Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

But the same can be said about you! There are posters who try to paint an objective picture but the moment they include anything that can be considered even a little bit negative, you immediately snatch that opportunity and focus only on that.

Exactly!

There. Fixed it for you. It is the lack of details that give rise to gossip and bemoaning, not their presence. Providing unambiguous details prevents gossip and bemoaning.

This post is a typical example. Completely lacking any detail and a textbook invitation to speculations and gossips and, eventually, bemoaning. It would have been better not to say anything at all but if you want to say something, say it properly. Provide the schedule or, if you do not have one, say you do not have one and why. Say exactly what obstacles are standing in the way. Not just, "we have some problems", but exactly what problems. It's just business 101. Managing expectations.

But this is waaaaay OT. Now back SFOS 2.0. I like it.
There. A positive comment. Feel free to ignore it and say that I am 100% negative.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Overtly negative and disproportionate is not same thing as objective. I do recognize that Sailfish is far from perfect and I do hope that next phone is already in the pipeline as I don't count this one to last for next two years. But to comment only on those negative things is not being objective, especially if the tone is more like pointing fingers instead of looking forward. Nothing is solved that way. Some things take time to implement, somethings have to be given lower priority, some things may be dropped altogether. It's normal in just about every single company or project with limited resources. Somehow it at times turns into "not even this is implemented yet so they just sit there doing nothing" as if that certain piece is THE defining factor of everything related to the OS.

We have already seen it before. Details only matter when there is resolution available, until that they always cause more gossip and bemoaning, especially if attitudes are already hyper-critical. That's why I prefer announcing things only when there is something relevant to announce. The Apple way seems to be better in this regard - they never give hints beforehand, only announcing things when they are ready. Jolla's model is different as it lets people to have a look how the product is baked. However, it's also somewhat dangerous approach as it places much faith in people to understand that it's not at all uncommon for things to go SNAFU until product is ready to deliver. You just don't hear it from companies like Apple or Samsung. However, I do blame them for setting over optimistic schedule for delivery like Nokia did before. I don't know if they do it to keep things moving forward or what, but it does harm their public image.

...and it's perfect example of what I mean. If something cannot be published at that moment, there is nothing else to disclose. So, in that case, which one you want: silence, or ambiguous statement that something is cooking?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

We will just have to agree to disagree. You see it white. I see it grey. You shout, "you see it all black!"

Please try to undersatnd that not everyone who is not your friend is your enemy.
Quite the opposite, everyone who is not your enemy is your friend.

I said exactly where I stand. Saying nothing is a lesser evil than an ambiguous statement. There is nothing worse than an ambiguous statement.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Then I guess we agree at least on the part where silence is golden until there is something relevant to disclose.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I was monitoring webOS before and after the Touchpad firesale (I got one there), and I can say that the firesale did not help much.

An example is that the android-on-the-touchpad IRC channel was significantly more populated than the usual webOS channels.

Unsurprisingly, people who've paid $100 are less committed than people who paid +$300 :)

In any case, open source webOS has certainly worked to keep it alive. can run it on my Jolla of all places :), and in fact would probably be my first option of a truly free mobile OS.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

ot: webos or luneos is actuslly as usable as sailfish?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

When a company dies, the OS or UI doesn't have to die. Look at how LuneOS is progressing on re-building my beloved webOS (though I moved on to Jolla and now BB since Jolla launched their phone). I have a test version of LuneOS running on my HP Touchpad and they're doing a great job. Just like SOS, there are monthly updates. So no, an OS doesn't have to die when a company falls.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

On the HP Touchpad and Nexus 4: yes, although making calls is still on the to-do list. But aside from that, it's perfectly useable as a basic OS (though there are also more advanced options).

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Well! This has really gotten offtopic!
Any thoughts about Sailfish 2.0 anyone?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Thanks for this...

I think, many of TMO-members has abandoned Jolla/Sailfish because of delays and no info...

No, i have not any thoughts about S2.0 because i am waiting official upgrade... Just calm down everyone, please...