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oenone 2015-09-05 10:03

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
I suppose you could try and contact Dirk at "info at funkyotherhalf.com" for support.

Change the "at" to an @.

benny1967 2015-09-05 11:01

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadHorseRiding (Post 1481130)
Congratulations!
Awesome fresh article from Keywan Tonekaboni about "making of" today in german (print) c't-magazine, short version here.
Report is in german only.

I bought and downloaded the article yesterday evening... Have to say my respect for Dirk, Andrew and Kimmo grew (again!) with each line I read. I wasn't aware of most of the challenges they faced. It makes the whole project even more awesome in the end.

Also, the article stresses how this crowdfunding campaign differs from other in that it had more realistic calculations and better planning. Nice reading. (Or, as other would say: funky!)

billranton 2015-09-05 11:38

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oenone (Post 1481150)
Anyone tried wiping the contacts (both between the keyboard and the other half, and between the other half and the mobile device) with a clean lint-free alcohol-soaked cloth?

So I had another good rub of the pcb contacts that connect to the Jolla, and it's fixed. Thanks very much for the hint!

Rauha 2015-09-07 12:47

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Any way to get those little magnets/round metal pieces that sit on each corner of the OH?

Dropped my phone in supermarket yesterday and one of those round things had flown off. Didnt notice until I was home.

:(

Kabouik 2015-09-07 22:35

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1481127)
Speaking of software, can you confirm Kimmoli that the keyboard returning to QWERTY (or Scandic, not sure) layout after some time is a known bug? Every time my Jolla is sleeping for, let's say, a few hours, my keyboard is back to QWERTsomething layout, instead of AZERTY. I have to set it back to AZERTY again in the tohkbd application. Of note, AZERTY is still displayed in the application as the active layout, but it is not, and re-enabling it solves the issue.

I've had this issue since the first day, but thought it was already a known bug and a fix was coming, but now I'm starting to doubt it is so well known. It can be really annoying to go through the application everytime I want to use my keyboard for just a quick SMS answer or Internet browsing. Enough to make me use the touch keyboard sometimes, or the tohkbd in the wrong layout.

Am I the only one with this issue?

coderus 2015-09-07 22:50

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1481395)
Any way to get those little magnets/round metal pieces that sit on each corner of the OH?

Dropped my phone in supermarket yesterday and one of those round things had flown off. Didnt notice until I was home.

:(

https://www.kjmagnetics.com/products.asp?cat=1

seiichiro0185 2015-09-08 05:20

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1481495)
Am I the only one with this issue?

No, you are not the only one, I have the same issue.

Fellfrosch 2015-09-08 10:08

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
For me the qwertz layout doesn't work correctly. Z and y are on the right position. But I can't type Umlaute like ü,ö,ä...

And I have the same problem as seiichiro0185 and Kabouik.

seiichiro0185 2015-09-08 10:21

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
QWERTZ seems to work better with the (not officially released yet) SFOS 1.1.9.28 (aka SFOS 2.0). At least I can type Umlauts now when the Layout is set to german in the normal Jolla settings.

On the downside it seems that a lot of other keys change to the "standard" layout, as it would be on a normal PC keyboard. For example the "-"-Key right of the number keys now writes a "ß" (which would be at that position on a normal keyboard). Same goes for some other keys, and also the fn-symbols (blue) don't match the characters produced anymore in many cases...

explit 2015-09-08 21:02

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1481158)
I bought and downloaded the article yesterday evening... Have to say my respect for Dirk, Andrew and Kimmo grew (again!) with each line I read. I wasn't aware of most of the challenges they faced. It makes the whole project even more awesome in the end.

Also, the article stresses how this crowdfunding campaign differs from other in that it had more realistic calculations and better planning. Nice reading. (Or, as other would say: funky!)

hi.
can you upload the full article somewhere or send it to me?
explit at gmail.com

Thanks a lot!

pichlo 2015-09-08 21:47

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by explit (Post 1481665)
can you upload the full article somewhere or send it to me?

Err, what is stopping you from buying it yourself?

explit 2015-09-08 22:41

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1481670)
Err, what is stopping you from buying it yourself?

because i think c't has enough money, without my 3,50 EUR.

