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He is right here. The WP OS is simply doing things right, especially after the Amber update. That was something that really changed WP in a good way.

On my 1700MAh batter it just did magic. Very hidden magic that is... Because now I have almost 6 days lifetime with 4G 24/24 online.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...93099435_n.jpg

The only frustrating part about WP is that it's so closed that you can't even possibly know or find out how various components are actually working and you can't mod it into something EVEN BETTER.

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Exactly. That's a feature that might appeal to people who just use phones as they come, but for those intrested in the inner workings of the device it just makes them unusable :(

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I was going for quality not quantity :D

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Well this only bothers me because I was used to mod my each and every device, but when I bought my WP phone I just wanted a PHONE that would work no matter what. When it gets broken, to have someone to yell at, that was the general plan, and until now it's doing the job just well. It's working, doing stuff that I don't need to care about (but wish I and find out more about those) and doing it's job: when I need e-mail it's working, when I need whatever it's working.

My idea of a great phone will be the following: Make a closed device for the masses, so they can mess thing up just because they try stuff, and offer the possibility to switch this device into a developer/hacker device. You pay a fee and they give you source and whatever else you need to make this an enjoyable device for developers too. This way you protect the dumb, and give satisfaction to the tech maniacs.

HTC is the only company who have this option for the customers. Get a HTC and you get it locked, running an Android branded by HTC. If you want to take it to the next level visit http://www.htcdev.com/ which is an official website by HTC and unlock your device to have access and mutate this device after your own will. Too bad MS is never going to do this for any device (checked the website for dev unlocking for my 8s and guess what, it's not there, because IT WOULD BE USELESS since MS have not opened any sources).

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Well, isn't this actually just the thing Nokia did with N9?
When you use it without developer mode and with deault settings (only install from the store) you get the everymans/womans phone with nice GUI & installable safe apps.

When you enable developer mode & flash a custom kernel it's all your playground. And to top it off, you get this without a fee.

So what's the difference here? How much more open the HTC device is after unlocking? Do you get ALL the source, I somehow doubt it?

With N9 you get most of the important bits as source, there are lots of stuff that's NOT opened and that's an annoyance but really, you get the important stuff on a DVD just by asking for it, no need to pay even for the cost of the media&shipping (For which they COULD actually charge you for, according to the open source licencing...)

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Hey, just to be clear, I wasn't promoting in any way HTC. I was just pointing an idea out with a clear example. Of course HTC don't give you the sources (none of the sources for the HTC modded Android OS, so you don't have access to Sense and stuff like that). You now can root you device and develop custom apps with root access and modify your kernel (yes they give you the kernel sources). HTC don't charge you either, but let's not get too deep with this HTC thing because that's not my point.

I appreciate a device that fits my needs. I need a smartphone that can work without any mods and that will do it's job and I need a device that I can satisfy my modder desires and this second one is too hard to get. Nokia had only the N900 that can do this and the N9 after activating the developer mode. HTC unlocks all the Android phones and that's about it... Samsung is locked and without hacks, real home-made hacks, it's not possible further modding, same goes for LG, SONY, Sony-Ericsson, Blackberry, iPhone and so on.

And now let's be realistic on this, Nokia have this very annoying German spirit, if they do something they close it very tight so nobody can have access to it. They did that with Simbian, they did this with most of the basic apps of the maemo/meego and now they are doing the same thing with Windows, and now let's be sincere, isn't this such a bummer for every smartphone user today? How many Android users don't have root? How many iOS users don't have jailbreak?

Microsoft seems to follow the company-killer example of Nokia and here is the best example: developers were on a good path to break the Windows Phone OS and the bootloader on these devices, so they can start to open up this OS. Microsoft launched the latest GDR2 Amber update for WP8 and also updated the bootloader making it even more secure, and now, because all the users got that update, the dev's work is now in vain...

So to get back on my point. Except the N900, N9, some HTC's and that's about it, everything was built so closed and tight that whatever you choose that is not going to satisfy your developer/modder/hacker desires.

