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Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by almaviva (Post 1536851)

So I entered "dmesg | tail", inserted the 128GB card and entered "dmesg". Attached you will find the result.

By filtering for MMC1 from your file ("grep mmc1 Putty*.txt") :

Code:

[    0.580535] mmc1: no vqmmc regulator found

[    0.580557] mmc1: no vmmc regulator found

[    0.580736] mmc1: SDHCI controller on 7864900.sdhci [7864900.sdhci] using 32-bit ADMA in legacy mode

[    1.352682] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[    2.092511] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[    2.830979] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[    3.572068] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[    4.322034] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[    4.361204] mmc1: mmc_sd_init_card() failure (err = -5)

[    4.361220] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 0

[  405.423724] mmc1: slot status change detected (1 -> 0), GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH

[  488.350469] mmc1: slot status change detected (0 -> 1), GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH

[  489.329182] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  490.106198] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  490.884812] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  491.670424] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  492.486461] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  492.559390] mmc1: mmc_sd_init_card() failure (err = -5)

[  492.559448] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 1

[  493.521780] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  493.575374] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 1

[  494.511293] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  494.562771] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 1

[  495.526584] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  496.318279] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  497.152467] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  497.939055] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  498.724335] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  498.799856] mmc1: mmc_sd_init_card() failure (err = -5)

[  498.799915] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 0

[  507.305925] mmc1: slot status change detected (1 -> 0), GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH

[  642.653243] mmc1: slot status change detected (0 -> 1), GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH

[  643.584456] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  643.636029] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 1

[  644.375303] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  645.129528] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  645.928507] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  645.975068] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 1

[  646.739967] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  646.815429] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 1

[  647.724421] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  648.506350] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

[  648.555812] mmc1: error -5 whilst initialising SD card: rescan: 1

[  649.312861] mmc1: sdhci_msm_execute_tuning: no tuning point found

You Xperia detects the slot holder manipulation "slot status change detected", but then absolutely NOTHING happens.

This is obvious if you compare with my report.

At this point it is clear, the 128GB card is not seen at all by the Xperia.

Quote:

Originally Posted by almaviva (Post 1536851)

I very much appreciate the help of the community. But because I'm drowning in work this will be my last post for the next days - but I am eagerly watching the search for a solution... Thank you all!

Good luck with your work ! (And who knows, maybe by the time you're free again, some solution would have popped-up, or an update would have fixed everything).

Quote:

Originally Posted by almaviva (Post 1536845)

I definitely can rule out a mechanical problem:
{...}
2. Before flashing Sailfish on my Xperia X, I used Android (without Google) for several weeks - and my 128gb microsd card worked perfectly on Android.
3. Yesterday I flashed Sailfish to a second Xperia X for a family member. Both phones are identical Xperia X, bought brand new and sealed from Amazon Italy. Of course I tested my 128GB microsd: It worked perfectly on Android before flashing, and it wasn't recognized by Sailfish after flashing.

I was more thinking of some on/off mechanical problem, like this card being a few mu-meters thinner or thicker beyond the official specs and thus the slot holder not always making perfect contact.

But the fact that systematically on several phone, Android (which I imagine up-to-date, as required by the Sailfish X upgrade) manage to see card, and then Sailfish X after the update suddenly is unable to see it, makes me think of some firmware or kernel bug :

The Android you have right before installation (34.3.A.0.228 or .238) is the latest Android Nougat 7.1.1 with the latest kernel at that moment (3.10.108 or something along this line) and the corresponding firmware is also that recent and up-to-date.

(NOTE: on Qualcomm chip, the baseband firmware play an important role, because the modem is part of the main chipset and is in charge of several low-level functions - which might include the SD cards, and which might even include RAM. There goes all your hope of privacy out of the window.)

Sailfish X uses a slightly older version of the kernel : 3.10.84, and the various binary firmware (the thing that you must download from Sony's web site during the Sailfish X installation) come too from the slightly older Android 6.0.1 Mashmallow.

It might be that either this kernel or one of the various binary firmwares is broken and somehow fails to initialise some uSDHC cards under some weird circumstance.

GOOD NEWS: ... if that's the case, that's some good news. It simply means that you have to wait until Jolla releases an update of Sailfish X that uses the slightly newer kernel and firmware that your Xperia X had right before the upgrade.
Or even better the upcoming kernel 4.4 that Sony is preparing as part of their Android 8.0 Oreo efforts.

