Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

From my experience my N8 was in many cases the last device that has been able to read the content of cards which have been refused by my other devices ... it seems not to be picky at all ;-) maybe I should keep it as a rescue card reader ...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Ok, I googled a bit and installed PuTTY on Windows. I enabled develper mode and remote connection and I connected successfully as "nemo".

Entering "mount" brings a lot of stuff... Perhaps the last line could be interesting:
/dev/fuse on /opt/alien/storage/sdcard0 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=100000,group_id= 100000,default_permissions,allow_other)

Entering "systemctl" brings again a lot of stuff. The expression "sd-mount@mmcblk1p1.service" is not in it, so I assume the service is not running.

Tomorrow I will figure out how to "mount something as root". Now I'm going to bed. Thanks for the help!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

So I did not want to judge too early but now I am sure this port has important issues for daily usage.
-Well i know there are some who does not want to use AD at all but come on, there is no proper native browser that i can trust 90% of the time. For me, lots of crashes happen with jolla browser and it is the key of the whole experience i think. The issue is not present with any other native app.
- Sim card settings (3g/4g setting etc.) is reset after reboot
- Again the native browser usually cannot connect after switching wifi/mobile internet on/off
- Email client is not usable. Going back to inbox takes like 5 seconds.
- Saved wifi or mobile connection is not used automatically, there is no setting for this either.
- I have not used the camera much.
- Vpn, gps are working
- No setting to change default apps are present

In short, the experience is way back than N9. If whatsapp was available I would not think a second to go back. As a regular user I think selling such unfinished software for such pprice will be just bad advertisement for jolla. So far I had not gotten a chance to use an official device and i was really considering not activating AD at all based on the comments here on TMO. But come on, it is what saves the day.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I've posted the APN settings fix:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=93

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I don't understand specific use-case gripes. If you rely on a feature that much, perhaps an experimental platform isn't for you, in general?

That said, this is the first release. It works. There are (admittedly minor) issues to iron out, and the community has posted many fixes (myself included) for these annoyances and issues, and it'll only improve. That's what the support schedule is for. Jolla knows if they don't make good on this one, that's going to pretty much sink the ship.

If there are issues, file bug reports. Ask the community. Contribute and improve.

For one? I'm perfectly happy with Sailfish X as my daily driver, simply because I wanted to be free of the Apple/Google duopoly and spying paradigm. I paid for it for the support schedule, and to help Jolla move forward because I appreciate what they do.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Believe it or not everybody here is here because of the same reason.
What I am disappointed is if this was gonna be a beta process, then why there was a strictly closed cbeta group? If Jolla would call this beta I would happily do whatever you said to improve the current situation. If they are doing a closed beta, and after sometime selling this product without mentioning/solving the problems a user will face during daily use, then I am sorry but Jolla does not deserve to be both paid and helped. We all want a strong company that properly communicates with its supporters but Jolla has not changed over the years.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

This is the very first public release for a very new (to Sailfish) device. It has been three days. Provide feedback, and I'm certain it'll be addressed.

Most of your points of contention have already been addressed in community fixes.

Moreover, they mentioned that you might face problems, that some features aren't ready for prime time yet. They mention this in the blog post and the official sales start post.

What you paid for are the fees for the licensed software like Exchange support, XT9 and Alien dalvik, and you get a year of support on top of it.

As I said before, if you rely that heavily on a few very specific features, then maybe a community-driven alternative OS that's a few days old in public release just isn't for you.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Guys. changed my mind and bought this to try to help to speed up the refund process.

hope to see october refund this coming week.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I always thought that behind refundman lies a big soul. :)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Good for you Dave :)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

OK here's my review after some testing:

Unlocking the bootloader and flashing Sailfish worked flawlessly after I struggled a little bit with the two different boot modes of the Xperia. The new message booting the device that the bootloader is unlocked is really annoying.

I inserted the SD card from my Jolla 1 and restored the backup with no problems.

The UI response is fast and multitasking many programs is clearly better now thanks to the 3GB RAM.

