Originally Posted by Koiruus (Post 1559099)

I am just wondering, what would be the use case where resistive screen and stylus are must? .... .

Originally Posted by xman (Post 1559119)

1. Drawing with pressure sensitivity.
2. Using when fingers are wet/sweating
3. Using when you have glove on.
4. Not cracking when phone is in the pocket or dropped.
5. Using any object to interact with (a real pen, a tooth brush :D)
6. when vncing into a desktop machine via guitar

Neg for me are:
1. No multitouch
2. ..... umm that's it really ...

x

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1559123)

1. Can be done with Capacitive screens too. See the Note series
2. Again, this is possible with (expensive) capacitive screens
3. I use my S8+ with gloves on.. What are you talking about
4. Using glass has NOTHING to do with capacitive screens. Look at the Nintendo Switch. It has a capacitive screen, but doesn't use glass!
5. Again, possible with capacity screens (Samsung Note series)
6. :confused:??

I don't understand why people still don't know about these things....
We're in 2019..

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1559101)

If you need to draw with precision, just get a Samsung Note 9 or higher.

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1559123)

1. Can be done with Capacitive screens too. See the Note series
[...]
3. I use my S8+ with gloves on.. What are you talking about
[...]
5. Again, possible with capacity screens (Samsung Note series)
[...]

I don't understand why people still don't know about these things....

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1559123)

1. Can be done with Capacitive screens too. See the Note series
2. Again, this is possible with (expensive) capacitive screens
3. I use my S8+ with gloves on.. What are you talking about
4. Using glass has NOTHING to do with capacitive screens. Look at the Nintendo Switch. It has a capacitive screen, but doesn't use glass!
5. Again, possible with capacity screens (Samsung Note series)
6. :confused:??

I don't understand why people still don't know about these things....
We're in 2019..

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1559139)

Screens were used for typing way before HWKs or capacitive screens.

Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1559146)

I also had my card declined, and then immediately frozen due to "card fraud", which took some sorting out over the phone. I wish F(x)Tec could find a different payment processor.

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1559151)

Mmm. No.

You might be so young you don't remember that first mobile phones had only HWKBD for typing, and no touchscreen whatsoever whether resistive, capacitive or inductive.

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1559151)

Mmm. No.

You might be so young you don't remember that first mobile phones had only HWKBD for typing, and no touchscreen whatsoever whether resistive, capacitive or inductive.

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1559175)

Yes all those listed on whatever page that is are EOL.
I doubt there are any on the market currently.

Originally Posted by ravelo (Post 1559177)

So this type of screen is actually deprecated anyway.

Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1559184)

When there is no demand then not manufactured, the same applies today to smaller displays also...

Originally Posted by Koiruus (Post 1559185)

And qwerty keyboards :D

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1557031)

Some people like BMW i8's, while others love Tesla Model S's. And well, there are still people who loves Lada's. Tastes and colors cannot be argued, everyone loves their own things.



Maemo.org has a nice community and lets keep it that way.
<3

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559200)

WTF did I just receive???

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559200)

WTF did I just receive???

As a pre-order customer, take advantage of the pre-launch pricing before prices increase ahead of launch and shipping next month.
To secure your Pro1, make your payment in the next 7 days by logging into your your F(x)tec order account.

Since when they were about to sell it at higher price? I don't recall that $649 | £649 | €649 was just _preorder_ price. This is getting more and more frustrating every day. This is not an auction and such aggressive marketing is not acceptable. And what the final price would be then? $1000? Then I'd wait one more year and buy used on Ebay for $500.

Chen, please. This is not how you make more buyers for your product. The demand for niche product is low and it's VERY silly to make it even less with unexpected price changes, extra charges and other bull*it.

Blah blah, first we have deficite and high demands, now they are sooo high we'll raise the price... What's next? You have to win a fight to get it? Quit it, makes me sick.

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559200)

WTF did I just receive???

As a pre-order customer, take advantage of the pre-launch pricing before prices increase ahead of launch and shipping next month.
To secure your Pro1, make your payment in the next 7 days by logging into your your F(x)tec order account.
[...]

