if they got the second keyboard also
- DIY people got a second set because of changes in pcb and keypad
- 12 repairs left to do now, probably more on their way



nearing the end of the project! :) separate parts for sale will go online soon (tm)

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Got mine #643. Amazing piece of hardware. THANKS for all the hard work :D

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Thanks oenone! For completeness I have added this remedy to the thread on How to fix less responsive keys over at TJC.

"Let's talk about it!" :)

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is there anyone who still didnt get yours TOHKBD ???
my order is #461, send with postNL on 31.07. to my country of destination, and still is in transit, on tracking status :(

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first off all and again: thanks to dirk and kimmoli for this amazing piece of hardware.
secondly, and hopfully not too demanding i'm just wondering, if there could or will ever be a extension to the tohkbd for a snes or other emulators for example.
i would totally love to attach a gamepad backplate to my tohkbd in case the trainjourney gets boring....
:D
would be lovely like the tohkbd itself..

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Me.
It was written 'sent to country of destination' on August 24th.
Based on https://www.internationalparceltrack...t.aspx#/search estimation transit time to my country is 6-10 days working days.
So I'm still waiting for it.

Don't know about your country.
How long the estimation transit time written there?

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its about 15 days, but from 31 july until today, thats month :(

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Same here. Waiting for #1084 in France. Transit time is supposed to be 2~3 days.

I admit that I'm beginning to be a bit worried :-(

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This is not related to us TOHKBDers, but bluetooth keyboards. Or is it?

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i believe general, but pushed through faster for tohkbd

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Mine seems to have stopped working. Had gradual increases in 'keyboard removed' and the lights going out over a couple of weeks. Now the keyboard never connects on either side. Am I the first?

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I want to sell my TOHKBD with just some day of use, the configuration is cover and keyboard mint, backplate carbon black. QWERTY. PM me if interested!

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Hmm, I'm starting to get similar problems.
It's still working most of the time, and when it disconnects, I can just detach and reattach the KBD and it works again.
I hope it won't get worse after some time...

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I experience increasing "keyboard removed/keyboard connected" frenzy moments too, though I don't get exactly yet if it's a hardware or software issue.

Speaking of software, can you confirm Kimmoli that the keyboard returning to QWERTY (or Scandic, not sure) layout after some time is a known bug? Every time my Jolla is sleeping for, let's say, a few hours, my keyboard is back to QWERTsomething layout, instead of AZERTY. I have to set it back to AZERTY again in the tohkbd application. Of note, AZERTY is still displayed in the application as the active layout, but it is not, and re-enabling it solves the issue.

I've had this issue since the first day, but thought it was already a known bug and a fix was coming, but now I'm starting to doubt it is so well known. It can be really annoying to go through the application everytime I want to use my keyboard for just a quick SMS answer or Internet browsing. Enough to make me use the touch keyboard sometimes, or the tohkbd in the wrong layout.

Apart from that, still happy with it, though I have trouble typing on it without looking at it. Muscle memory takes more time with this one than with the N900 I'd say. :) Very happy with the magnetic back too, I've made a handy car holder with just a couple of metal plates I bended. Ugly but very convenient. :)

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Congratulations!
Awesome fresh article from Keywan Tonekaboni about "making of" today in german (print) c't-magazine, short version here.
Report is in german only.

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I get this too (doesn't everyone?) - I put it down to the 4g sensitivity issue Kimmo announced.

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Past week, while on a journey (Murphy Laws Seal of Approval), my TOHKBD2 started to suffer the "keyboard connected/keyboard removed" issue.

I removed and attached the TOH part several times and it's working fine now. I bet it's related to the I2C physical connection, since I saw lots of messages about that into DMESG log.

Luckily, that TOH is one of the few parts in my Jolla that can be replaced :D (thanks to 3D printers).

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Anyone tried wiping the contacts (both between the keyboard and the other half, and between the other half and the mobile device) with a clean lint-free alcohol-soaked cloth?

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Yep I did try cleaning the contacts, but as both sides stoppef working at the same time, I don't think it's that. I'd also put it down to 4g interference until I was in the states, which is 2g only for the Jolla. Then it completely stopped working about a week after I got back.