Better i would donate this 3,50 EUR to CodeRUS or Cepi for they work...

alfredquack 2015-09-09 09:54

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
C'mon 3,5 isn't helping noone that much eather. And If you really want to support whoever, just go ahead.

Besides, I was just getting it yesterday to read for myself on paper, you might as well just go to the next späti and have a look, the articel isn't too long to read.

There's not much news in there anyhow, but what I didn't know is that Dirk was planning to on some sliding mechanism primarily, but couldn't find someone to produce hinges needed.

Altogether this articl will introduce jolla to a wider audience and that's a good thing for sure!

p.s. I think c't sells for 4,5 EUR.

pichlo 2015-09-09 10:04

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alfredquack (Post 1481731)
p.s. I think c't sells for 4,5 EUR.

No, it's 3.50. Unless they charge different prices based on your IP:

Quote:

Originally Posted by c't magazin
Diesen Artikel jetzt für 3,50 €* kaufen mit...


alfredquack 2015-09-09 10:13

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
well, I meant the whole print c't. That's what I got myself yesterday, here in germany, I don't know about availability abroad.

alfredquack 2015-09-09 10:20

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
for non germans speaking folks:

the first comment made was a guy stating how one could make such thing without chequing CE, Weee and other rules and regulations.

But there are some comments against that too, including mine:

He who makes no mistakes, doesn' make nothing! Just go ahead and make it - thanks DIRK.

http://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2015-....html#comments

Amboss 2015-09-09 15:18

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
But you have to say, he's got some point too. I am not sure if Dirk has at least checked with regulations (including VAT regulations for selling within EU). If I take on such a project, I would. But as others it c't comments stated: this would make me a typical german.

Still I think this is a great project.

oenone 2015-09-09 21:45

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amboss (Post 1481790)
But you have to say, he's got some point too. I am not sure if Dirk has at least checked with regulations (including VAT regulations for selling within EU). If I take on such a project, I would. But as others it c't comments stated: this would make me a typical german.

Still I think this is a great project.

Dirk operates under a legitimate business licence (the licence is over five years old now) with a valid VAT number.

If you don't believe me, all of that information can be found and verified through tools available on the internet.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about the finer parts of following regulations, as I think that for an already 5 year-old business that is the easy part.

mosen 2015-09-10 12:46

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oenone (Post 1481863)
Dirk operates under a legitimate business licence

I can confirm this.
The Article fails to mention that he is doing Prototyping since quite some time. This gives the impression that he just collected money for tohkbd and made it as a complete bedroom project.

And to the first comenter i can just say :"Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter" engl. "You dont need a judge if there is no prosecutor".
We buyers would be the potential pepole to make claims aginst Dirk if TOHKBD starts to burn in our pockets... I can't see that happen ;)

shining235 2015-09-11 07:44

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seiichiro0185 (Post 1481550)
On the downside it seems that a lot of other keys change to the "standard" layout, as it would be on a normal PC keyboard. For example the "-"-Key right of the number keys now writes a "ß" (which would be at that position on a normal keyboard). Same goes for some other keys, and also the fn-symbols (blue) don't match the characters produced anymore in many cases...

you can revert to the previous behaviour with settings/system/text input/active layout (hwkbd) -> english

Elektrobier 2015-09-14 22:41

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
I have the tohkbd qwertz layout fully working now :)

to get this you need sfos 1.1.9.28 (you need to opt in early adopter updates atm)

next you need the latest tohkbd software testing build from kimmoli : http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:....1.armv7hl.rpm

you also need to modify two system files to get the full layout working in sfos and alien dalvik:

first replace /usr/share/qt5/keymaps/boston.qmap with http://kimmoli.com/tauhkaa/boston.qmap

for qwertz in alien-dalvik replace /opt/alien/system/usr/keychars/Generic.kcm with this file: http://www.file-upload.net/download-...neric.kcm.html

Kabouik 2015-09-15 16:31

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Will we still get automatic updates if we install the rpm from Kimmoli's testing builds?

I had the software installed automatically thanks to the NFC, but since 1.1.9.28 the version officially supported in the store seems really outdated. SF2.0 is an early update, so no rush intended. But I'm asking whether the official tohkbd update is expected soon or not, because otherwise I'll go for the manual install of testing builds.

