Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They are stillborn. It seems exactly the behaviour you expect from creators of N9. Flashy in a backward way, teasing yet not delivering, buzz creators without substance, twitters without peters, unevolved exhibitionists....overall a bad pedigree.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

well... while this may be true (i don't know) it doesn't explain why they prefer twitter. Quite on the contrary, i would expect marketing people to use twitter and geeks to use identi.ca and similar open services.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

yes they are and thats good but still to sell devices they need strong marketing/communication for "nongeeks" but lets see what happens :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I didn't used to have any non-negotiable requirements for a phone, but now I do. It must be able to run ipython. No phone that is not as python-friendly as my beloved N900 will ever be a replacement candidate.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Obviously non-geek marketing campaign is not focused towards western markets ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They will need marketing once they have something to sell.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This is good in itself, but it's not the same as having an official site. It's becoming immature not to have it at this stage for Jolla.

It's bad if it's so. The marketing campaign shouldn't discriminate.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If I may ask, exactly what stage is Jolla at right now? Jolla is not Nokia; it's just a little group of researchers putting together some ideas. I'm not even sure they want to be a retail business; they could probably survive just marketing Sailfish to hardware manufacturers, and not bother producing their own phones. (Google seems to be doing fairly well working along those lines...)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla is a company planning to release som kind of device next year. They have money and 50+ employees and the desperately need customer and market shares. They need profit and so they need to establish visibility and reliable information chanals. They need a basic website!


That's becouse Google had a great buissniss before android. Please don't compare Jolla with Google. But if you still wants to do that. Google built their brand with a website ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

From what I understood they aren't just researchers who put together some ideas. They are working on a real product which they want to sell. I can still accept them not having a site until they actually have something substantial to reveal. But I'm not OK with them using Twitter to communicate until then. IRC is not the same as some site, since not everything from IRC is logged (if logged at all). Some open public communication channel would complement IRC which is more suitable for realtime conversations.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If they have money right now, then they don't desperately need customers right now. :) Especially as they don't yet have a product to sell. And who says they aren't marketing to their customer base yet? If they are concentrating on selling to manufacturers, they have little need for a website for the general public...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I hope that post was not serious. Atleast that's my take on it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If they currently don't have a product or OS to show, what do they need a site for? To publish 3 press releases on it?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

My understanding is that they are mostly software engineers. I doubt they have any in-house ability to manufacture (or, really, design) hardware to any great degree. As such, it makes more sense for them to concentrate on developing a great OS that they can market to manufacturers, rather than get bogged down in the details of hardware manufacturing themselves, or even worse, retail marketing.

I suspect Jolla is doing things the right way around: concentrating on having a product to sell first, then dealing with how to sell it. They've got money now, and they've got software engineers now; so they have the luxury of actually doing significant design work without bothering much with other corporate details.

They honestly don't need to communicate with the public right now. Time spent marketing is time not spent coding. :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They have no factories of course, but who said they don't have hardware designers? They can outsource the production of actual devices, but they can still put their own ideas into hardware design. At least that's what I understood from various Jolla videos - they don't want to rely on someone's ready product (i.e. hardware), but want to create one themselves. Obviously they won't go that far as creating their own GPUs and even SoCs and etc, but they surely can come up with their own external design. Anyway, we'll have to wait and see until November.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It's just the way Dave rolls, we all have gotten used to it by now :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Forget a out me. Why is it so quite in jolla land? Must be some articles about jolla in the local newspaper from time to time.

Can you mark it for extraction?

Is your friend at work less than 8 hours a day, close to 8 hours a day or more than 8 hours a day?

Can you provide a photo of the building they are working on. Do they have as jolla sign outside the door or do they trying to be completely hidden.

I think we need to step up our investigation to find any real information a out this shell company.

Anyone with a great voice imitation of elop. If we could call as fake elop we can could offer the a deal they can't reduce.

Time to put a plan in motion. I'll be back.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I came to this thread for intelligent discussion (lol, I know), but all I got was complaints about not having a website, incessant masturbation over hardware keyboards and and the usual nonsense from Lumiaclown and Dave999. Oh TMO, some things never change. (yes, I realise I'm posting in a troll thread)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

For intelligent discussions, please open a thread here: http://opentablets.org/forum/43-jolla/
Hopefully trolling will be prevented in it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

just got an email

"MeeGo General Backend Maintenance Announcement for 10/20/2012 at 16:00 UTC

Some general maintenance activities will be taking place on the
MeeGo.com and MeeGo related sites on Saturday, October 20, 2012 at 16:00
UTC. (Saturday October, 20, 2012 09:00 PDT) for a duration of 8 hours.

During this time multiple Patching, Firmware updates, Virtual Machine
Migrations will be in progress. While the window is 8 hours long most
services will be interrupted once or twice.

-------
Adam Gretzinger
adam.r.gretzinger@intel.com
adam.gretzinger@linux.intel.com
Intel Open Source Technology Center"


=]

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Dave,

This post made me laugh. No wonder Nokia wants to wash their hands off this website..

regards,

One and only Lumiaman

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Some are fortunate that trolls are so tolerated here.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Its TMO after all... Only here can you diss the system and still be allowed in... Thats why its known as probably the best community around ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Troll logic: "Piss into the stream, drink right back from it."