I tested Bluetooth with lots of different units and profiles. The only device I found not working was my car don't play music with A2DP.
Interestingly HFP works. But this problem I also got with the latest firmware versions of the Jolla 1.
WLAN on both bands work but using static networks the first time fails to connect. But again the Jolla 1 has similar problems.

Telephony functions like voice calls, SMS, MMS, and 4G work out of the box. Only tethering is not working as expected.
The build in browser is fast enough for me but here's surly some room for improvement.

Alien Dalvik seems to have a little better compatibility compared to Jolla 1. I successfully used some programs which have flaws on the old Jolla like a new Here map.

As for many people the camera seem to be an important feature I took a walk and some photos:

http://www.sbock.net/upload/Sailfish Picture 1.jpg
http://www.sbock.net/upload/Sailfish Picture 2.jpg
http://www.sbock.net/upload/Sailfish Picture 3.jpg
http://www.sbock.net/upload/Sailfish Picture 4.jpg

Too bad the sky was very overcast but personally I'm quite pleased with the result. Clearly extremely better than Jolla 1 but of course this is no real achievement ;-)


TL;DR: I'm happy with the hardware and the current state of the software. Good job Jolla team!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Okay, so we've excluded a "fake" card.

Oops, sorry. As you're playing around with a slightly beta OS, and using parted I kind of assumed you were fluent in linux.
Sorry, my bad !

The thing that interests me is something like :

/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/sdcard/<some long hexdecimal string> type ext4


(an easy way would be to pipe, to connect to another command like grep that can filter : "mount | grep mmc")

That would be a sign that at least the system is trying to mount it.

In linux, devices on the SD/MMC bus tend to show as /dev/mmcblk<n>
where n is the device.
On sailfish device, mmcblk0 is the embed flash "eMMC" that contains the system (the 32 GB of the Xperia X), and mmcblk1 is the microSDHC / microSDXC card.
mmcblk1p1 is the device as which the first partition (p1) shows up.

For some weird reason, the service in charge of automatically starting the mount didn't start.
(On Sailfish X, sd-mount is the service in charge of mounting stuff plugged in)

("systemctl | grep mmc" can help to filter)

First something, extremely useful : in bash (the shell on which you're typing commands) "tab" key auto-completes. (or if there are more choice, advances to the point where there are more choices, and the next tab displays you a list of possible commands). That's really useful, because paths like "/dev/mmcblk1p1" would otherwise be easy to mistype.

"devel-su" : sailfish x specific way to as root. It will ask your password (again), and the the prompt will change from 'nemo' (the default user) to 'root' (the admin).

then :
"mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt/sdcard/"

check for any error message.
check also the system log : still as root, "journalctl --since '5 min ago' "

other useful stuff (all need root, because all need direct access to the blocks on the device) :

"blkid /dev/mmcblk1"
gives info about what it detects on the raw card (should detect your partition table)

"blkid /dev/mmcblk1p1"
tries to detect the 1st partition

"lsblk" (list all the known block device) or "lsblk /dev/mmcblk1" (only the partitions on your card).

"fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk1p1".

Whenever a command displays an error message instead of what you would expect, remember to peak in journalctl (still as root)



journalctl and systemctl use a list display mode similar to "less" when they have a giant list that goes beyond the content of your screen.
You can scroll and pageup/down, and the "/" key brings a search box.
you can type "/mmc"+enter to search for the first occurence of the string, then "n" or "N" to go to next / and previous match.

another possibility is to open a second putty session and have
again as root ("devel-su") "journalctl --follow" running an constantly display new log message as they come by.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Small possible hack, if actually you hate Sailfish X that much and long for your N900 that much :
Run WhatsApp on alien-dalvik on the Xperia.
On the N900, browse to web.whatsapp.com
Follow the onscreen instruction to connect your N900's browser to the WhatsApp running on you Xperia.

Voila, you have WhatsApp on your N900 (keep the Xperia plugged in the charger, though : web.whatsapp.com needs constant connection to WhatsApp and the Xperia going to deep sleep would break the connection).