(Which by itself is quite awesome : unlike Jolla 1, where Jolla Oy was basically alone and doesn't have the devs ressources / the influence to get an upgraded Kit-kat ready kernel+drivers set from Qualcomm (see threads on TJC),
in this case Sony has definitely all the necessary might and developers workforce to pull a kernel 4.4 - and are currently in the process of doing it)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacman (Post 1536837)

but on standard linux distros the thing that I use to start to diagnose this kind of problem is the dmesg command. It outputs kernel messages. Try:

Code:

dmesg | tail

just before and after inserting the card, and see if there is any sign of the kernel reacting.

Some general info :
"dmesg" is the old style command that has been available since ages.
"journalctl" is the systemd-specific modern equivalent (dmesg pulls from the same database).

Quote:

Originally Posted by pasik (Post 1536831)

Camera picture quality is far away from original Sony camera app.

... because all that quality is due to advanced proprietary post-processing done in software. That is the thing that is protected by the DRM keys stored in the TA.
(Which means that, once we have a solution to run at least Android 6.0 apps, we could in theory install Sony's App, the DRM keys that you backed up and enjoy the high quality post-processing)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jenix (Post 1536933)

This is the same error that other users are reporting over at TJC: https://together.jolla.com/question/...-not-detected/

One of the answes mentions an ask ubuntu post explaining that there are known bugs with some micro-card.

The hypothesis that I mentionned above - that this could be a kernel/firmware problem, given the slight version differences between stock Xperia X and the one provided with Sailfish X - seems thus very likely :

The kernel currently in Sailfish X is probably pre-bug,
the kernel currently in latest Sony's Android is probably post-bug fixing.

Quote:

All I can recommend right now is that you get in touch with the Jolla customer service (and mention this post or the one on TJC) so they can take a look at this issue.

I second that, opening a ticket on Zendesk would be a good idea.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1536943)

... because all that quality is due to advanced proprietary post-processing done in software.

I think, that the term "post processing" is very often misunderstood here.

Post-processing is: "Using a process to transform photos from what was captured in a camera either to be closer to what our eyes saw, or to alter the image artistically."

So no post-processing technique (either free or proprietary) can bring out the details that are missing in the original (eg blurry) raw image.

The knowledge stored in the "DRM keys" is more a "know-how" how to obtain focus, detect brightness etc and could be taken as a "driver" of the mobile phone camera...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

So far very pleased with what I've got. All Android software that I need is working and it is fast.

I have come upon two bugs:
- Alien Dalvik wants cellular internet, it does not work with WiFi.
- Bluetooth pairing with my Polar V800 to use with Polar Flow (yes it works too) did not work as it wants NFC. It tells me the pin code is 00000 and it thinks we're paired when V800 not.

Hopefully these will be resolved with upcoming updates.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Ok, since yesterday evening I'm also an SailfishX user. All in all I'm satisfied:

The camera is much better than on Jolla1 and C. But still has a lot of reserves. I am using for the moment Open Camera from F-Droid and hope the camera app will get an update more soon than soon™.

Bluetooth is working for me with different devices (haven't tested everyone yet) but makes sometime strange problems like dropouts while playing music, loosing connection for no obvious reasons...

Some apps I love, make some problems:

Stellarium SF doesn't start at all (I fear there will be no further work on it. It is untouched since ages)
Marble Maps is laggy (Meanwhile there are othe nice apps, so I can live with that.
Scrolling inside the internal viewer of Zimpedia is laggy
No working compass apps at the moment, that is affecting of course also Poor maps and other Navigation apps.
no working torch app means no torch on the lockscreen
Launcher combined patch doesn't work
Apps for other new sensors are missing.

And I miss double tap to wake. I know there is a workaround, but it costs battery life, so don't want to use that at the moment.

For now that's the negative side. There are many things i really appreciate:
Typing exprerience is muuuuuuch better than on Jolla 1. I'm now able to write longer text without typos. And I get a propper vibration feedback.

Screen is better than on Jolla 1 and Jolla C (which I found anyway worse than Jolla 1)

Android engine seems to be better (more apps work)

and much more...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1536970)

no working torch app means no torch on the lockscreen

I noticed that too. The app I used previously was Lux by Yuri, hosted on OpenRepos, but it seems that he's removed his account :(

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=yur...VhAMmAUtKdXZZG

https://openrepos.net/content/yuri/lux

There is a Flashlight shortcut you can add to the Events View, but it's no where near as convenient as Yuri's solution.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1536970)

And I miss double tap to wake. I know there is a workaround, but it costs battery life, so don't want to use that at the moment.