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

As long as there are no flamewars I find it amusing :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It's not always dissing, we can't all just hold hands and say MeeGo was the second coming of Jesus.

We need to be critical and be able to point out it's flaws and shortcoming, so they could be then later addressed and fixed for the benefit of everyone.

But some people they know who they are, do seem like all they do is moan about trivial stuff

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

:pIf we discussing jolla in this thread and that's what we spouse to do. Why do you post stuff about meego, trolls, i-know-better-than-you and you-speculate-and-im-not type of post.

If you don't have somthing to say about jolla its better to pm or any other member since you don't befitting the thread at all. You want it clean, but what do is you make it foggy and cloudy. You can't have both. Behave maybe?

And while we at it. What can we say as facts related to jolla? What can be backed up links? May be after the Nov 21 a real discussion can be held. But my guess is that you could continue the speculation toghter with you own thoughts. Personally a real discussion about jolla can't be held until we have devices. That when we can talk about stuff that we know for sure. Until then some of you might be better of without this thread. At least it seems that way.

You can always get some basic information on twitter.

I hope I don't heart your feelings since that was not my intention. Please no crying in this thread.

It's about jolla! Sailfish! And Marc Dillon possably. And the excellent work they are doing with Nokia's meego plattform.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Why should the rest of us suffer?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Both Marc and Jussi now appear to be better aligned in their roles moving forward:


“Marc has been in charge of the engineering and product development right from the start and the move will now maximise the delivery efficiency. At the same time, it’s elementary that we also look beyond the first launch and Jussi’s new role i.e. focusing on further developing the Sailfish strategy and the whole ecosystem will be very important for Jolla.”

I think its also better with a guy that speak more understandble(sorry, more clear) english as CEO when presenting stuff. Even though I havn't heard Mickey Dillon speak. His name sounds like he knows the language. Plus, its seems that jussi hs worked in Asia before so I think the changes is excellent.

Another thing, Its also intressting how Jolla planning to present itself. Is it a global company or is it a finish company? Will be intressting so see how they planning to present iteself when the time comes and if the time comes.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Custom Jolla's Sailfish OS Event Date Confirmed 21-22 November 2012
Started by shmerl, 04 Oct 2012 0 replies 137 Views

...it doesn't take off, does it? TMO's still a much warmer place, probably because Lubetroll & Davetroll Bros. are quite frequently taking their piss in our pool. :rolleyes:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The pool is mine too. You can't, don't should talk for the community. If you are up for it. Please ran for council.

Please provide some Input or intelligent post to move the thread in the direction you want. I'm always open for new views, but only complaining is not healthy. I fail to see any progress from your side, constantly complaining in all posts. Are you even interested in Jolla? If you want a intressting discussion about jolla according to you. Please lead the way...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

After some googling I found out some new (atleast for me) interesting stuff.

- Sailfish will be nothing like N9 was, there is for example totally new way of sending sms and show the calendar

- maybe 2 different phones, at least developer mode.

- sailfish will be developed fully in Hong Kong

- the price is estimated 600-900 euros.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I hope the phone is not too good then, because if it is my girlfriend will complain again on my spendings ..

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It all depends on the WAF (Woman Acceptance Factor). In opposition, maybe you also have something to complain about her :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ok, so it's that kind of post you think is intelligent and related to jolla. Troll_falcone ;)

900 Euro can't be accurate. IPhone and galaxy is around 600-700 Euros at release. Jolla can't go over that. That would be insane.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If it's REALLY good, why not?

I like the idea of a poser coming to me like: "oh, you got no iPhone (yet)?look what i got: iPhone 5!" and i can respond like "oh, i'm so sorry for you.. not enough money for a good phone?" :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

...except than that'd be me with an n900 and tears in my eyes.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Actually, Don_Falcone's comment is a positive contribution to this thread and to this site. It was meant to be humorous and lighthearted, and it was. Occasional posts of that kind are useful for making the TMO atmosphere pleasant.

On the other hand, Dave, a very large proportion of your posts are not positive, even when you seem to think that they are. They are not positive because they do not contribute anything useful. Just hearing you vent, criticize, and complain is not pleasant or constructive. Frankly, having to deal with an constant barrage of such like comments from you can become quite annoying and drives people away from this site. Makes some people wonder if that is your end objective. And that is why some people label your pattern of posting as trolling.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

His joke was very funny.--- Are you serious? I think it was boooring. But I dont care, all post contribute in there own way. but you should not compain of others when you post usless off topic posts like that.

You guys really want to continue this troll discussion? mybee we should create a thread where we can discussing who is a troll, what post is a troll post or/and who think what of what user or post?
Sure, some users can be annoying, and I have no illusions that there are users that think i'm annoying from time to time. Like in the rest of the world. You cant be liked by everyone. Neither do I think all my posts are positive. So some poeple can make jokes and other cant?

like don_falcone calling other users names and stuff? I have no problems with that since I simply ignores it. But if we should be fair. Is that positive for this community and not == community rules?

Create a thread and I'm happy to discuss this issue with you so we could leave this thread for jolla only.

you know I just joked with my post to don, right? He's so uptight. I just want to put a fart balloon when he sits down. :D Too bad he is out of reach for me.