For a video tutorial look for "how too hack your boyfriend/girlfriend whatsapp" on youtube there are dozens of videos (WTF, internet ? Is stalking your significant other to check if they cheat the only use you've found with that function ? What's wrong with you, internet ?)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Ouch, I almost got hit by a low flying pig...

...almost.

(So basically, you're giving money to Jolla so they can give you your money ? :-P )

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Thanks for all the insult.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Good idea ;) My N8 serves that purpouse and once rescued a card that was not even formatable on my main linux machine :D
But yeah, i guess Nokia employed a Jolla size team only for that feature on symbian back then...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Yes, to me and others.

Installation went pretty easy but the guide was terrible :D

Played around with it and it’s like going back 3 years in time. Coming from top notch android and iOS hw and software. Most of the things in OS works, but not as users expects. Bluetooth works for me, but auto connect and interaction with headsets don’t.

Browser scrolling is like bad as always on long pages as Jolla blog.

Sony hw is OK. But screen and interaction with it, mostly browser is very bad. Cam is not great either.

That said all these things was expected since I have a jPhone 1. And compared to that. This is much smoother.

Most of my usecases takes much more to execute with sailfish and too many is simply not available as a services.

But in the end, it’s better than nothing. :D I will use it during the day and see what is working on this tiny screen.

Anyone knows if the led is working with calls, mails, messages?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Had run both (community and official) about equal period (24 hours) as a main phone (can't use SailfishX in everyday use yet, as I need internet connection sharing through wifi) and the result is similar to yours.
When wifi was used with community port, the battery charge decreased quite quicly, but using 4G connection the battery life was really good.
When official build was used, then leaving it overnight (4G on, 8 hours) the charge went down from 13% to 4% and after the alarm sounded, it was 3%.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Don't get my wrong : the "WTF Internet ?!" insulting part was toward the youtubers' obsession with stalking significant others on ground of paranoia.
Definitely not to you.

I think you have every right to hate Sailfish X personnally (every one has different tastest) and if indeed WhatsApp is the only thing holding you back from going back to your previous smartphone, the web.whatsapp.com webapp looks like a valid solution to me.
(It was initially geared toward desktop users to address the lack of native desktop clients, but could adresse any machine with no native client and a decent browser).

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Small question for a precision :
- With Alien-Dalvik turned on, or not ?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Thanks for the crash course in Linux, DrYak. I would love to get this running (I can't stay forever with my N8), so this is the time to learn some Linux... Did I mention that an old 1GB microsd was recognized correctly by Sailfish?

Entering "mount" brings nothing with "/dev/mmcblk1"

Entering "[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ mount | grep mmc" brings:
/dev/mmcblk0p13 on /dsp type ext4 (ro,nosuid,nodev,noatime,data=ordered)
/dev/mmcblk0p25 on /persist type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,nodelalloc,errors=panic, data=ordered)
/dev/mmcblk0p3 on /firmware type vfat (ro,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0337,dmask=02 27,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=lower,errors=remount-ro)
/dev/mmcblk0p28 on /odm type ext4 (ro,relatime,data=ordered)
/dev/mmcblk0p52 on /fimage type ext4 (rw,noatime,data=ordered)
/dev/mmcblk0p28 on /opt/alien/odm type ext4 (ro,relatime,data=ordered)

Entering "[root@Sailfish nemo]# mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt/sdcard/" brings:
mount: mount point /mnt/sdcard/ does not exist

Entering "blkid /dev/mmcblk1" => Nothing happens:
[root@Sailfish nemo]# blkid /dev/mmcblk1
[root@Sailfish nemo]#

Entering "[root@Sailfish nemo]# lsblk /dev/mmcblk1" brings:
lsblk: /dev/mmcblk1: not a block device

