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@Lumianan, just out of interest, how exactly do you define a "live" or "dead" OS?

Oh, and please take some of your profit you've made on Nokia stocks and go down the greengrocery store to get some apostrophes. I'm sure they can spare some from their apple's.

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@Lumiaman

Maemo has succeeded, better to be 1 of the 5 happy users than 1 lonely person telling everyone how bad it is and how it can't succeed.

It must be so annoying to you that it just is, given how petty you are beginning to sound, clearly a measure of how well it is doing without you.

Clearly Windows phone is not doing it for you or you wouldn't have so much to say on a Maemo forum that has nothing to do with either Nokia or Microsoft.

The fact that Maemo could not rise to the same heights as Android is a direct measure of how little Nokia understood open, so you are right keeping it closed through various mechanisms clearly had its effect, best then that they are no longer part of it.

rgds

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Maemo was sooooooo closed, that is why this is Maemo forum. It was soooo closed. I think you dont understand a thing. You just said that Maemo was more closed than Android. Are you smoking?

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You just did. You are dead.

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Let me give you a little revelation. Maemo was supposed to be their answer to iphone. It was made to be hackable, as NOKIA hoped that this community and developers will help it bridge the gap with Apple. They made it as open as they could, and it didnt work. It just didnt.

Now, I hope we are not confusing things here. Open software is different from being open to licensing your software to multiple device manufacturers. The later was what made Microsoft and Android become respective dominators in the overall game. The later has nothing to do with open UI, and open software.

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@Lumiaman

Even you can't be that stupid to contrive that meaning.

You clearly realise to lock down a system you only need a single closed component, piece of code, license, patent etc etc whatever even if every other part is totally open.

That is enough to provide a chilling effect on any specific distribution.

Hence my comment about Jolla opening up its UI will easily allow it to compete with Android, something Microsoft will never be able to achieve.

Closed components of Maemo has been covered sufficiently for your understanding in too many other topics so please use the search feature.

However before Android, Maemo was probably the most open phone OS, crippled by being locked to Nokia specific devices, it was never intended to compete with Android.

The more Open OS won that race, refer to earlier graphs.

My points are solely raised in connection with Nokias stock performance or rather lack of performance.

rgds

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I think your points show little understanding of what sells and what doesnt. If Maemo was at one point so open, why it didnt sell? You still have no answer. You are still stuck with simple association of Android current dominance and that is "more" open than iOS and WP. The answer is simple and you dont get it: Android dominates because it was the first to differentiate itself from Apple by licensing their software to ton of other manufacturers and therefore allowing the greater number of devices to be produced at every price point. Apple only focused on high end, and they still control the high end by volume. The reason why Android dominates is because they were the first to copy Apple and the first to license their software to others. WP came late to game and are trying Android game but not successful as late arrivals. Nothing to do with open UI.

NOKIA stock performance has to do with missing the boat when they had to act. And the stock is rising. I have almost doubled my investment. I am waiting for $10 in spring.

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Let me retype to make it easier for you.

"Closed components of Maemo has been covered sufficiently EVEN for your LIMITED understanding"

Clearer now?

As for the rest of your meaningless ramblings they are of little value.

Android differentiated itself from Apple by copying Apple? Huh? what a muppet!

Android is open source, any and all manufacturers can use it as long as they comply with the open source license free of charge!

With everyone able to use Android for free, what possible incentive can anyone have to follow Nokia with its Microsoft tax and lockins.

Microsoft don't rule smartphone hardware the way they tried with PC's

Unlucky!

rgds

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Did you even finish high school? Not sure why is it so difficult for you to comprehend.

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Your just a blindfooled Android fanboy if you think everything related to google android is opensource!!!! Again there is no fully opensource embedded platform so stop spread false information!

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Android was a iOS copycat, and just a software company. They found a niche by licensing their software to whomever as a way to get a handle on the market. If Apple did the same move, they would own the whole world. They didnt, because they focus on high end, and that has always been their moto. Produce the best product possible and people will buy. And people did. Nobody believed that people would splurge for iphone in 2007 $500. Closed system, wild success. Android jealous, they go and license to everyone and their grandmother. Everyone jealous and want piece of the pie. Apple making huge profits, and pulls everyone forward. Closed system pulling everyone up. Go figure. Go finish college, learn better english and you may have future.

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@Mike

Curious? Where did I say everything "related" to Android, I am fairly sure I only mentioned Android itself and we covered that earlier.

I can dig out the link again for you if you want to reread it?.

And no not an Android fanbpoy, I do however fully support Open and Android certainly falls into that category as does Maemo nearly.

rgds

Here Mike, I dug it out for you to read anyway in case you are confused.

http://source.android.com/source/index.html

and since Androids success is directly proportional to Nokia and Microsofts total abject failure then it is relevant to this topic.

cheers

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Lumiaman
This message is hidden because Lumiaman is on your ignore list.

rgds

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Now you are hidden, a true sign of an open guy, now open, now closed. you are special.

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@Lumiaman

Not that I intend to unblock you but I will say, in a strange way I actually support you.

When Nokia realises this current strategy is failing abysmally they may choose more wisely.

The only real option left on the table for them is Android, Jolla maybe but its a long shot for now.