I'm currently testing battery with tap to wake. So far battery down from 100% to 84% in 24 hours. Light use; ~1,5 hours of browsing and terminal use, plus email and calendar sync, Android support disabled.

However it hasn't been in my pocket. If it really uses up more battery, I think it would be because of proximity not working properly.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

So far I'm pretty damn happy with Sailfish X. Of course there are some small bugs here and there, but generally this is fantastic.

After looking at the black hole that was called Jolla 1's display, I love that contrast on really deep dark colors and black. :D

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manatus (Post 1536973)

I pretty happy with it too. I just can't get out of my head that Xperia XZ has a little bit better screen and faster hardware :)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1536975)

I pretty happy with it too. I just can't get out of my head that Xperia XZ has a little bit better screen and faster hardware :)

I know what you mean plus USB type C with faster charging!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1536891)

Heik
Did you select the sim in "Use SIM-card" in mobile networks? Even if there's a correct one already, I found that you should re-select it again. Then you can activate mobile internet.

At least the combination of this and

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...40#post1534540

and

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=93

enables dual SIM with mobile Internet.

Thank you all!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1536970)

[*]no working torch app means no torch on the lockscreen

Install Hammerhead Torchlight from Openrepos, and Bob's your uncle. Note that the version in Jolla Store doesn't work with Xperia X, you need the version from Openrepos.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

@ajalkane Thanks for that info. Not exactly what I want. But now I can at least turn the torch on from lock screen. Unfortunately it is not just a toggle thing, so i still have to unlock device to switch the torch off again.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1536979)

I know what you mean plus USB type C with faster charging!

I am still missing the low power status screen from the N9. Hoping there will be an official Sailfish LG V30 release (or even a Nokia 9 if HMD change their minds about the bootloader unlock). Though a new Xperia with OLED screen would also be welcome.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1536983)

I wonder if Xperia X supports the sleep gestures that worked in OnePlus X. I love being able to start the torch with a V gesture.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by caa (Post 1536984)

Hi.

You can try this: :D

Code:

[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ mcetool -E enabled

The screen is not OLED as in N9, but the pocket-effect works.

Regards.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Did some testing with F5122:

2 SIMs and sd card in tray
-1st SIM and sdcard working
2 SIMs and sdcard in tray, but sdcard contacts covered by tape (carefully inserted to phone)
-both SIMs work, sdcard not work :-( :-)

Any comments?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1536983)

Hammerhead Flaslight's sources are available and it'd be trivial to modify it to be just a simple toggle.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Anyone else see this:

When I let my Xperia battery die and tried to use the Sony charger that came with the phone. It constantly reboots.

When I plugged into a normal USB 2.0 (2.1 amp) it started charging and once the OS was properly booted, I was able to use the Sony charger.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by one_with_linux (Post 1536994)

nope. but one thing is sure. never let a n9 or sailfish go out of juice completely. it can give issues with loading/charging or reboot loops.

have seen issues like this on n9 and jPhone 1.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by Heik (Post 1536990)

Looks like a good test, sorry to hear it didn't work.

Has this been confirmed to work in android on the X dual?

Have you looked in dmesg for any messages about the second sim without the tape?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heik (Post 1536990)

Any comments?

1. try with less tape width, maybe add two-sided tape under
2. change your nickname to "Hack"
3. submit your hack on Hackaday.com :D

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by suicidal_orange (Post 1536996)

Looks like a good test, sorry to hear it didn't work.

Has this been confirmed to work in android on the X dual?

Have you looked in dmesg for any messages about the second sim without the tape?

I am pretty sure that I tested it and it worked when I got my F5122 (had one stripped SIM card prepared for that) long ago. But getting old, so memory is not so reliable anymore.

Have to look messages, if I can find any.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 1536998)

1. try with less tape width, maybe add two-sided tape under
2. change your nickname to "Hack"
3. submit your hack on Hackaday.com :D

The only difference was the tape on the sdcard connectors. So, 2nd SIM card is "well" installed, having proper contact.

This hack for Xperia is well known, nickname should be "Copy"

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1536992)

Hammerhead Flaslight's sources are available and it'd be trivial to modify it to be just a simple toggle.