Entering ""journalctl --since '5 min ago' " brings still a lot, somehow the following sticks out:
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: msm_tlmm_show_gp_irq_resume: 711 triggered bcmsdh_sdmmc
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: Suspended for 0.000 seconds
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: Enabling non-boot CPUs ...
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: CPU2 is up
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: CPU3 is up
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: CPU4 is up
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: PM: noirq resume of devices complete after 1.135 msecs
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: PM: early resume of devices complete after 1.893 msecs
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: as3668 6-0042: Resuming AS3668
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: PM: resume of devices complete after 45.061 msecs
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish systemd[1]: Time has been changed
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: Restarting tasks ... done.
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: Resume caused by IRQ 240, 1000000.pinctrl
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: Resume caused by IRQ 203, 601d0.qcom,mpm
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: Resume caused by IRQ 200, qcom,smd-rpm
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: Resume caused by IRQ 711, bcmsdh_sdmmc
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish kernel: PM: suspend exit 2017-10-14 11:14:25.350663413 UTC
Oct 14 13:14:25 Sailfish systemd[2625]: Time has been changed
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: PM: suspend entry 2017-10-14 11:14:26.173297710 UTC
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: PM: Syncing filesystems ... done.
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: Freezing user space processes ... (elapsed 0.004 seconds) done.
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: Freezing remaining freezable tasks ... (elapsed 0.004 seconds) done.
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: Suspending console(s) (use no_console_suspend to debug)
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: as3668 6-0042: Suspending AS3668
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: PM: suspend of devices complete after 16.725 msecs
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: PM: late suspend of devices complete after 1.941 msecs
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: PM: noirq suspend of devices complete after 4.017 msecs
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: Disabling non-boot CPUs ...
Oct 14 13:14:26 Sailfish kernel: msm_tlmm_show_gp_irq_resume: 711 triggered bcmsdh_sdmmc

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

No Alien Dalvik in community port and not installed in release.

Actually the only thing I installed from the paid apps was predictive text input, but that probably don't work with Estonian language anyway...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

jolla dont even have a proper stock application to mangage portfolios. How can anyone use this? ;)

stop all os-development and start building usefull services.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I won't be using it as daily driver just yet but I must say it feel great on the Xperia X, that screen just makes everything look so much better. I don't think their far off from having it working well on, but I can wait and I think after 1 update it should be good to go :)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I will use it as a daily driver even if it’s 45 things it can’t handle. You have to plan your day since you can’t do it on the go.

Will this follow the same updates as jPhone1

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

So i went with formatting the 128gb microsd card as UDF and its working great on the Xperia X (with caveats). The Xperia recognized all of it, and i can plug the phone in to windows 10 MTP and copy my FLAC files. I use QuasarMX to play them, as it allows you to choose the directory to scan for. Camera can also save photos to SD as well.

The caveats are that the stock Sailfish Media and Gallery apps aren't seeing the card, but i wonder if its just because i need to tweak which dirs the tracker scans. Haven't figured that out yet.

Thanks again DrYak for the idea about UDF. There seems to be little discusion about using UDF and Sailfish, but so far its working well for me.

For those interested, i ran a simple format command with admin rights on Windows 10 cmd prompt (where my microsd was drive F: ) :

format F: /fs:UDF

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=ws.11).aspx

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

anyway to inincrease font size in browser like in terminal app? TMO is really hard to read or even tytyptypetype.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Hello sailors
Someone could buy the official image xperia X without having a credit card :confused:

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

No guarantees but everywhere I've tried that says 'credit card' has taken my standard bank 'debit card' which is also a visa. Sure there's no insurance but it's a digital purchase from a trusted company so I would try it.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Just installed Sailfish X and it was smooth. No problems when i used internet and email. Also installed whatsapp, skype and linphone from Yalp / Play store. Could not try whatsapp since I was too lazy to get my sim card from downstairs but probably will play more tomorrow. Will definately be my daily driver and cannot understand why not since all seems to work.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Hi all, I'm happy that I've found a way to not format my SD card as it is in exfat format, i found this information to make it reconize by Sailfish and automount after reboot.
Install this first https://openrepos.net/content/bloodyfoxy/exfat-utils
An then this
https://openrepos.net/content/bloodyfoxy/fuse-exfat
Then
Make exFAT filesystem on your SD card:
Label SD card:​
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e574085baf.jpg

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

To me the os is prerty much ok. buggy but mostly fine. But music and video service's that I pay for and use is not available. Banking not something usually do with a phone, but still the option is not available. trades are impossible. Browser is a pain to use.

but I do appreciate what jolla trying to do. And after a day with sail X I do appreciate swirching to Androids or iOS for a less painful experiene.