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@Purple

This might be true in most cases, the manufacturer has certain closed source elements they deliver on top of the OS.

Nothing about Linux and GPL stops proprietary layers, why should it, you don't have to give up your intellectual property just because you run something on top of an opensource stack.

But in the case of Windows, everthing is closed source including the OS.

With Android the manufacture has no choice but to release a compilable source for the entire OS.

This is why Android is wiping the floor with competitors, this is why Apple is losing ground, this is why Windows phone will never amount to more than a paltry percentage of wanna be's.

And ... hats off to google, they are a big thorn in the side of legacy OSes like Windows, it helps keep companies like Microsoft from using illegal acts to compete which is never acceptable in the pursuit of profit.

Maemo etc were pretty open hence cssu can exist but as you say perhaps not fully open.

However being able to Root your device you paid for so you can tinker is not a measure of how open it is, just a part of the requirement.

Rgds

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http://slashdot.org/topic/bi/blackbe...y-opportunity/

Just saying

rgds

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Seems its not just Windows Phone the world doesn't like.

http://image-store.slidesharecdn.com...7-original.png

rgds

Come on Nokia, hurry up and wake up and smell the fish!

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I rather doubt that IE would be the most popular browser in China... AFAIK China uses more Linux than MS products?

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Who can tell, that graph is from Statcounter so they probably have no idea.

rgds

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People are stupid *****s using google chrome or explorer == same ****. Both send all info to NSA!!!

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I was there couple weeks ago.
I saw Windows 7 everywhere. They've probably installed a pirated version of it which doesn't send out data to MS because of the Great Firewall of China.

It filters and sends it back to their mother country, leading to the arrest of terrorists that Baidu search for the term "free tibet".

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What are you saying again? You seem not to understand the business of selling technology. It has nothing to do with open or closed software. Timing always plays a role, as did when MS became the dominant desktop force. If Nokia had gone with Android in 2008 or 2009, Nokia would dominate. But Nokia stayed in denial until 2011, when the Android OEM landscape already crystalized. The Windows Phone jump was an attempt to get that pole position in a nascent ecosystem, which they could have gotten if they hadn't stuck with Symbian for so long.

Now, if you are right, Maemo should have blossomed. It never did. if you are right, Jolla will boom, lets see if that happens. Because of timing, Jolla CAN NOT boom as they have nothing more to offer than mooch off Android apps and come up with a variant of iOS UI.

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Oh my, NOKIA stock has crossed four and closed at $4.18!!! YAY!

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so down from 4.20 earlier in the week

yawn

rgds

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I am making profit already :)

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And lost how much over the last couple of years? :)

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sooo pragmatic damnramos!!

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I always believed Dan the Ram was from The Simpsons.

Didn't know he was from Prague.

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@Lumiaman

Firstly

"If Nokia had gone with Android ... Nokia would dominate"

I see you acknowledge that Nokia should have gone with Android if they wanted to be successful.

It's a start towards the cold light of reality.

I have some news for you, they still could, it's not too late.

Secondly

"Jolla .... nothing more to offer than mooch off Android apps"

Apart from QT of course, so thats QT and potentially all the Android apps.

Hmm, Windows phone can mooch off any WIndows apps or any RT apps maybe?

What none?

Microsoft can't even mooch any of their own apps - Quelle Surprise!

rgds

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Truth be told: In the short term, you're claiming a small profit. You neglect to point out that in any length of longer term (weeks, months, years, etc.), there's an excruciating amount of liability the longer you go since Elop took over--moreso than ever before for the stock. Am I right?

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Actually not. I bought it at its nadir, under $3. So I am ok. Again, I still stand by $10 bucks by next spring. Will see how wrong I am.