With the last official version and non-qwerty layouts, even if most letters work, they don't all correspond to their physical keys, and the most problematic is special characters like punctuations, brackets, dashes, etc. While it was possible to type texts with no accents so far (not work emails though), it's not possible anymore if the punctuation can't be used easily, unless you learn by heart what characters the keys will actually correspond to.

Elektrobier 2015-09-15 22:04

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1482597)
Will we still get automatic updates if we install the rpm from Kimmoli's testing builds?

Yes you will still get updates. If the version number in Jolla Store is higher then your manually installed testing build you'll get informed.

Kabouik 2015-09-16 14:13

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Good, thanks! Where can I find the qmap and kcm files for other layouts than qwertz? From the layouts shown in the new option of the tohkbd2 application, it seems azerty is not available yet.

Elektrobier 2015-09-17 02:08

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
I found a french and a spanish .kcm file :

french azerty : http://forum.xda-developers.com/atta...9&d=1335828598

spanish keyboard: http://forum.xda-developers.com/atta...5&d=1337463718

itdoesntmatt 2015-09-22 20:34

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
but tohkbd are not produced anymore right ? there will be another stock ?

juiceme 2015-09-23 04:40

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by itdoesntmatt (Post 1483393)
but tohkbd are not produced anymore right ? there will be another stock ?

Not likely. :p

gehowa 2015-09-23 08:39

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
As clumsy as I am, I trashed the casing of my beloved TOHKBD.

Tried to use shapeways to print a replacement, but they threw it back because "Thin Walls". Material was orange strong & flexible polished, the file I tried to print is this: https://github.com/dirkvl/TOHKBD/blo...els/casing.stl

Has anyone tried and succeeded in printing a TOHKBD casing?

dirkvl 2015-09-23 12:20

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gehowa (Post 1483419)
As clumsy as I am, I trashed the casing of my beloved TOHKBD.

Tried to use shapeways to print a replacement, but they threw it back because "Thin Walls". Material was orange strong & flexible polished, the file I tried to print is this: https://github.com/dirkvl/TOHKBD/blo...els/casing.stl

Has anyone tried and succeeded in printing a TOHKBD casing?


the design is pushing their limits in my attempts trying to please you thickness-weenies ;)

try 'print it anyways'

gehowa 2015-09-23 18:06

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Thanks, much appreciated!

mced 2015-09-27 07:58

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Now running, errr... Eineheminlampi... is it time to us to begin working on custom layouts or must wait to a "proper" 2.0 upgrade?

mced 2015-09-27 11:29

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Answering myself:

Quote:

work in progress. you can install next beta here http://repo.merproject.org/obs//home....1.armv7hl.rpm

kimmoli (Sep 10 '15) edit

kimmoli 2015-09-30 05:18

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
FAQ has been updated, see here https://together.jolla.com/question/96836/tohkbd-faq

And special thanks for your efforts;

https://together.jolla.com/question/...n-android-apps

peterleinchen 2015-09-30 07:10

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Already installed. :)
And directly another request regarding backlight (screen active on tokbk connected). ;)
Very nice but would be even much better if only the lock of display would be prohibited. So display goes black but gets active on any (better: defined) keypress.
Would that (N900 feeling) be possible?

C3P 2015-09-30 07:53

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
One of the pogo pins of the keyboard part is stuck in the bottom. Is it possible to change the pin without breaking the plastic casing?

ggabriel 2015-09-30 08:53

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by C3P (Post 1484059)
One of the pogo pins of the keyboard part is stuck in the bottom. Is it possible to change the pin without breaking the plastic casing?

Which pin is it? There is one that is just for show and it's ok if it's stuck.

C3P 2015-09-30 09:58

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1484061)
Which pin is it? There is one that is just for show and it's ok if it's stuck.

First from left.

ggabriel 2015-09-30 10:12

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by C3P (Post 1484070)
First from left.

Uhm... I think it's bad: http://kimmoli.com/tauhkaa/TOHKBD-measurement.pdf

hedwig 2015-09-30 16:17

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
For me it's the right most pin that's stuck. I have not yet found a problem caused by that.
I assume my keyboard removed/connected messages and repeating key presses are caused by 2G radio interference.

explit 2015-10-08 11:55

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Hello guys. I'm a happy TOHKBDv2 User. Mine is Cyrillic + QWERTY. Is it possible to change layout quickly with shortcut?


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