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# add repository mer-tools to expand package collection
ssu ar mer-tools

# force packagekit to refresh its caches so new packages can be seen and installed
pkcon refresh

# install less command line tool for paging long text files
pkcon install less

# install basic, easy to use and advising text editor for command line
pkcon install nano

# list all packages that have jolla in their package names
pkcon search name jolla | less

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So how do we sync messages off N9

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Settings -> Developer mode -> Allow developer updates enabled ??

---> store will fail...

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Pictures in Gallery do not show up: I just get the blurred wallpaper from the current ambience. What's wrong? if I tap to show the menu, then trigger the pulley menu to edit the picture, then I can see it in the bottom part of the screen (or the right part if I'm in landscape).

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Yes, it is a known bug. You should not do that. If you have already succesfully installed Developer mode/Terminal app, you can try to fix it with command:

ssu domain sales

Restart the phone. If you don't have Terminal app, you can try to restore the factory settings.

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So I guess I'll make a post of things needing improvements:

- Adding accounts was either bugged or my palm accidentally kept hitting the side of the screen, because account adding seemed to jump to next screen randomly when I hadn't finished adding all the information. (does the touch screen calibrate itself? Seemed too sensitive at start)
- Store bugging at beginning, I'm not sure if the device reset I did fixed it...
- Android support is excellent, but upgrading applications doesn't seem supported at the moment. You need to uninstall program first and install the newer version.
- Android "support apps" don't seem to install (MX Player has separate decoder .apk's for different architectures, they don't install icons, so they don't seem to install at all)
- Android program settings/files can't be reset (My Amazon store has set it's language to Japanese, and I can't figure out how to change it...) (edit3, after enough googling, found out that app settings are in /data/data/ folder. Just removed com.amazon.venezia folder and reinstalled amazon and now I got english.)
- Quite a few Android apps/games depend on Google Play API's, so I think I'll need to add it. But that really isn't Jollas fault.
- In video playback, .mkv video files can't be seeked, they just return to beginning. AC3 audio doesn't seem to be supported. Few other old/bugged files didn't play back or played either audio/video only. Some .mp4's didn't show up in the Gallery app, until I remuxed them with mp4box back into .mp4's.
- why is the audio player named Media, when it only plays audio?
I hope gstreamer updates will fix at least some of these...

These are the few annoyances that I've noticed so far.

But otherwise I've enjoyed fiddling around with my Jolla, so don't take these too negatively :)

[edit] Oh, and the automounting of SD cards formatted with other than VFAT needs to be fixed, annoying to do it manually every time.

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You can't at present.

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Some other improvement idea to UI:

when going to twitter notifications and opening an url from a tweet, the phone opens the browser but when performing a slide down gesture (closing webbrowser) the user is redirected to home screen. This is annoying as it should go back to the twitter notifications (at the tweet i was performing the action)

Also the twitter notifications are limited to a certain amount. It only shows me something like 20 tweets... Not enough tweets to make the feature something worth using.

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Ok, got my Jolla yesterday and played a bit, I have a couple of questions that I haven't seen in this thread (but I may have missed)

1) Is it possible to give Calendars a name, I have added an Exchange account and it has synced calendar fine, but in manage calendars, I have two named Default (I'm guessing one is the Phone and one is Exchange), in N9 you could select colour and rename, but I cant find any way to set the name in Jolla.

2) Bluetooth. I paired my Jolla with my car fine, but my car cant access contacts on Jolla. With N9 my car could access all my phone contacts and received/dialled numbers, but this doesn't seem to work with my Jolla.

I'm sorry for comparing with N9 in both cases, but N9 has been my daily phone for last 2 years...

-Nic

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@nbedford
About point 2) - looks like Bluetooth Phone Book Access Profile (PBAP) is not implemented on Jolla. I can't test at the moment, but may be someone can confirm?

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I think somebody hinted that it MIGHT be possible with syncing N9 to some cloud service and then syncing Jolla from there. I don't know if anybody actually tested it. Unfortunately I don't right now remember where I saw that...

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I think CalDAV is another thing missing

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I've recently received my Jolla and I like it.