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I acknowledge nothing that I haven't said before. Nokia and BB were late to face reality of having to change. Markets are ruled by opportunism, timing and ability to predict winners. Nothing to do with open or closed software. Actually, let me correct myself, Nokia did try to have their own OS, but it became clear that they could not deliver for whatever reasons. Read the rest above. And Jolla has no chance. They are DOA.

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@Lumiaman

Actually you are wrong, it is everything to do with Open or Closed.

Seems you are unable to see the winner even when it is in front of your face.

I certainly hope you don't do investments for a living.

rgds

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It has nothing to do with open or closed. And I have debunked your falsehoods multiple times above.

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It has everything to do with Open or Closed.

You have made many statements that have shown you do not have a clear grasp of Open.

But thats ok, thats part of what this forum is here to do, help those with less knowledge to actual understanding.

rgds

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Oh look, The Lumia Amber software update is here!

Oh, woops, not for me, I have a Lumia 800.

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I feel for you.

I have a Samsung Galaxy Note which Samsung won't upgrade anymore past Android 4.1.2

Oh I nearly forgot, because Android is OPEN I can deploy something like CyanogenMod if I want to, oh lucky me.

I nearly thought I was stuck in a Closed nightmare, suks to be Lumiaman.

rgds

ps. I just found out the Lumia 800 was only released 18mnths ago and already it is obsolete? wow WOW!

Thats a very short and slightly useless lifetime, shame Microsoft Lumia Customers are locked in with no choice.

I wonder if newer models will have equally short lifespans and will those Customers also be equally shafted?

I wouldn't ever choose to be a Nokia/Microsoft customer.

In comparison, my N900 was released in 2009 and is still going strong, CSSU updates are great.

I loved being a Nokia/Maemo customer and hope for the day when Nokia comes to its senses.

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Lumia 800 can do basic functions better than N9 and N900 and no matter how much updates you get on those, it will still not do what Lumia 800 can do.

Fill in the blanks:

Lets see, Microsoft dominated for so long and it was........system.

Lets see Apple was the most valuable company in the world and is ......system.

Lets see, the single most sold phone runs...........system.

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Lumiaidiot doesn't get it. Never will.

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No he doesn't, I completely agree but it's funny watching him.

:-)

rgds

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Err, "the only"? Seriosly, for years theirs was the only system available for the PC - an open platform.

Firstly I have some doubts about the validity of that sentence but let's abstract that and just fill in the blank, assuming the rest is valid. Err... "the only"? Again, theirs was the only OS available for their platform. And they have always played the second fiddle to the PC.

"Android"?

PS
It looks that you've run out of apostrophes.

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This just in: WP still blows.

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Looks like you failed the exam. And now everyone here is loving Android!!

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Craperl, Maemo is dead. Jolla is DOA. Even your echo here develops for iOS.

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The users waiting for iPhone 5S:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...utm_source=NPR

Samsung should use this as a commercial, that would be truly fun. Just think what they could say :D Very similar to an apple event when they reveal a new iPhone...

only 1 GB ram

BAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

only 4 inch screen low res screen

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

unuser frendly OS

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Dave999 Rules

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Pay overprice

BAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You got it, hilarious :D

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Yeah, not like WP 7.8.

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@Lumiaman

Maemo is very much alive and well, this forum that you seem to spend so much time on trying to convince yourself and everyone else about how much it no longer counts proves you wrong every single time.

It will outlast each and every iteration of WIndows phone OS for many years to come.

Jolla if it lives up to its potential by opening up the UI will certainly outlast anything from Microsoft.

You are right that I develop for IOS and Android and many other platforms, languages and frameworks just not Microsoft Phone, not sure what your point was though but as a statement it was correct, well done.

rgds

ps. It surely must be dawning on you by now that you are being played like a fish, even you can't be that dense.

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Maemo is alive! Among 5 people in the universe, the open UI that nobody wanted and because it was soooo open it succeeded wildly............

I guess it didnt. Maemo must have had extremely closed UI, that is why it didnt succeed. Yes, that is the only conclusion one can draw from the rabid fan boys deductive logic! Eureka!