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Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?

The problem with your link is that the opinion of the writer includes N900, the quote from Nokia says Maemo, so it does not really mean what you want it to mean.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?

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Originally Posted by casper27 (Post 501441)

Is that not what our elected council members are for????
Come on guys a bit more noise from the chosen few might make a difference!!

Were they elected by the community or by Nokia employees?? :D

Just kidding, didn't even know that there were a council... A suggestion to Nokia would be to indicate a PR employee to talk directly with these members, who could replicate official position to this forum, thus avoiding the increasing rumors and complains.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?

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Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 501505)

Don't know where misinformation like this is coming from.

http://noknok.tv/2010/01/22/free-ovi...nd-nokia-n900/

What was actually said (and quoted there) is that support for Maemo will be coming. Not necessarily Maemo 5 support though, and the feature requests have been changed to target Harmattan, not Fremantle. Whether it'll get backported afterwards or not is another question though.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?

Below my personal opinion, as a community member:

First the nature of Open Source communities is peaceful, we don't make rebellions, if we have problems we try to fix them, people with those intentions are not welcome at least from my side.

I don't know who said that the device doesn't have support anymore, but is public that Nokia is working in PR 1.2, so that assumption is false.
As for the maemo6 in the N900, I perfectly understand the situation, but you guys want that Nokia make a promise based in a unfinished product ? Well if I were a manager I would not do that, during the development phase a lot of things can change, even some blocker that prevents maemo6 in the N900 can appear, then Nokia will be lying to the community.

I think Nokia already knows that we want maemo6 in the n900, so we should move along and stop the futurology and try to improve what we've now: Maemo5.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?

Why do you collaborate with Nokia PR?
Why should we care that Nokia work on 1.2 which is sure to include a new theme, when practically every bug in bugzilla is WONTFIX in N900, a two months old device?

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?

this is the same for everything: programmed obsolescence. funny how the n900 which is probably the device in which there is less of it gets the more complaints. i think because they didnt programmed well and didnt communicate enough. but i guess their main problem is that we are a little bit smarter than the average iphone owners. there's also why our market is so little compared to that. sadly there's no so much they can do to fix this bug (fixed in harmattan??)

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?

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Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 501505)

Don't know where misinformation like this is coming from.

http://noknok.tv/2010/01/22/free-ovi...nd-nokia-n900/

Seriously this thread is like watching a bunch of emo kids at a death cab for cutie concert. Yes the N900 will become outdated, Yes the new Maemo 6 device will be better, Yes even the Mona Lisa is falling apart....but has your N900 lost any sort of functionality in the meantime? Do you really think your phone will be the rage 12 months+ past purchase? Do you think there will zero compatibility between Maemo 6 and Maemo 5, all this lament seems to come from the fact that yes, what was once new, will one day become old. Stop being so damn emo and enjoy the best mobile device on the market right now and for the immediate future(ie 3-6 months). If the new one comes out and has more bells and whistles that you really desparately need, go get it. I came from a N82 and I was thinking for a cellphone I really don't need much more, I love the camera, and I can function with the mobile web fine if need be. However I did own a N810 and loved it, and was interested to get my hands on the N900 and I'm glad I did, the contacts integration alone won me over.

FFS stop feeling like a petulant 14 yr old boy with a new stepmom that gets more of your dad's attention, and be thankful for the greatness in your hands right now.

It is obvious that you did not get my point.

Here again especially for you:

A 2 month old device has bugs. They need to be fixed. These bugs are marked as "Maemo 6". There is no indication if / when the 2 month old device will be able to run Maemo 6.

Conclusion: We do not know if / when the acknowledged bug will be fixed for the N900 or not. This is unacceptable.

Regarding your NokNok link: It was stated numerous times on this site that there is neither confirmation nor denial that turn by turn navigation will run on the N900. All it states that Nokia plans to make it run on Maemo, But which Mameo version? And will N900 be able to run it if it is not Maemo 5?

So why all this fuzz? Only because Nokia - so far- does not communicate. And Nokia could remedy this easily. Just communicate. This was the point of my post.

And please refrain from remarks like "petulant 14 yo". It just shows how immature you are.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?

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Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 501505)

Do you really think your phone will be the rage 12 months+ past purchase? Do you think there will zero compatibility between Maemo 6 and Maemo 5, all this lament seems to come from the fact that yes, what was once new, will one day become old. Stop being so damn emo and enjoy the best mobile device on the market right now and for the immediate future(ie 3-6 months).

You're being very forgiving here. The M6 device is reportedly coming 2H2010?

Now, go through this list:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Abugs.maemo.org+harmattan

And you will see several times:

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Setting
target to Harmattan only to indicate that, it considered, this is the earliest
release where we could see it implemented.

Quote:

Too late for Fremantle, but we're discussing this item in regards to Harmattan.

(Too late for Fremantle?! It's been out 2 months! You can't make *any changes at all* after the phone is released? Really?)

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The aim is to implemented this feature in Harmattan.
....
But no plans to change the current settings in Fremantle. There is an
opportunity for a community plugin if this is technically possible.

Etc.

Almost everything you look in there says "Version: 5.0" which is what the bug was opened against... and then "Target Milestone: Harmattan".

There's an awful lot of "enhancement" requests there that the N900 is perfectly capable of, being put off to "harmattan" - that provides absolutely no benefit to the N900 users at all. Plus, it's being pushed out, 2 months after the device hits the market!

How can that not be a *little* annoying?

As I've said before.. it's not entirely that Harmattan is not coming to the N900 that is the complaint.. it's combination of Fremantle not getting any additional features (or even some bugs fixed), and the N900 not getting the OS that *is* getting these features and bugs fixed. THAT's the problem.

If this were 6-12 months after the device was released, and THEN they started pushing crap off to the next version.. that's not so bad. 2 months? Really?

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?

Also, I don't understand the craze about Maemo 6. How do you know it doesn't suck? It may even have LESS features than Maemo 5! (in fact if the past trends were any indicator it WILL have less features -- and some of the WONTFIXes are because of components no longer developed).

I'd personally be more angry about every non OSS component since that means bugs I cannot fix.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?

Indeed. I don't want M6 on my N900 so much as i don't want to see key things marked "Fixed in Harmattan". The thing is, if we know we will get M6 for N900, it will reduce the sting of that a bit.