Still there are some essential features which I'm missing and why I'm also quite pissed:

- no support for WPA EAP/PEAP
this is a standard since ages and works on really all smartphones out there, it's just sad i can't connect to wifi
- the store is a mess, aren't there any categories so I can browse through available apps?
- somehow fast changing of wifi/3g/bt should be possible
at the moment you have to go to settings and guess if something is active or not (I can't tell from the icons displayed)

so long ...

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yes, if you in store, dann swipe from right to left and you will see all categories and more apps

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You can swipe left in Store to get to Categories... I didn't get it at first either.

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I haven't found any way to do it with the UI but based on what is now implemented I think it will come in the future.

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Ok. False alarm then. Still it should be indicated somehow :)

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I have same issue - no phone contacts. Car is BMW X3 E83 from 2007. Nokia N9 had same issue, however, Nokia N8 just worked fine. This is something that I expected to be solved in Jolla already...

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It is.

Notice the two circles on the left upper side. Means that there are two horizontal pages that can be accesed by swiping sideways.

Same on many (all?) native apps that can be side swiped to more pages. The one you are on is brightly lit.

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I'm bonding with my Jolla...

Any news on an ETA for a native WhatsApp?

Thanks!

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For me, the N9 works perfectly in my car (a Peugeot).

So then is it Bluetooth Phone Book Access Profile that needs to be implemented? I ask, because, when I was looking into buying the Nokia N9, I was reading that it needed SAP or rSAP - (Remote) SIM Access Profile.

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Ohno... I remember this. With N9 it was the MfE protocol that did not allow syncing contacts over bluetooth. So if you had local contacts, everything was fine, but if you synchronised your contacts with MfE (which was more or less the only way to sync contacts on N9...), nothing was shown over BT.

Here's the bug confirmed by abustany: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...54#post1125354

And here's w00t confirming that it's a WONTFIX :( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...70#post1194403

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@zamorph
As far as I know if you have "phone" built into the car itself(with all radio and other parts), so in order for this inbuilt "phone" to be able to register on cellular network and make calls you use rSAP thus sharing the SIM remotely.
When you only initiating and interacting with the calls from you car interface, but actual call is performed by the handset itself you only need PBAP to access the contacts stored in handset from car UI.

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[OT]My N9 syncs to Exchange with MfE and never had any problems showing contacts in car over BT[/OT]

I don't know if it is RSAP or PBAP, but something is missing from Jolla to make it not show contacts in my car :(

Edit: Looks like @zlatko answered about protocols

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i do not think it will come anytime soon...

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Why? There's already a library + Application for the N9. Should easy to be implemented for SF.

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At least I had the wifi/3g settings as shortcuts on the first page of settings and they show (a glimmering dot) if they are active. In the home screen you can see whether they are active or not in the cover (symbol a bit lighter = active).

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It should be possible via database export / import perhaps. After all, I think Harmattan people used quite sensible tools for implementation.

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Day 1 and down to 50% battery by midday :(

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I've yet to manage mounting a 64GB card formatted as two 32GB FAT partitions yet also. That doesn't seem to automount either. Anyone else managed this?

Really annoying that it doesn't support exFAT. I understand why but IMHO it's an essential.

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Here is my observation with regard to the hardware

the display:

-nice enough resolution allows for beautifully rendered graphics
-natural colors compared to the amoled 808 (see picture)
-pixels are peaceful to the eye, not aggressive like on the N9
-lowest brightness is really comfortable for night reading of text without ambient light.
-luckily the display is sunken in the shiny black plastick bezel, not sticking out, if you know what I mean (a design feature of the N9 and some Lumia's)

-the famous other half TOH is just a plastic cover, the logo of Jolla and "the first one" are not molded in the plastic but printed or a sticker, so better show it to the world before the Jolla gets too common and the text worn off. :)
Also the slight smell wears off quickly (in comparison to the plastics on a Pre3 for example that don't need a Made in China logo to remind you about their origin)
-TOH seems tough and flexible enough to endure a beating If you decide to give your phone a sliding drop, make sure it is on the other half side.

-if you put the phone on its head or bottom, TOH touches the surface

-if you put the phone straight on its side it is the metal frame that touches the surface. Clearing is about 0,5 to 1mm.

-on the corners TOH is not protecting the metal frame corners.