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559213)

not a big surprise that fanbois would always be the free-of-charge lawyers no matter what company does :D

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559213)

if they decide to change any specs, they are free to do so. if they decide to deliver you piece of soap instead of phone, they are free to do so... WRONG! one shouldn't give promises if he's unsure of being capable to keep them. or if he had no wish to keep those promises in the first place. that's not Samsung nor Apple. company is unknown and company should gain trust instead of trying to cheat or lie to customer.

and just in case, here's some obvious stuff:

Pros of being first one to pay and receive:
1. being the first one

Pros of wait a few months before buying:
1. price lower by ~30% or more.
2. not getting possible lame first batch or unfinished software.
3. being 100% sure someone received the actual product and it's not a scam.
4. getting to know real user reviews on real product, not prototype.
5. possibly get news on next product, perhaps 4,6-5" qwerty slider and change mind.
6. buy used on ebay for half price or even cheaper.

so with sober view, the actual pre-order audience is just fanbois or marketing victims. there's no much profit of pre-ordering. the discount might be the one, but there was no discount announced at the beginning and now, when it's almost shipping and no point of making preorder more profitable, they decide to give preorder customers discount by making final price higher - totally lame marketing.

for me it's frustrating because my N900 is dead and currently I have to wait with some monochrome dialer. but looks like I'll just buy some generic 4,6-5" smartphone in the meanwhile (for 1/5 of Pro1 possbile price) and give Pro1 a more reasonable waiting time.

anyway, even preorder price is pretty high, add shipping and you'll get $700, which IMO is max price for ANY phone, even perfect one (and we still unsure if Pro1 is perfect) and it makes absolutely no sense to pay more than $700 just for a phone (unless you are Apple/Samsung fanboi or a marketing victim ready to blast some $1000-$1200 for a toy). So I guess, no matter what the final price would be, it's unacceptable for me.

the fun fact is, after waited ~2 years for Keyboard mod, 1 year for Pro1, it's not a big trouble to wait 1 more year for a fair price. at least if they not going to quit production after 2-3 batches. I got my N900 for 9 years and not in a hurry.



that's why it's frustrating, totally wrong and makes absolutely no sense.

it's not obvious that preorder price is ALWAYS lower. I'm not a mind-reader and if I wasn't told that preorder price is final price, that is considered as a lie. if you steal something and nobody caught you, it's still a crime.

at the beginning I was unsure about buying it pre-ordered or later, but as things going by, the wish of buying it at once is destroyed by bad marketing in addition to obvious reasons not to be first one.

not a big surprise that fanbois would always be the free-of-charge lawyers no matter what company does :D

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559216)

sheep protecting the wolf, so deja-vu'ing...

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1559223)

Why do you care how much others will pay for it?

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1559223)

Just like I don't pre-order anything. But don't worry about me, I'll be fine. If I like the product and the price of the product on the shelf than I'll buy.

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559225)

ever seen major manufacturer often change price after it's official announce?

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559225)

might be that first price was not calculated accurate enough, is that the issue in our case?

Originally Posted by DDark (Post 1559227)

I actually don’t.

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559229)

oh, so they've meant the shipping price increase, not the phone itself??? doubt :D

I didn't mention the shipping cost because it varies depending on country, delivery times and so on. I don't think that delivery cost would exceed $100 in the worst possible case. all I care is the phone price itself.

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559229)

oh, so they've meant the shipping price increase, not the phone itself??? doubt :D

I didn't mention the shipping cost because it varies depending on country, delivery times and so on. I don't think that delivery cost would exceed $100 in the worst possible case. all I care is the phone price itself.

I see no reason to keep retail price untold, apart of not yet knowing/calculated it by now. it would be polite to tell retail price to reduce negative feedback. but as far as Chen keeps silent here, I guess he's satisfied with feedback.

obviously, preorder customers can't be offended with way too small discount so I guess retail price will be at least $100 more expensive than currently known.