I am happy to hear that you are happy. keep it up!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Well apparently, it wasn't mounted automatically...
(so, definitely not an access rights problem)

(Oops, in sailfish X, /mnt/sdcard doesn't exist anymore.
Just a series of symlinks that point nowhere.
Nothing dramatic, though)

AARGH.
That's a problem : the /dev/mmcblk1 isn't even created ?!?


[QUOTE=almaviva;1536788]
Entering ""journalctl --since '5 min ago' " brings still a lot, /QUOTE]


Though not much about mmc.
As a comparison, here's the sequence on my Xperia X, when I insert a µSDHC (4GB):

And thus:
For me this looks as if your Xperia is completely unable to see the µSDXC card.
Might even be a machanical problem (pocket lint stuck in the slot ? SD card not perfectly aligned in the slot holder ?)

But at this step, the format on the card doesn't even play a role.
The Xperia doesn't even start to talk to it.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Warning : the resulting card is compatible with Linux (obviously, that's what your Xperia runs) and Windows, but not Mac OS X.

Windows MUST have UDF in a partition (the previous exFAT partition that you reformatted)
Mac OS X MUST have UDF *raw* on the flash, starting at block 0 (not WITHIN a partition).

(Linux doesn't give a damn, it works both ways).

If you want the partition to work BOTH on Mac OS X and Windows, you should use a small trick

(There's free room at the beginning of an UDF partition - for booting a BootCD, etc.
Thus you can put the UDF partition at block 0 - so Mac OS X is happy,
and you can use the free space to make a partition that points back to block 0 - so Windows is happy too)


Also, the nice thing : just like F2FS, UDF too is a log-structured filesystem, and thus is nicer to flash media.
(Also like CoW systems such as btrfs and zfs)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Yeah, used to play around with this on my Jolla 1.

I've also compiled similar FUSE-based support for NTRFS (ntrfs-3g) if you need that too (for a USB key over USB OTG ?)


Warning for any USAmerican that comes in a future where Sailfish X is extended outside of Europe :
The above pieces of code (exFAT FUSE drivers) are completely illegal in your country, because of stupid software patent laws in your country.
Sorry for you.
Talk to your representatives.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

So.. I can't travel to US with my Sailfish X because I use a piece of software patented there that I installed illegally, ok... I didn't wanted to go anyway [emoji14]

Enviado desde mi Xperia X corriendo Sailfish OS

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

And here I am, living in the US. LOL. :D

I'll obey the letter of the law until the law is stupid and pointless.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Camera picture quality is far away from original Sony camera app. Color quality is good but pictures are mostly blurred. Quality like Jolla C/Aquafish at the moment. On my Turing Phone pictures are more sharper but the colors were nowhere near as good as on SailfishX.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Yes, for me it looks like a focusing issue here. I am fine with the beta status arguments but this could have been an opportunity for Jolla to make some positive noise in the community, especially when they have a cooperation with Sony.

In the end the camera of the X was one argument to upgrade from a Nexus 5 running Sailfishos and now i have blurry images and the same holds for video recordings when i slightly move around with the device. Pretty sure they need to fix this if it's a common problem. Need to check Jolla Together:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...s-non-optimal/

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

anyway to disable. do you want to save password/ are you really sure you want to logout. really annoying. why do jolla think Im note sure if I want to logout :D

if you haven't brought this hack. Do it today to back the refund. only $250 for phone and $50 for software. Consider one share of Amazon is around $1000 this is a bargain. sell one share and you can even get a nice meal in the deal.