-the bezel is edged by what looks like anodised metal on 3 sides. That gives a nice cool metal quality touch to the otherwise plastic device. When you come inside from -40°C, allow it to warm up gently or you will create condensation around your device :)

-the bottom side of the bezel is plastic, starting at about 1cm down to the bottom. If you drop the phone head frontally down, I think the best bet for shock absorption is to have the bottom take the impact.
But somebody other than me needs to try this and report.

-there is some space between TOH and the metal half. Liquids from sweaty palms may find their way in and from the metal half deeper into the internals. I am not sure about this.
Once devices are being opened after a couple of months we will know more about the overal hygiene of the design.

-the USB port is tightly sunken in the metal frame but until somebody opens this we can't see how thick the ring of metal around it is. Waiting for the first one that has cracked this USB surrounding to know if it is possible :p Anyway, nice quality fitting. I don't see much play to rip the USB port from the motherboard.

-the buttons (volume and on/off ) somewhat embedded between other half and frame. This is a much better design than on the Samsung note where you constantly hold push the buttons.

Contrary to the Samsung devices the Jolla case seems "designed" while the Samsung devices give an impression of no design to save cost while impress with internal specs.

-Ergonomocs: well IMO they are not too great actually ... I love the rounded feeling of an N900 or 808, Pre 3. This square phone trend looks nice but is not too comfortable to hold and will undoubtedly later be classified amongst weird 1980's designs when new technologies arrives and telephones are no longer display centric.

-Camera + Flash — not to much presence, just two small dots on TOH are a lens and a LED.. my heart shrinks when I think about the camera. From the looks of the hardware it should be good enough for mobile paper scanning and it does a great job not forcing itself on the foreground of the overal design.

My overal conclusion is that it is a nice piece of hardware.

Here are some pictures to illustrate:

http://sdrv.ms/1fB1fNn


http://sdrv.ms/1bX2zt9

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First hours of active usage drained the battery by 30-40% for me.

Some kind of Battery Profiler app would definitely be helpful.

I'm keeping WLAN off for time being. I'm quite glad the on/off toggle is massively improved compared to Harmattan, which couldn't even pick an WIFI AP by an educated guess.

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It really becomes a reflex at some point to check weither apps have the little dots on top indicating several pages. For the Store, I saw directly the categories, because I was starting to get used with the "swipe to see more options" approach.

It's the same with alarms: I saw some people having difficulties with setting alarms up, but they only never validated/saved their alarm with a swipe from right to left. After they did, it became clear and convenient.

It should be clearly indicated in the tutorial though, in bold, flashing red and underlined. I'd prefer that over Jolla reconsidering the navigation they chose, because it is really brilliant when you are used to it. The learning curve is a bit steep, but only for a few minutes (coming from Harmattan, however). Hope it won't discourage new users, and really hope if it does, Jolla will improve the tutorial instead of changing the way of navigating.

Anyone with the same problem as me in Gallery?

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Oh yeah, the "alarm display is off by 1 hr" is real. Good thing the alarm goes off at the right time anyway.

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Thank you for your feedback and pictures.
For this particular point you raise, I am totally with you, even if I don't have the phone - it's not only bigger than the N9, but the pointy corners may be an issue. Maybe this can be easily solved by an other half with more rounded corners at the bottom?

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Turning Location/GPS off helped a lot to battery drain with my colleague's Jolla.

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Just received my Phone, was wondering to read just GSM and UMTS on the box as it is supposed to handle LTE (at a later point?!) too.

http://www.imgbox.de/show/img/6dRZWOHOnL.jpg
http://www.imgbox.de/show/img/6dRZWOHOnL.jpg


Also it seems they are out of the limited THO ;)

http://www.imgbox.de/show/img/bgHppca8oG.jpg
http://www.imgbox.de/show/img/bgHppca8oG.jpg

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It gets abit better after a couple of days. Also, turn off the gps.

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I do not want to sound "Lumiaman", however, after one day using Jolla I can not find a single thing that performs on Jolla better than on N9. Jolla Sailfish is still so beta.
I might be even using N9 for next 6 months and hopefully by that time Jolla has improved a bit.

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Sadly, I'm coming to the same conclusion.

Not a single compared to the N9 that is better or equal on Sailfish. And (as mentioned in previous posts) several crucial stuff missing: MMS, connection to company WIFI, etc.