There's no need for a third party flashlight app or working with sources of other stuff. There's a flashlight toggle built into Sailfish X:

Attachment 39601

Attachment 39602

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Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1536943)

GOOD NEWS: ... if that's the case, that's some good news. It simply means that you have to wait until Jolla releases an update of Sailfish X that uses the slightly newer kernel and firmware that your Xperia X had right before the upgrade.
Or even better the upcoming kernel 4.4 that Sony is preparing as part of their Android 8.0 Oreo efforts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jenix (Post 1536933)

All I can recommend right now is that you get in touch with the Jolla customer service (and mention this post or the one on TJC) so they can take a look at this issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1536947)

I second that, opening a ticket on Zendesk would be a good idea.

Thank you all for your thorough answers!

Short update: I opened a ticket, mentioned all the relevant posts in this forum and I got a rather quick "solution":
"Sorry for this limitation. It is not a bug but an unimplemented feature."
They refered me to this info:
https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a...are-supported-

Let's wait some time. If this does not help, perhaps it will be possible to identify some working big microsd cards along this information:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jenix (Post 1536933)

specific type of cards ("SDR104, HS200 and HS400 cards and if clock frequency is greater than 100MHz in these modes.")

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by suicidal_orange (Post 1536996)

Looks like a good test, sorry to hear it didn't work.

Has this been confirmed to work in android on the X dual?

Have you looked in dmesg for any messages about the second sim without the tape?

I saved dmesg messages in both without tape and with tape. Compared with notepad++. There are differences :-) but i don't understand much about the messages.
I can share them if it helps anyone (someone told there is no "critical personal information" in the messages. Too many lines to check it.)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1537003)

There's no need for a third party flashlight app or working with sources of other stuff. There's a flashlight toggle built into Sailfish X:

I beg to differ.

Compare:

Stumbling in darkness, opening lock screen, swiping left to reach events screen. Swipe down to reach the "shortcuts". Trying to hit with trembling finger the icon to activate flashlight.

To:

Stumbling in darkness, opening lock screen, pull down to reveal the application shortcuts and releasing finger on Torchlight application.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Why don't you add Hammerhead Torch to the lockscreen pulley menu? Open Lockscreen, pull down to activate Torch and the light is on.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I wrote Hammerhead Torch. I'm happy to talk to anyone who wants to adapt it for some other purpose.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mautz (Post 1537008)

Why don't you add Hammerhead Torch to the lockscreen pulley menu? Open Lockscreen, pull down to activate Torch and the light is on.

That's just what I said I've done, in comparison of navigating to events view shortcuts?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

5 GHz wireless network connection doesn't seem to work. Other devices on teh network can communicate on the 5 GHz frequencies, and yet the Xperia X doesn't seem to want to.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1536943)

Some general info :
"dmesg" is the old style command that has been available since ages.
"journalctl" is the systemd-specific modern equivalent (dmesg pulls from the same database).

Arrgh, I am so sorry I have to nitpick here because all of your advice was otherwice correct, but journalctl is not a more modern equivalent of dmesg!

Only some OS'es have the bloody abomination that is systemd, of which journalctl is part of.
On the other hand our lovely lady dmesg exists everywhere!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by oenone (Post 1537018)

5 GHz wireless network connection doesn't seem to work. Other devices on teh network can communicate on the 5 GHz frequencies, and yet the Xperia X doesn't seem to want to.

I had no problems connecting my Sony Xperia X running SailfishOS to a 5 GHz access point today.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by Heik (Post 1537005)

I wouldn't know what most of the messages mean either but it would be interesting to see the differences and failures should stick out. Might need some of the 'same' bits for context though so probably best you share the whole files.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1537020)

I had no problems connecting my Sony Xperia X running SailfishOS to a 5 GHz access point today.

Hmm, ok, it works on 5 GHz now that the 2.4 Ghz stream has been disabled. It prefers 2.4 GHz for some reason though. One cannot help but wonder if there is a configuration file that sets preferences for what bands to use.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I got both 2.4 and 5 GHz on my home router, and both of them are working flawessly.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1537019)

Apart from gentoo there are no major distributions not using systemd (which is actually a very good idea, but with some flaws and "narzistic" people as developers)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by Heik (Post 1536990)

I may miss something here, but how is the phone supposed to recognize the sdcard when the contacts are covered by tape (and therefore the phone can't make a physical connection to the card)?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jenix (Post 1537043)

I may miss something here, but how is the phone supposed to recognize the sdcard when the contacts are covered by tape (and therefore the phone can't make a physical connection to the card)?

I thought the same at first then worked out that the test proves it's not the SD causing the sim not to make contact with the pins causing the sim not register, so it must be something in software :)