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craftyguy 2010-01-29 18:51

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 
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Originally Posted by russo_br (Post 501420)
The complains must be done directly to Nokia employees who have the authority to give us any definitive answer

I have never been successful in getting anyone than a level 1 (or 2 if I'm lucky) tech support monkey at Nokia. If anyone knows the contact information of someone who matters at this company, please PLEASE post it. It is not good business practice to NOT listen to customers, so I don't think they would mind receiving our feedback...

CoffeeNAS 2010-01-29 18:52

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 
If this is the way it is going to be, I'll just jump ship to a phone with Android or Windows Mobile 7. A great community can only do so much when the parent company more or less disowns their own products like Nokia is doing.

johnel 2010-01-29 18:54

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 
Maybe if we generate enough noise then Nokia will have to listen.

Perhaps if the press, blogs and more importantly majority shareholders were told how we feel then Nokia's policy will have to change.

It is not enough for a company to just sell mobile phones anymore. The market has changed where people expect mobile applications and be able to still use them when they upgrade to a new phone.

The idea of "mothballing" a device that is barely 2 months old is a very short term goal. Nokia should have a long-term strategy and actually grow the mobile applications aspect of the market. The only way to do this is to allow an OS to exist on different devices and keep compatibility a priority.

I'm amazed of the arrogance of a company that thinks by managing bugs in the current version of the OS and then saying they will be fixed in the next version(only available with a new device).

If this is the case there will be no chance I will buy the next maemo device. I strongly suggest other users do the same.

If you buy the next maemo device knowing the way Nokia if behaved so far then more fool you.

attila77 2010-01-29 18:54

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 501233)
Eh?

The G1 got from 1.5-1.6, the only reason it's not going to 2.0 is there isn't space in the boot area..

Now, the question is why is that a good excuse for the G1, while there is a chance that will be exactly the same (speculative) reason the N900 is not getting Maemo 6 ? Or will people suddenly say 'ah ok, flash space, then I'm cool with the N900 not being upgraded' ? There are three things that can kill Maemo 6 on the N900 - NAND/opt/flash space, RAM size and input UI differences. While you can go and argue about UI, RAM and flash size are a given, and there is no point of M6 on the N900 if it sucks because of these two. It would be even worse than the current situation to say 'hey fellas, don't worry, you'll have M6 on N900 !', only for the users to discover after an upgrade from M5 that it works like Vista on an early eeePC.

slux 2010-01-29 18:55

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage (Post 501414)
To those worried about long-term support...then just don't get a N900. It's like linux distros. Do I load Fedora/Unbuntu and get the latest and greatest cutting-edge stuff or go for RedHat Enterprise/Debian Stable for 7-year long-term support? Ya can't have it both ways. In this case, the N900 is the cutting-edge choice.

Sorry but it's not at all like Linux distros. With Linux distros losing support is not at all such a big issue because everybody always has the right to upgrade to the next version, no cash required.

With Linux distros you can still today probably load the latest release of pretty much any one of them on a computer that has a Pentium processor. Some go even further than that...

Still, I guess this upgrade policy Nokia seems to have is a result of being stuck in the era where phones weren't really yet upgradeable and didn't resemble "real" computers. They need to wake up.

I wish Maemo really was more like a Linux distro, that way we'd have no worries about getting the latest. Maybe we won't now either if Mer develops well but who knows...

schettj 2010-01-29 18:56

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 
Jumping ship to WinMo... that's funny!

You do know that you get zero long term support there, right?

casper27 2010-01-29 18:57

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 
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Originally Posted by johnel (Post 501432)
Maybe if we generate enough noise then Nokia will have to listen.

Is that not what our elected council members are for????
Come on guys a bit more noise from the chosen few might make a difference!!

fatalsaint 2010-01-29 18:59

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 501434)
There are three things that can kill Maemo 6 on the N900 - NAND/opt/flash space, RAM size and input UI differences.

I have heard nobody say this is the reason there is no Maemo 6. Also, a repartition of the internal space (considering it comes with a 32gb internal card) would negate this. It might run slower, we won't know till it's there.

So, if they were interested in supporting it, then they simply wouldn't release it in an SSU fashion. They would release it as a complete reflash, which is perfectly acceptable.

And UI input differences I just don't see it.. they can't possibly make such heavy use of multi-touch that it renders the UI unusable without it. That would just be insane.. I mean the phone CURRENTLY is hard enough to use with one hand - if nearly every gesture, including clicking a menu button, required two hands and multiple touches... that would just be sad.

schettj 2010-01-29 19:02

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by slux (Post 501436)
Still, I guess this upgrade policy Nokia seems to have is a result of being stuck in the era where phones weren't really yet upgradeable and didn't resemble "real" computers. They need to wake up.

It's *still* a handset. The lifespan is 18 months. Or less. Much less right now since hardware in this space is changing very quickly, and especially in the maemo + hardware space since both are evolving very quickly.

If you want a (possibly) longer-term supported device, waiting for whatever is after the n900 isn't a bad choice. Like the first iphone was never going to be able to be a 3g device, the n900 isn't ever going to be everything the next device is.

Then again, that's always true. The G1 isn't the Nexus One, nor will it ever be. After 18 months, the G1 is looking pretty dated.

cBeam 2010-01-29 19:05

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 
Whoa, this could turn into a Nokia marketing nightmare pretty soon.

- N900 has bugs and fixes are marked "Maemo 6"
- There is no word from Nokia if N900 will run Maemo 6.
- Nokia announces free turn-by-turn Nav for their S60 and S40 smart-phones
- But Nokia does not mention the N900, just says it's not on the roadmap and N900 users should not hold their breath.
- And there is still no official word from Nokia regarding N900 support, if Maemo 6 will run on it and if so, when.

Does anyone have the phone # of the N900 product manager? It seems to me they need to start to communicate, otherwise we will see a lot of vocal and frustrated N900 users on the tech blogs.

And it's just not necessary. Nokia could do so many things, especially communicate!


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