Nokia hardware paired with decent truly opensource software and/or their hardware fully opened for all to use will catapult Nokias shares.

Hopefully we can then get back the innovation and quality Nokia was always known for and they can start once more to put their customers first.

It is never about the profits, always about the customers.

I also hope one day you may come to realise this too.

rgds

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Just ask Apple. Customer friendly stores, customer friendly exchanges, superb hardware and superb software. AND FREAKISHLY CLOSED SYSTEM!

Success on the market has nothing to do with open UI.

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You can compare Android with "Mer Core". Both is unusable for the enduser. Both needs drivers and apps on top of it and those are often not opensource.

What makes me pissed is when people often think that if you use Android phones everything is SOOOO open sooo fantastic sooo your friend.

Its time for people to wakeup. I dont like Nokias decision going Microsoft route but Google is the same **** as Microsoft. Both are in bed with NSA non of them is your friend. Its bussiness as usual.

Many young people has been brainwashed by Google's Android as my generation has been brainwashed by Microsoft!

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I disagree completely.
MS is no longer M$, not "evil" anymore but just another proprietary tech corp doing business in the world.

With that said Google is a mountain of a difference.
I won't call them "un-evil" but they are quite friendly, especially lately with Linux. There's been a few things taken from Android into Linux, especially in terms of ARM devices.

With MS they're turning a new page, in the new world.
With Google they offer options, solutions, etc etc.
None are your friends, but that doesn't mean they aren't friendly.

Apple... that's a whole nother thing. If you think otherwise, you're thinking it wrong.

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Let me give you a little revelation, Maemo predated the iPhone by around two years.

Series 40 is NOKIA's single tasking feature phone OS which is probably the closest direct comparison to the iPhone.

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Yes, Maemo predated it and did not sell well, but Maemo 5 was supposed to be their answer to iPhone or at.least the penultimate development. Unfortunately it wad taking too long for it to properly develop. Nokia just couldn't execute. Series40....is your name Tomi delusional Ahonen?

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saw an in movie advertizement of lumia 920 in newly released movie chennai express. Dang it was even thrown on the tracks out of the train but was still ringing no damage ..:D

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LOL! so now Apple is evil?

Let me tell you about some what apple has used and given to open source:

* They used KDE:s html rendering engine and forked it as WebKit and still work with it open.

* CaldDAv/CardDav

* Cups print framework

and so on. So stop this ridicilous FUD about Apple. I dislike Iphone but seriously Apple has used WAY more open standard/open source, and developed open, than Microsoft did under they 90ths and Apple has contributed back the the community also.

Btw. MacOSX lowlevel(Darwin fork of OpenBSD if I remember right) is open.

And btw if I remember right even Microsoft has contibuted alot to Linux lattely so in that case no one wins.

Again bussiness as usual. I prefer to not be blinded by anyone of those companys. All doing if for bussines. No one is better than the other.

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And you beleive in all you see in advertizement? :eek:

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ref: http://www.networkworld.com/news/201...ux-257916.html
"Much of the work Microsoft did centers around providing drivers for its own Hyper-V virtualization technology. Microsoft's Hyper-V, part of Windows Server, can run Linux as a guest OS."

Well, not necessarily for the good of Linux but they're contributing, right? :P heheh

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he he he was just thinking about nokias fate once i could hear only nokia rings and phones in movies now they need to advertize it :D

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$10 is just around the corner.

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watch out guys a storm is coming!

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I am the first

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Where were you when it reached $4.20. Sleeping with Ahonen?

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Interstingly, Lumias are second place in South America......


http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phon...-news-6623.php

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Latin America, not South America (Latin America is a much, much larger area than just just South America). That being said, that's pretty impressive. For the first time in a long time, I have to compliment them on a doing a good job SOMEWHERE--now let's see how well they manage to keep a hold onto the Latin American market.

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what about the places that give direction to the market? north america? europe? asia?
some numbers maybe?

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It will be interesting to see what happens now with MS and NOKIA as Balmer steps down. They need each other, and they need a new leader at MS. NOKIA has delivered with hardware, MS is still short on software.

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Still no one is better that the other. Facts stays it all about business. So don't come say Google support linux because they are better than anyone else. Google is not some kind of a peace and love or your best friend company. They may very well hurt linux the same way as Microsoft. Just made me wonder what Stallman thinks about Google...

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I'm not sure where you're going with this, but the point was that Microsoft's contributions to the kernel were completely useless to anyone outside of Microsoft's virtualization system. I didn't mention Google at all, but Google (among many others who were also scratching their own itch with their contributions) did contribute much code that wasn't strictly benefiting their own environments and products alone. Nobody was arguing peace and love, as far as I can tell. Were you trying to make some other point about Microsoft's contributions that I missed?

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Wow, are you starting to get the gig?

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Nokia finally found a consumer group willing to use Lumias, barbary macaques.


http://is12.snstatic.fi/img/658/1288592813200.jpg


(Korkeasaari zoo in Helsinki)

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Hey Tomi A, wp8 is still the best software Nokia phones ran.

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I disagree, along with 97% of the world. If the software is better than Symbian and MeeGo, why does WP8 only have 3% market share? The figures don't lie

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Lol...another caveman emerges into the 21st century.